What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?

[Brakelite]

I have already

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone [a]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God- written personally by God who claimed it in His own words as His commandments Exo20:6

Paul taught everything has to be according to Christ. Find one thus saith the LORD where Christ said we do not need to keep the 4th commandment? Again why Paul never rebelled against God's commandments including the Sabbath and kept it in a holy manner every Sabbath decades and decades after the Cross Acts 13:44 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 17:2 Acts 18:4 just a Christ said Isa 56:6-7 Mat24:20 and will continue for God's saints Isa66:23 - do you really think the God of love would force someone for all eternity to come before Him every Sabbath for worship if they are so opposed to it now? I do not think so, its why I believe His judgement is one of love. Not everyone will be happy in heaven without sin John3:19-21

Its weird that one would require Paul to disprove God's own Testimony, when it should be the other way around, just as Paul taught, everything according to Christ. The servant is not greater than the master. John13:16

So now your turn, where is a thus saith the LORD that we do not need to keep the 4th commandment? Every thus saith the LORD God asks us to keep the Sabbath and not profane it, over and over again. If God removed His 4th commandment that He came down from heaven to personally wrote our and said Remember because He knew everyone would try to forget, we would have at least one verse saying so.

Here is an excellent succinct response as to why obedience to God's commandments are essential in order to gain eternal life..

I'll answer that when you are respectful enough to answer my first request to you.
List the verses where Paul teaches KEEP SABBATH as a justification requirement today

... but you are asking the wrong question. Classic straw man and red herring. As i said in another post, our obedience does not justify, only the blood of Christ does that. But that does not offer you any hope whatsoever in continuing to disobey God.
“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. ”
Romans 6:15 KJV

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[PeterAndroz]

Here is an excellent succinct response as to why obedience to God's commandments are essential in order to gain eternal life..

... but you are asking the wrong question. Classic straw man and red herring. As i said in another post, our obedience does not justify, only the blood of Christ does that. But that does not offer you any hope whatsoever in continuing to disobey God.
“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. ”
Romans 6:15 KJV

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You alleged :-
""making claims as you do here, that those who observe the Sabbath are doing so in order to be saved.""
List my post where I made that claim

 

[PeterAndroz]

Here is an excellent succinct response as to why obedience to God's commandments are essential in order to gain eternal life..

... but you are asking the wrong question. Classic straw man and red herring. As i said in another post, our obedience does not justify, only the blood of Christ does that. But that does not offer you any hope whatsoever in continuing to disobey God.
“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. ”
Romans 6:15 KJV

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you said -- why obedience to God's commandments are essential in order to gain eternal life..
So gaining eternal life is a combination of faith AND performance ?
Let's see what Paul teaches :-
The Gospel :-
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

[ProDeo]

If a person chooses to honor God on Saturday, or Sunday, or Sure-Happy-It's-Tuesday for that matter, is it a sin?

Is it anybody else's business?

Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. - Romans 14:4-5

True, but as long it is not mandatory, which I think is the heart of this discussion.

 

[ProDeo]

Freedom in Christ to worship other gods and vain Gods name and steal from our neighbor or break the least of these commandments the opposite of what Jesus taught Mat5:19-30.

Please don't do this, the red, it's ugly.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound?
Rom 6:15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!

Etc.

You know all that.

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Gal 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
Gal 5:2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.
Gal 5:3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.
Gal 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

Picking a day of the week and live it like the OT Sabbath is not wrong, it is wrong when you call it mandatory. If you do that you are obliged to keep the whole law as verse 3 states.

Gal 5:7 You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
Gal 5:8 This persuasion is not from him who calls you.
Gal 5:9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

Gal 5:13 For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
Gal 5:14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

 

[ProDeo]

• Acts 20:7: "On the first day of the week [Sunday] we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight."
• 1 Corinthians 16:2: "On the first day of every week [Sunday], each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made."
• Revelations 1:10: "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day [Sunday], and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet."
• Jesus resurrected on a Sunday (the Lord's day).
• Pentecost happened on a Sunday.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Please don't do this, the red, it's ugly.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound?
Rom 6:15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!

Etc.

You know all that.

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Gal 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
Gal 5:2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.
Gal 5:3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.
Gal 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

Picking a day of the week and live it like the OT Sabbath is not wrong, it is wrong when you call it mandatory. If you do that you are obliged to keep the whole law as verse 3 states.

Gal 5:7 You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
Gal 5:8 This persuasion is not from him who calls you.
Gal 5:9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

Gal 5:13 For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
Gal 5:14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Hey PD >>>“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
If that's a Heaven entry requirement do you pass the test ?
Me ? No.

 

[Lambano]

True, but as long it is not mandatory, which I think is the heart of this discussion.

Is it? Take a look at post #1.

Hi,
I really want to keep the Sabbath holy, but I'm not sure what ''resting'' really means?

The young lady chooses to keep Sabbath and asked for advice on how best to do that. And from there the discussion degenerated into a fight between those who choose to keep Sabbath and those who choose not to feeling the need to defend their own choices. And it was totally unnecessary.

 

[Lambano]

 

[LawofLove]

Please don't do this, the red, it's ugly.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound?
Rom 6:15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!

You're using your own definition of sin and not God's God never separated the 4th commandment from the first commandment or second or 9th etc. They came in a unit of Ten Deut4:13 , not nine that God divinely placed together and wrote Himself Exo31:18 All Ten Commandments are under His mercy seat and what His blood atones for. Removing one of God's commandments doesn't remove the penalty Pro28:13 Rom6:23 Mat7:23 it removes His mercy and what He covers why God said not a jot or tittle can pass, and says who He shows mercy to right in the Ten Commandments

“but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments” — Exodus 20:6 (NKJV)

Etc.

You know all that.

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Gal 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
Gal 5:2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.
Gal 5:3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.
Gal 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

Picking a day of the week and live it like the OT Sabbath is not wrong, it is wrong when you call it mandatory. If you do that you are obliged to keep the whole law as verse 3 states.

Gal 5:7 You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
Gal 5:8 This persuasion is not from him who calls you.
Gal 5:9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

Gal 5:13 For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
Gal 5:14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

You're using the Sabbath and isolating this one commandment from the other nine commandments and claiming it as a "yoke of bondage" and quoting Galatians to support this. Okay, do me a favor please find one verse in all of Galatians that even mentions the Sabbath. I would consider not adding what's not there.


Its sad people isolate this one commandment , where God set aside sanctified time to spend with His children to bless us and that's the one commandment people relate as "yoke of bondage" I am sure heaven will not be for them and the God of love would never want anyone to live for eternity coming before the LORD to worship Him every Sabbath Isa66:23 if they feel that's bondage, its why I believe His judgement is one of love because not everyone will be happy living in a world without sin John3:19-21. Sin is the bondage, what Jesus came to set us free from, sin is breaking the law of God. Sadly the devil has flipped this.

 

[LawofLove]

• Revelations 1:10: "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day [Sunday], and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet."

Can you please show me where in the Bible does it say the first day here or Sunday?

The name Sunday came from Pegan roots- God never named any other day except the Sabbath and called it the Sabbath of the LORD Exo20:10 My holy day, the holy day of the LORD, thus saith the LORD Isa58:13 there is no other, sadly just a counterfeit as we were told Dan7:25

The other verses you quoted says nothing about "every first day" some newer translations may have added it, but its not in the original nor do they say they changed one of God's commandments that He promised He would not. The apostles did things every day of the week, it doesn't mean it deletes God's commandments. We can go through each verse if you want to look at the context. I would be happy to do this.

 

[LawofLove]

When that happens we become our own authority, in other words, god.

God said this Himself....

“because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols” — Ezekiel 20:16 (NKJV)

 

[LoveYeshua]

I agree that Israelis are commanded to observe the Sabbath. It was never proposed to the church nor Gentiles as non -prosylytes to Judaism.

The Sabbath is a covenant between God and Israel as Gods Word explicitly declares.

Hello Ronald, please consider the following verses (ASV);

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Lev 25:6 And the sabbath of the land shall be for food for you; for thee, and for thy servant and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant and for thy stranger, who sojourn with thee.

Deu 5:14 but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy man-servant and thy maid-servant may rest as well as thou.

stranger=gentile, we see it applies also to gentiles as God commanded, because the 7 day sabbath is part of God's covenant with HIS people(s) all who want to folllow him and Love him.

and again;

Isa 56:6 Also the foreigners that join themselves to Jehovah, to minister unto him, and to love the name of Jehovah, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from profaning it, and holdeth fast my covenant.

 

[LoveYeshua]

So you have3 a problem with the Apostle whop was instructed by Jesus to create the church in the Gentile world then.

Teh apostle Paul would call you a Judiazer.

Ronald, the covenant ( ten commandments) and the rest of the laws given by Moses are different, Paul like christ followed the covenant ( the ten Commandments ) here is what paul said;

Romans 7:12
“Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good.”

when Paul spoke about and sabbath (s) he was speaking of the numerous sabbaths in the law of Moses and and all the defunct Levitical laws, Never the Covenant, the ten Commandments.

would you call Jesus a judaizer also? when he said "If you love me, keep my commandments"

we know from the N.T that Jesus did sent his disciples to preach ALL he did and said to all nations ( Gentiles) Jesus spoke at length of the ten commandments and magnified them during his ministry, the the disciples and Paul did as Jesus asked them to do.

Blessings.

 

[amigo de christo]

In all the years I've observed the sabbath, I have never heard anyone claim Sabbath observance, or obedience to any of God's laws, contributes to justification. However, in defence of NOT observing the Sabbath I constantly hear many making claims as you do here, that those who observe the Sabbath are doing so in order to be saved. Sorry, but that's like running around with a fire extinguisher to stop a flood.

FYI, I gave Jesus my heart, then He showed me a specific day of the week. Disobedience at that point wasn't an option.

Doesn't answer the question. I know what the transgression was... disloyalty and disobedience through desecration of the sabbath and idolatry. But what law does that transgress? What's the logic behind adding that law (to what) after the transgression has already made the law void through disobedience? I'm asking the questions because I want to understand your reasoning behind quoting the passage... "the law was added because of transgressions..." How is that a defence in favour of setting aside one of God's laws?

You said HE showed you a specific day of the week . It was ellen who said so .
And how do i know she messed things up . Look at what she did to hebrews where paul
was speaking of Entering into faith in Christ .
Of course i see others who try and make the cliam that sabbath is no longer observed
ALSO twisting scrips and even saying things Like JESUS broke sabbath . WHICH HE did not do either .
The problem is folks are aruging over meats drinks and days . SOMETHING that ought not to have been done .
LET each be fully persauded in his or her own mind .
This strife over meats drinks and days is waste of time .
Most folks here , braklite , are already under the influence of actual sin itself and that which is
of ecumenical working .
But folks wanna argue over meats drinks and days .
As if that will be their downfall and end . NOPE . But that ecumenical intefaith finding common ground
WILL BE THE END OF ALL who enter into covenant with it .
And brakelite MANY are already being influenced by it , and many have even BOUGHT the lie , though not all
have . GOT A WHORE to expose brakelite . As far as meats d rinks and days
DO as each is persauded to do and let none be a stumbling block to his weaker brother either .
TIME to put the meats drinks and days DOWN . TIME to expose actual sin .

 

[amigo de christo]

• Acts 20:7: "On the first day of the week [Sunday] we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight."
• 1 Corinthians 16:2: "On the first day of every week [Sunday], each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made."
• Revelations 1:10: "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day [Sunday], and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet."
• Jesus resurrected on a Sunday (the Lord's day).
• Pentecost happened on a Sunday.

first two were said .
BUT THE LORDS DAY was not speaking of sunday or saturday . THAT was speaking of THE DAY HE COMETH TO JUDGE .
Come now pro deo lets keep it t rue my friend .
Saturday nor sunday is NECESSARY OBSERVANCE DAY . they are but days of the week by which one may hold one day above another
and another may hold them all alike . SO LONG as THE LORD is being honored , THAT BE THE KEY .
Not the day of the week being honored , BUT THE LORD HISMELF , HIS teachings b eing observed .
OH and speaking of His teaching ,
WHY do i see folks joining hands and finding COMMON ground with darkness .
I aint at all concerned on what day one has church ,
I AM , however concerend with SIns and that which is of anti christ being allowed into said churches .
Ecumeincalism is deadly . The sooner you accept this the better off you will be.
IT can be a hard prick indeed my friend , but its time we flee ecuminecalism fast .

 

[amigo de christo]

Is it? Take a look at post #1.



The young lady chooses to keep Sabbath and asked for advice on how best to do that. And from there the discussion degenerated into a fight between those who choose to keep Sabbath and those who choose not to feeling the need to defend their own choices. And it was totally unnecessary.

And look at what ensued .
I say let each simply be persuaded in his or in her own mind concerning such things as meats drinks days .
but an adventist will move quickly to ring alarm bells on YE MUST DO
just like others are fast to ring alarm bells on YOU NEED NOT DO .
I SAY for us all , LETS simply leave this . THERE are real sins and a real harlot that must be exposed .
And beleive me when i say many are already , to some degree , under her influence
of her one world religoin known as INCLUSIVISM . And quite a few have already
bought the lie , and i fear many more will IF they continue under her influence .
The one world religoin WILL NOT BE ISLAM , WILL NOT be CHRISTIANTY , hinduism
buddism , or any other religoin ,
IT WILL BE THEM ALL MERGED as ONE under what THEIR INCLUSIVE god of ANTI CHRIST has told them is GOD and is LOVE .
SO weep on that for a while lambando. That is what their prescious seeker friendly did to them churches .
Its judge not correct not allowed leaven to rise and to rise , TILL NOW THE LIE Itself has come to merge them all as ONE .
WEEP lambando , I say weep for them all and for any within those chambers .
THEN after a good long cry , GET UP and start doing all to get them away from anything ecumenical inclusive
interreligous dialgoue and FAST .

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Here is an excellent succinct response as to why obedience to God's commandments are essential in order to gain eternal life..

... but you are asking the wrong question. Classic straw man and red herring. As i said in another post, our obedience does not justify, only the blood of Christ does that. But that does not offer you any hope whatsoever in continuing to disobey God.
“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. ”
Romans 6:15 KJV

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Good Day to you all, This Is correct.

Love, Walter

 

[ProDeo]

Can you please show me where in the Bible does it say the first day here or Sunday?

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet

Compatible with the teachings of the early church.

Quotes from Early Church Fathers: the Sabbath, Lord's Day, and Worship - Apostles Creed

Quotes from Early Church Fathers: the Sabbath, Lord's Day, and Worship — A Scripture-based study and explanation.

apostles-creed.org

Should be clear enough.

 

[ProDeo]

Is it? Take a look at post #1.

The young lady chooses to keep Sabbath and asked for advice on how best to do that. And from there the discussion degenerated into a fight between those who choose to keep Sabbath and those who choose not to feeling the need to defend their own choices. And it was totally unnecessary.

Rephrasing - True, but as long it is not mandatory, which I think is became the heart of this discussion.

Now that the thread is derailed truth should be spoken. It's not a small issue.