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Hi,
I really want to keep the Sabbath holy, but I'm not sure what ''resting'' really means?
I mean, if I have one day of rest from everything, does that mean:
I do not cook anything.
You stay home and don't go out and drive?
You don't drive to church on Sunday?
You don't do grocery shopping?
You don't talk on the phone with anyone?
Obviously, you don't clean your house on that day.
What does resting on a particular 7th day of the week (Sabbath) really look like?
Thank you for the clarity.
Please realize what you are doing, putting the words of man over the the written and spoken word of God. Man does not correct God, its the other way around.![]()
Quotes from Early Church Fathers: the Sabbath, Lord's Day, and Worship - Apostles Creed
Quotes from Early Church Fathers: the Sabbath, Lord's Day, and Worship — A Scripture-based study and explanation.apostles-creed.org
Meaning, the church for 1900 years had it wrong ?
Realize what you are claiming.
““Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it
Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” — Matthew 7:13–14 (NKJV)
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” — Revelation 12:17 (KJV)
Please realize what you are doing, putting the words of man over the the written and spoken word of God. Man does not correct God, its the other way around.
Sorry but the commaqndments of the old are different from the commands of the new.What law is Paul quoting from in Galatians. He states it, but sadly you applied it to the Testimony of God, the law God in His own words asked us to keep if we love Him. Exo 20:6 John14:15 1John5:3 the law Paul said keeping them is what matters 1Cor7:19
There is no Scripture in the entire Bible that says the commandments of God were only for Israel and everyone else can profane the law of God. Where does it say Gentiles can worship other gods, or steal and cheat or break the least of these commandments? Jesus plainly said they are for "whoever" Mat5:19 Can you produce one verse that says the commandments of God are only for Israel?
This is who God said they are for:
Exo20:6 “but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments” — Exodus 20:6 (NKJV)
Rev 14:12 “Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus” — Revelation 14:12 (NKJV)
Yes I consider all those verses. what you fail to consider is the fact that it is talking to a specific ethnos of people- the Jews!Hello Ronald, please consider the following verses (ASV);
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Lev 25:6 And the sabbath of the land shall be for food for you; for thee, and for thy servant and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant and for thy stranger, who sojourn with thee.
Deu 5:14 but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy man-servant and thy maid-servant may rest as well as thou.
stranger=gentile, we see it applies also to gentiles as God commanded, because the 7 day sabbath is part of God's covenant with HIS people(s) all who want to folllow him and Love him.
and again;
Isa 56:6 Also the foreigners that join themselves to Jehovah, to minister unto him, and to love the name of Jehovah, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from profaning it, and holdeth fast my covenant.
WEll the Ten is part of teh Old Covenant. Not part of the New. And the Old Covenant was made with Israel and not the Church.Ronald, the covenant ( ten commandments) and the rest of the laws given by Moses are different, Paul like christ followed the covenant ( the ten Commandments ) here is what paul said;
Romans 7:12
“Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good.”
when Paul spoke about and sabbath (s) he was speaking of the numerous sabbaths in the law of Moses and and all the defunct Levitical laws, Never the Covenant, the ten Commandments.
would you call Jesus a judaizer also? when he said "If you love me, keep my commandments"
we know from the N.T that Jesus did sent his disciples to preach ALL he did and said to all nations ( Gentiles) Jesus spoke at length of the ten commandments and magnified them during his ministry, the the disciples and Paul did as Jesus asked them to do.
Blessings.
In all the years I've observed the sabbath, I have never heard anyone claim Sabbath observance, or obedience to any of God's laws, contributes to justification. However, in defence of NOT observing the Sabbath I constantly hear many making claims as you do here, that those who observe the Sabbath are doing so in order to be saved. Sorry, but that's like running around with a fire extinguisher to stop a flood.
Replace the 4th commandment with the 1st commandment or 2nd commandment. Can someone be saved by bowing to idols and not worshipping the God of Creation without repenting and turning from their sin?That baffles me, brakelite. Let me explain. It's my understanding that SDA teaching is- I quote -
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Seventh-day Adventists Believe (Review and Herald, 1989), 167.
At the end of time, a conflict will arise between those who worship the beast and his image and those who are the true followers of God. What sets these two groups apart is that one group, the true loyal remnant, keeps Saturday as a holy day, and the other group, the fallen and apostate group, worships on Sunday
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I've read many similar SDA quotes as well. t
So, according to SDA's, fallen apostates go to church on Sundays at the time of the end is = to taking the mark of the beast.
So while you say it has nothing to do with justification- it just has everything to do with salvation....?!
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Mandatory saturday sabbath keeping is NOT one of HIS CommandmentsReplace the 4th commandment with the 1st commandment or 2nd commandment. Can someone be saved by bowing to idols and not worshipping the God of Creation without repenting and turning from their sin?
Many misunderstand justification. It means anyone can come to Christ in any condition just as they are and will be justified before the LORD. Sadly, what most people do is stay in this condition, never moving on to solid food because they like their sins John3:19-21 more than their wiliness to forsake them Pro28:13 and accept God's sanctification- cleansing us of all sin and unrighteousness. 1 John1:9 Rom6:1-4
We are not saved by keeping God's laws, keeping God's laws is evidence of our faith, that's how we are saved by faith through grace Rom3:31 Rev14:12
Rebelling against the law of God Rom8:7-8 Heb3:7-19 is staying in sin and not accepting Christ's salvation from sin Mat1:21 its what separated man from God and why the Israelites lost their inheritance. I know its comforting to believe that God loves us more than everyone else He destroyed for the same reason, but its a deception. Rom2:11 Mat7:21-23 He gives us everything we need to overcome, the bold truth is people do not want to. They want to serve the LORD on their terms, not God's Isa56:6 they want all of His blessings on their terms not God's Isa56:2 this is the same story in the Bible just repeating itself.
Why one of the very last verses in the Bible says this:
“Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city” — Revelation 22:14 (NKJV)
If we truly love Jesus why would we not want to do what He asks of us? John14:15 Exo20:6 Mat4:4 Mat5:19 Mat15:3-14 etc etc.
Not according to Jesus. Mat19:17-19 Mat5:17-30 Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 or the apostles Rom7:7 Luke23:56 Rom2:21-23 1Cor7:19 Rev 11:19 Rev 14:12 Rev22:14-15 Eph6:2Sorry but the commaqndments of the old are different from the commands of the new.
And yes the Mosaic Law (all 613) were for the nation of Israel, not for the whole world. There is not one verse that says the Mosaic Law is for the church! but there are verses that say we are no longer under the Mosaic Law. And that includes the 10 in stone.
“So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone” — Deuteronomy 4:13 (NKJV)
““These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me” — Deuteronomy 5:22 (NKJV)
Mat 15:3-14 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
Wow, so God personally wrote out the Ten Commandments - God's own Testimony Exo31:18 and claimed them collectively in a unit of Ten Deut4:13 as My (GOD) commandments Exo20:6 but you are going to tell God, the God we are to worship Rev14:12 who made heaven and earth Exo20:11 that its not one of His commandments? The ones under His mercy seat Exo25:21 in heaven Heb8:1-5 Heb9:22-23 Rev11:19Mandatory saturday sabbath keeping is NOT on of HIS Commandments
thus Saith the LORD Jesus Christ - "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
The only OT commandments that carry over into the NEW Testament are the ones Spoken by Christ and the Holy Spirit
CHRIST never commanded us for saturday to be required for Sabbath REST = neither did the HOLY SPIRIT
Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
the LORD never included the 4th except as it pertains to HIM = for HE is ALL 10 CommandmentsNot according to Jesus. Mat19:17-19 Mat5:17-30 Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 or the apostles Rom7:7 Luke23:56 Rom2:21-23 1Cor7:19 Rev 11:19 Rev 14:12 Rev22:14-15 Eph6:2
613 is an unbiblical number- this is the number God gave:
Not 613, not 9 but Ten.
And after God spoke them and wrote them He added no more
Its the only Law that is under God's mercy seat that His blood atones for and is in heaven Rev11:19. Its the Testimony of God Exo31:18 and Jesus who is God said when we lay aside the commandment of God for man-made commandments - He could not condemn this practice more.
Your words, not God's. If you want to add or take from God's commandments, His written Testimony Exo31:18 when He said not to because He would not alter His words Deut4:13 Pro30:5-6 Ecc3:14 Psa89:34 Rev22:18 Mat5:18-19 that can be your free will.the LORD never included the 4th except as it pertains to HIM = for HE is ALL 10 Commandments
FYI - you serve SDA religion = the god of saturday
“Behold, I have received a command to bless; He has blessed, and I cannot reverse it” — Numbers 23:20 (NKJV)
“For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it” — Exodus 20:11 (NKJV)
“Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath, not profaning it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil.”” — Isaiah 56:2 (ESV)
“For those blessed by Him shall inherit the earth, But those cursed by Him shall be cut off” — Psalms 37:22 (NKJV)
Every scripture you post from the NEW Testament/Covenant does NOT include saturday sabbathWow, so God personally wrote out the Ten Commandments - God's own Testimony Exo31:18 and claimed them collectively in a unit of Ten Deut4:13 as My (GOD) commandments Exo20:6 but you are going to tell GOD that its not one of His commandments? The ones under His mercy seat Exo25:21 in heaven Heb8:1-5 Heb9:22-23 Rev11:19
We must serve different god's because the God I serve He tells me what are His commandments to keep if I love Him Exo20:6 John14:15 and serve Him Isa56:6 , not the other way around.
His faithful followers never made this mistake:
My Bible has the Sabbath in the NC/NT over 55 times. You keep using your words as if its God's when our words are not and we are plainly told not to add to them.Every scripture you post from the NEW Testament/Covenant does NOT include saturday sabbath
You, @Brakelite and the others, will never be able to post a single commandment from the LORD Jesus Christ that commands saturday sabbath.
NONE exist = None exist because it is only fulfilled in CHRIST
Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all, 2but is under guardians and stewards until the time appointed by the father. 3Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. 4But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
6And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. 9But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.
The LORD Jesus Christ kept the sabbath to fulfill the OT law = Galatians 4:4My Bible has the Sabbath in the NC/NT over 55 times. You keep using your words as if its God's when our words are not and we are plainly told not to add to them.
One of the first things we see after the Cross after Jesus ratified His covenant was the Sabbath being kept according to the commandment
Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
God personally named the Sabbath from Creation Exo20:11, what God does is forever- we cannot add from it or take from it
Ecc 3:14 I know that whatever God does,
It shall be forever.
Nothing can be added to it,
And nothing taken from it.
God does it, that men should fear before Him.
Sadly instead of fearing the LORD and keeping the commandments as mans all
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.
Man today fears men and keep mans traditions over the commandments of God.
Isaiah prophesied about this:
13 Therefore the Lord said:
Isa 29:13 “Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths
And honor Me with their lips,
But have removed their hearts far from Me,
And their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men,
Which is what Jesus condemned:
Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
No wonder why we are called in the last days to fear God and worship our Creator- because man has stopped fearing the LORD which Jesus related to keeping traditions over the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments.
Rev 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
These verses do not say that and we can't pluck out one of the commandments and treat it differently than how God said to keep it and than said no editing of My commandments Deut 4:2 Ecc3:14 Pro30:5-6 Rev22:18 Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 I mean who can edit God? Not a servant of God's. John13:16The LORD Jesus Christ kept the sabbath to fulfill the OT law = Galatians 4:4
But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
In all of world history, past/present/future = CHRIST is the only man to fulfill the OT law
@WalterandDebbie @Brakelite @thelord's_pearl = CHRIST did this for you and for me and for the whole world
But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
NOTICE = you were not redeemed to be kept under the law, but to be KEPT in CHRIST
ONLY in CHRIST is the 7th Day Kept and Fulfilled = Matt 11:25-30 , Matt 19:16-26 , John ch17 , Hebrews ch4