What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?

[David in NJ]

Those verses do not say that, The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment of God. Luke23:56

People should consider elevating what God said over man-made ideas. Why He told us not to edit Him and its sad people just gloss over it. Deut4:2 Ecc3:14 Rev22:18 Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19

The Sabbath rest started at Creation and God always connected the Sabbath with the seventh day- they are interchangeable.

““So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world
For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”” — Hebrews 4:3–4 (NKJV)

Exo20:11 “For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it” — Exodus 20:11 (NKJV)

God is our Heavenly FATHER

HE is very Intelligent and HE loves to begin with a Foundation by which HE paints a picture for us to SEE His LOVE for us in His SON

You continually refer back to the OT, which is good.

Yet our FATHER commands us to look to JESUS in these last days for our understanding of His Will to be done on earth as it is in Heaven.

a.) On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets
b.) But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son,
c.) whom He appointed Heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe

We are not under Moses, we are in CHRIST = HE Speaks to us thru the Holy Scriptures and the Holy Spirit in CHRIST

 

[LoveYeshua]

Does the New Covenant, as revealed in Scripture, alter the covenantal status of the fourth commandment and remove seventh-day Sabbath observance as a continuing obligation for God's people, including Gentile believers?

The argument presented by some proposes that while God's moral character remains unchanged, covenant administration and covenant identity are now interpreted through Christ and apostolic teaching, with covenant identity being primarily defined by union with Christ, faith, the Spirit, and the fruit of obedience rather than by a specific observance such as the seventh-day Sabbath. A scriptural examination raises several issues:

I. The New Covenant Does Not Describe the Removal of God's Law but Its Internalization

The New Covenant was announced before Christ's earthly ministry and was defined by God Himself:

Jeremiah 31:33 (ASV):

"But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

The covenant promise does not describe replacement of God's law but relocation of it. The Commandments moves from external stone tablets into the inward life of believers.

This understanding is repeated:

Ezekiel 36:26–27 (ASV):

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you... and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep mine ordinances, and do them."

The stated effect of the Spirit is not removal of obedience but empowerment toward obedience.

Jesus similarly denied the abolition of God's law:

Matthew 5:17–19 (ASV):

"Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished."

The language of Christ does not indicate covenant cancellation but continuity.

Therefore, if God's law remains and is written on the heart, Scripture must provide explicit evidence if one or more specific commandment is removed from its continuing force.

II. Scripture Never Explicitly Isolates the Fourth Commandment for Removal

The Ten Commandments occupy a unique place within Scripture.

Exodus 31:18 (ASV):

"And he gave unto Moses... the two tables of the testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."

Unlike ceremonial regulations delivered through Moses, the Ten Commandments were directly spoken by God before the people:

Exodus 20:1:

"And God spake all these words..."

The fourth commandment belongs to this same body of law:

Exodus 20:8–11 (ASV):

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."

No passage records Christ stating:

"The Sabbath commandment is abolished."

Nor:

"The Sabbath commandment is optional."

Nor:

"The Sabbath has become replaced by another observance."

If one argues that the Sabbath command changed while the other commandments remained, that conclusion requires explicit scriptural support.

III. Christ Did Not Present Himself as Replacing God's Commandments

one argument under consideration suggests covenant understanding is interpreted through Christ. This is true insofar as Christ reveals the Father's will. However, Christ consistently through His ministry pointed believers back to the Father's commandments rather than away from them.

John 14:15 (ASV):

"If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments."

John 15:10 (ASV):

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

Notice that Jesus establishes continuity between His commandments and the Father's commandments.

Likewise:

Matthew 28:20 (ASV):

"Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you."

Jesus never speaks of introducing a separate moral system detached from what God previously revealed.
Rather, He repeatedly corrected distortions and traditions that obscured God's commands:

Matthew 15:3 (ASV):

"Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?"

The burden of proof therefore remains on demonstrating where Christ Himself redefined the Sabbath commandment.

IV. The Sabbath Is Presented as a Creation Ordinance Rather Than Merely an Ethnic Covenant Marker

Some arguments assumes that Sabbath observance functioned primarily as a covenant boundary marker for Israel.
Scripture gives another foundation.

Exodus 20:11 (ASV):

"For in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

The basis given is creation itself.

The institution originates before Israel's national existence:

Genesis 2:2–3 (ASV):

"And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day... and God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it."

Jesus also stated:

Mark 2:27 (ASV):

"The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath."

Christ did not limit the Sabbath to Israel or to Jews. The term "man" refers broadly to humanity.

Furthermore, Isaiah extends Sabbath blessing to foreigners:

Isaiah 56:6–7 (ASV):

"Also the foreigners that join themselves to Jehovah... every one that keepeth the sabbath from profaning it... even them will I bring to my holy mountain."

The text therefore presents Sabbath observance as extending beyond ethnic Israel.

V. Union with Christ and Obedience Are Not Opposing Categories

Some, correctly states that covenant identity involves faith, union with Christ, the Spirit, and the fruit of obedience.

Scripture agrees.

The question becomes: obedience to what?

Jesus answered:

John 14:21 (ASV):

"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me."

John 15:10 (ASV):

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love..."

Faith and obedience are repeatedly joined rather than separated.

Likewise the disciples wrote:

1 John 2:3–4 (ASV):

"And hereby we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar."

And:

1 John 5:3 (ASV):

"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments; and his commandments are not grievous."

Union with Christ therefore does not eliminate obedience but gives life and power for it.



The covenant framework presented rightly emphasizes faith, Christ, holiness, and spiritual transformation. However, it assumes rather than demonstrates a transition whereby the fourth commandment amongst the others,moved from being part of God's enduring law into an optional covenant matter.

Scripture explicitly teaches:

-God writes His law on the heart rather than abolishing it (Jeremiah 31:33).​

​

-Jesus denied destroying the law (Matthew 5:17–19).​

​

-The Sabbath was rooted in creation (Genesis 2:2–3; Exodus 20:11).​

​

-Jesus declared the Sabbath was made for humanity (Mark 2:27).​

​

-Foreigners were included in Sabbath blessing (Isaiah 56:6–7).​

​

-Believers are called to demonstrate love through obedience (John 14:15; 15:10).​

Therefore the decisive theological question remains:

Where do Jesus or the twelve disciples explicitly state that the fourth commandment ceased to function as a continuing command of God for His people?

Without such a statement, the argument for discontinuity rests primarily upon theological inference rather than direct scriptural declaration.

I understand that some may disagree with this, but my desire is to follow and present what Scripture teaches as faithfully as possible.

 

[David in NJ]

YE have heard it said that we shall simply agree to disagree .
But often what a whopper of a mistake that one was and is .
DO you think paul would have said to an urpentant sinner
who justifies his sins or anyone elses sins
OKAY BUDDY , lets just agree to disagree , hug and get along .
OR
OR
Would he have REBUKED such a one and even put them OUT of the church
TILL they repented of said sin and justifying of sins .
But boy has s eeker friendly did major damage . and all in the name of what it calls love and it considers to be loving .
I say WE AGREE ONLY WITH THE WHAT GOD has clearly made known .
IT IS TO HE , HIS CHRIST that we OWE ALL . That we ought to have put FIRST before all .
Anything contrary to that is not THE LOVE OF GOD , nor is it love , noR will it work to the good
of any who do so . SO lets look at the TRUTH again .
HERE is the order of who and what WE PUT FIRST before all .
GOD and HIS CHRIST . and if we omit HIS words , WHY WE AINT PUTTING HIM FIRST at all .
Pretty simple if ya ask me . THE CREATOR OF ALL , OUGHT BE PUT FIRST above all .
Not a mother , not a daughter , not a dad , not a son , not anything COMETH BEFORE HIM .
I sure wish christendom would learn that real quickly too .

i really detest that comment = "we agree to disagree"

It is the diversion of the serpent

 

[David in NJ]

Does the New Covenant, as revealed in Scripture, alter the covenantal status of the fourth commandment and remove seventh-day Sabbath observance as a continuing obligation for God's people, including Gentile believers?

The argument presented by some proposes that while God's moral character remains unchanged, covenant administration and covenant identity are now interpreted through Christ and apostolic teaching, with covenant identity being primarily defined by union with Christ, faith, the Spirit, and the fruit of obedience rather than by a specific observance such as the seventh-day Sabbath. A scriptural examination raises several issues:

I. The New Covenant Does Not Describe the Removal of God's Law but Its Internalization

The New Covenant was announced before Christ's earthly ministry and was defined by God Himself:

Jeremiah 31:33 (ASV):

The covenant promise does not describe replacement of God's law but relocation of it. The Commandments moves from external stone tablets into the inward life of believers.

This understanding is repeated:

Ezekiel 36:26–27 (ASV):

The stated effect of the Spirit is not removal of obedience but empowerment toward obedience.

Jesus similarly denied the abolition of God's law:

Matthew 5:17–19 (ASV):

The language of Christ does not indicate covenant cancellation but continuity.

Therefore, if God's law remains and is written on the heart, Scripture must provide explicit evidence if one or more specific commandment is removed from its continuing force.

II. Scripture Never Explicitly Isolates the Fourth Commandment for Removal

The Ten Commandments occupy a unique place within Scripture.

Exodus 31:18 (ASV):

Unlike ceremonial regulations delivered through Moses, the Ten Commandments were directly spoken by God before the people:

Exodus 20:1:

The fourth commandment belongs to this same body of law:

Exodus 20:8–11 (ASV):

No passage records Christ stating:

"The Sabbath commandment is abolished."

Nor:

"The Sabbath commandment is optional."

Nor:

"The Sabbath has become replaced by another observance."

If one argues that the Sabbath command changed while the other commandments remained, that conclusion requires explicit scriptural support.

III. Christ Did Not Present Himself as Replacing God's Commandments

one argument under consideration suggests covenant understanding is interpreted through Christ. This is true insofar as Christ reveals the Father's will. However, Christ consistently through His ministry pointed believers back to the Father's commandments rather than away from them.

John 14:15 (ASV):


John 15:10 (ASV):

Notice that Jesus establishes continuity between His commandments and the Father's commandments.

Likewise:

Matthew 28:20 (ASV):

Jesus never speaks of introducing a separate moral system detached from what God previously revealed.
Rather, He repeatedly corrected distortions and traditions that obscured God's commands:

Matthew 15:3 (ASV):

The burden of proof therefore remains on demonstrating where Christ Himself redefined the Sabbath commandment.

IV. The Sabbath Is Presented as a Creation Ordinance Rather Than Merely an Ethnic Covenant Marker

Some arguments assumes that Sabbath observance functioned primarily as a covenant boundary marker for Israel.
Scripture gives another foundation.

Exodus 20:11 (ASV):

The basis given is creation itself.

The institution originates before Israel's national existence:

Genesis 2:2–3 (ASV):

Jesus also stated:

Mark 2:27 (ASV):

Christ did not limit the Sabbath to Israel or to Jews. The term "man" refers broadly to humanity.

Furthermore, Isaiah extends Sabbath blessing to foreigners:

Isaiah 56:6–7 (ASV):

The text therefore presents Sabbath observance as extending beyond ethnic Israel.

V. Union with Christ and Obedience Are Not Opposing Categories

Some, correctly states that covenant identity involves faith, union with Christ, the Spirit, and the fruit of obedience.

Scripture agrees.

The question becomes: obedience to what?

Jesus answered:

John 14:21 (ASV):

John 15:10 (ASV):

Faith and obedience are repeatedly joined rather than separated.

Likewise the disciples wrote:

1 John 2:3–4 (ASV):

And:

1 John 5:3 (ASV):

Union with Christ therefore does not eliminate obedience but gives life and power for it.



The covenant framework presented rightly emphasizes faith, Christ, holiness, and spiritual transformation. However, it assumes rather than demonstrates a transition whereby the fourth commandment amongst the others,moved from being part of God's enduring law into an optional covenant matter.

Scripture explicitly teaches:

-God writes His law on the heart rather than abolishing it (Jeremiah 31:33).​

​

-Jesus denied destroying the law (Matthew 5:17–19).​

​

-The Sabbath was rooted in creation (Genesis 2:2–3; Exodus 20:11).​

​

-Jesus declared the Sabbath was made for humanity (Mark 2:27).​

​

-Foreigners were included in Sabbath blessing (Isaiah 56:6–7).​

​

-Believers are called to demonstrate love through obedience (John 14:15; 15:10).​

Therefore the decisive theological question remains:

Where do Jesus or the twelve disciples explicitly state that the fourth commandment ceased to function as a continuing command of God for His people?

Without such a statement, the argument for discontinuity rests primarily upon theological inference rather than direct scriptural declaration.

I understand that some may disagree with this, but my desire is to follow and present what Scripture teaches as faithfully as possible.

KEY = The INdwelling of the Holy Spirit upon our hearts is to glorify CHRIST and not the law

When GOD writes His Law on our hearts, HE is writing the Love of and for CHRIST in us.

CHRIST is the Fullness of the Law of GOD

CHRIST is Both, the LORD of the Sabbath and the Place of Sabbath REST

All Ten Commandments are in CHRIST = therefore we keep all Ten in us when we obey CHRIST

SHALOM

 

[David in NJ]

Therefore the decisive theological question remains:

Where do Jesus or the twelve disciples explicitly state that the fourth commandment ceased to function as a continuing command of God for His people?

Without such a statement, the argument for discontinuity rests primarily upon theological inference rather than direct scriptural declaration.

I understand that some may disagree with this, but my desire is to follow and present what Scripture teaches as faithfully as possible.

JESUS Says that HE Alone is the REST of GOD

JESUS Says that HE is the 7th Day Spoken of in Genesis

JESUS Says to us: Take up your cross and follow ME - not Moses

JESUS Says: HE is Wiser then Solomon

JESUS Says: HE is Greater then the temple that was in Jerusalem = the temple that GOD destroyed

JESUS Says: IAM

JESUS Says: IAM the Way the Truth the Life , no one comes to the FATHER but thru ME

JESUS Says: IAM the Resurrection

The FATHER Says: "LISTEN/Obey MY SON"

Moses and the law is kindergarden stuff compared to the LORD of the Sabbath = Hebrews explains this for us

HE-Brews is the best cup of JOEseph you will ever have to "Perk you UP" to CHRIST

FYI - JESUS Stands in the Center of the Throne of GOD = the Person and the Place of GOD's REST

Rejoice with all your heart in the MESSIAH = LORD Yeshua HaMashiach = the ISRAEL of GOD

 

[Brakelite]

you said -- why obedience to God's commandments are essential in order to gain eternal life..
So gaining eternal life is a combination of faith AND performance ?
Let's see what Paul teaches :-
The Gospel :-
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

How about reading a little further in the scriptures and include Romans 6. Who we seek to obey, his servants we are who we obey.
Whose servant are you when you decide that obedience to God's commandments is an optional extra?

you said -- why obedience to God's commandments are essential in order to gain eternal life..
So gaining eternal life is a combination of faith AND performance ?

And yes, absolutely I said that. But the "performance" part you reject, isn't ours. Obedience to any of God's commandments can only be accomplished by His power working in us through the Holy Spirit. Even the desire to obey can only come from above. "Without Me ye can do nothing". Jesus. So it isn't our performance, our works, or anything we do as a means to earn anything.

 

[doctrox]

In John chapter 3, the LORD reiterates Exodus 31:12-17 in His Fullness of Understanding

Where in John chapter 3?

 

[PeterAndroz]

How about reading a little further in the scriptures and include Romans 6. Who we seek to obey, his servants we are who we obey.
Whose servant are you when you decide that obedience to God's commandments is an optional extra?

And yes, absolutely I said that. But the "performance" part you reject, isn't ours. Obedience to any of God's commandments can only be accomplished by His power working in us through the Holy Spirit. Even the desire to obey can only come from above. "Without Me ye can do nothing". Jesus. So it isn't our performance, our works, or anything we do as a means to earn anything.

Easy question for you :-
Do you accept or reject what Paul teaches as required for Brakelite to be saved, justified, sealed, made righteous ?
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The Gospel :-
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++++++++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

[David in NJ]

Where in John chapter 3?

Remember, I said it is all throughout the Gospel - the first thing you should do is read again Exodus 31:12-17
Keep in mind Genesis chapters 1- 3 as well

No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already

SHALOM

 

[Brakelite]

No one can show or PROVE or bring forth a SINGLE word out of the Mouth of CHRIST or the Apostles that saturday is commanded under the New Covenant

Sorry bro, but the onus is not upon us to prove the NT has a specific commandment concerning the sabbath. The commandment was already there, and there is no "Thus sayeth the Lord" which abrogated it. . The onus therefore is on you to prove Jesus or the apostles intended to change the sabbath to another day, or no day, or any day you like day, or a rest totally devoid of days or full of them. Take your pick.

NOT once did the HOLY SPIRIT speak a return to mandatory saturday observance as required under the law. =

Return, or continuation. The evidence in Scripture reveals a continuation. Jesus even observed the Sabbath in His death. The women observed the same Sabbath waiting till the first day to anoint the body. Paul and his companions on all his journeys never once observed any other day, but attended synagogues on sabbath wherever he went "as his custom was". Claiming he was attending synagogues for the mere purpose of preaching the gospel is presumption and an attempt to read motive.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Remember, I said it is all throughout the Gospel - the first thing you should do is read again Exodus 31:12-17
Keep in mind Genesis chapters 1- 3 as well

No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already

SHALOM

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
If keeping the Sabbath is a justification requirement today why does Paul not teach it to be so ?
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Do you agree with what Paul teaches re being saved/justified/sealed/made righteous today ?
++
The Gospel by Christ through Paul
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++++++++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

[David in NJ]

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
If keeping the Sabbath is a justification requirement today why does Paul not teach it to be so ?
++
Do you agree with what Paul teaches re being saved/justified/sealed/made righteous today ?
++
The Gospel by Christ through Paul
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++++++++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Good Morning @PeterAndroz,

YEAH and AMEN to "by grace we have been saved and not of works less any man should boast" = GOSPEL

My posts are from the Holy Spirit to show from the word of God that the SDA religion is in opposition to Salvation purely by the Gospel/Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ thru faith.

Maybe you did not see post #282 - so here it is again = keep in mind these posts are directed at those who feel they must observe saturday as if it were commanded by GOD today as it was under the Old Testament Law
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Post #282 = mandatory saturday observance was not commanded by CHRIST or the Apostles for the NT Church


Romans 14:4-5 = DO NOT judge the LORD's servants on their choice of the day of the week which they gather - AMEN

When anyone holds saturday as if it were a NT commandment, you violate Romans 14:4-5, the Gospel, Acts and Colossians chapter 2

#1a - "thinking we know better than a thus saith the LORD" = @Brakelite @LawofLove
No one can show or PROVE or bring forth a SINGLE word out of the Mouth of CHRIST or the Apostles that saturday is commanded under the New Covenant

#1b - "thinking we know better than a thus saith the LORD"
In fact, you reject "thus Saith the LORD" = Matthew 11:27-30
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

#1c - "thinking we know better than a thus saith the LORD"
In fact, you reject the words of the HOLY SPIRIT, spoken to us, in Hebrews chapter 4

Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it.
For we also received the GOSPEL just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, since they did not share the faith of those who comprehended it.

3Now we who have believed enter that Rest.
As for the others, it is just as God has said/thus Saith the LORD:

“So I swore on oath in My anger,
‘They shall never enter My Rest.’”

In your religion, saturday worship now becomes mandatory and is added to "faith in CHRIST"

SDA rejects "thus Saith the LORD" who declared the OT as "Finished" while dying on the Cross

#2 - "When that happens we become our own authority, in other words, god."

Shame on you, for you have subjected Salvation in Christ thru faith ALONE by your religion & saturday god = same as the Jews
To this day the unrepentant Jews observe saturday as their righteousness and obeying their god. - Romans 10:1-3

#3 - The salvation of Saul of Tarsus by the GRACE of GOD
Like yourselves, Saul of Tarsus was deeply agitated by those who violated the law.

Saul of Tarsus wanted to protect the law and his god by falsely accusing those who were set free from the law by the Blood of Christ.

Saul of Tarsus and the Temple keepers despised the working of the Holy Spirit in the people of the True and Living GOD

The GRACE of GOD overrides the obligation to the law/saturday, including mandatory saturday 'rest'.

The GRACE of GOD came to Saul of Tarsus and knocked him off his high religious horse

The GRACE of GOD thru the HOLY SPIRIRT and the Holy Scriptures taught Saul of Tarsus how he was WRONG and misunderstood the Law.

The GRACE of GOD transformed Saul of Tarsus into the Apostle Paul, thru the Blood of Christ and the Baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT

NOT once did the HOLY SPIRIT speak a return to mandatory saturday observance as required under the law. =
mandatory saturday rest under the law is NEVER found in the NEW Covenant nor in the Apostles writings/instructions for the Church

The GRACE of GOD transforms us and sets us FREE from the law and mandatory saturday observance = Gospel, Colossians ch2 , Romans

The GRACE of GOD calls us to gather under GRACE, 24/7, no matter the day of the week.

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day/saturday, to the Lord he does not observe it.

@Lambano @Brakelite @LawofLove @WalterandDebbie @thelord's_pearl

Walk in the GRACE of GOD and turn away from judging your brothers/sisters in CHRIST by the law and making saturday a requirement of righteousness before GOD

HOLY SPIRIT Says: "By GRACE you have been Saved, and not of works lest anyone should boast

 

[LawofLove]

Sorry bro, but the onus is not upon us to prove the NT has a specific commandment concerning the sabbath. The commandment was already there, and there is no "Thus sayeth the Lord" which abrogated it. . The onus therefore is on you to prove Jesus or the apostles intended to change the sabbath to another day, or no day, or any day you like day, or a rest totally devoid of days or full of them. Take your pick.

Return, or continuation. The evidence in Scripture reveals a continuation. Jesus even observed the Sabbath in His death. The women observed the same Sabbath waiting till the first day to anoint the body. Paul and his companions on all his journeys never once observed any other day, but attended synagogues on sabbath wherever he went "as his custom was". Claiming he was attending synagogues for the mere purpose of preaching the gospel is presumption and an attempt to read motive.

Brakelite,

Yes, good point. The NT speaks of continuation. No one can reverse something the LORD Blessed Num23:20 once He Blesses its forever 1Chron17:27 God Blessed the Sabbath day before sin, before Israel, before Jew, Blessed the Sabbath and made the Sabbath for man Mark2:27 and God Blesses the man who keeps the Sabbath and not profanes it Isa56:2 - the only thing we can do it not accept God's Blessings and in Scripture there are only two choices- Blessed or cursed so denying how God wants to bless mankind I do not believe is a wise choice Psa37:22

There is no thus saith the LORD that took away the Sabbath Blessing - hence as you mentioned the Bible only speaks of continuality- God's laws that only He can define went from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart 2Co3:3 the promise of God not altering His words Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 if we allow Him to write them in our hearts and minds and hold fast His covenant Jer31:33 Isa56:6 Heb8:10.

Why the very first thing we see after the death of Christ, after He ratified His covenant that nothing can change, it would require Christ's death again to make a change of His covenant and His death is once and for all. The first thing we see- is keeping the Sabbath according to the commandment Luke23:56- no change. Just as Jesus indicated for His faithful Mat24:20 Isa66:23


God bless friend!

 

[amigo de christo]

Remember, I said it is all throughout the Gospel - the first thing you should do is read again Exodus 31:12-17
Keep in mind Genesis chapters 1- 3 as well

No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already

SHALOM

See the words highlighted in darker font .
Now that sure aint what i am seeing getting told in int efaith interreligious dialgoue .
No , not even close . It says it dont matter what religoin one is of and follows
that all are serving the same GOD .
But now lets allow John , WHO KNEW JESUS , to say what is going on with and within
these f alse religoins . He who BELIEVES NOT the TESTIMONY that GOD gave of the SON
is , IS , and without doubt IS , CALLING GOD A LIAR .
Now if one calls GOD , YES GOD HIMSELF a liar , HOW is that one then SER VING GOD . and the simple answer is
THEY ARE NOT , they walk in darkness
and they serve another father all together . I shall let JESUS words show us who that father is ........
The jews said to JESUS , we have ONE GOD , G OD is our FATHER .
JESUS said ye father is satan , you do the works of your father . NOW
if even the jews got no pass , what on earth makes these inclusivians think the false religoins get a pass .
SO lets sum this up real simple .
Any one born of woman , whether jew or gentile , MUST BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
IF they do not , THERE IS NO TRUTH in them .
THEY do call GOD a liar . And he who denies that JESUS is the CHRIST , HE is anti christ .

 

[amigo de christo]

Good Morning @PeterAndroz,

YEAH and AMEN to "by grace we have been saved and not of works less any man should boast" = GOSPEL

My posts are from the Holy Spirit to show from the word of God that the SDA religion is in opposition to Salvation purely by the Gospel/Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ thru faith.

Maybe you did not see post #282 - so here it is again = keep in mind these posts are directed at those who feel they must observe saturday as if it were commanded by GOD today as it was under the Old Testament Law
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Post #282 = mandatory saturday observance was not commanded by CHRIST or the Apostles for the NT Church


Romans 14:4-5 = DO NOT judge the LORD's servants on their choice of the day of the week which they gather - AMEN

When anyone holds saturday as if it were a NT commandment, you violate Romans 14:4-5, the Gospel, Acts and Colossians chapter 2

#1a - "thinking we know better than a thus saith the LORD" = @Brakelite @LawofLove
No one can show or PROVE or bring forth a SINGLE word out of the Mouth of CHRIST or the Apostles that saturday is commanded under the New Covenant

#1b - "thinking we know better than a thus saith the LORD"
In fact, you reject "thus Saith the LORD" = Matthew 11:27-30
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

#1c - "thinking we know better than a thus saith the LORD"
In fact, you reject the words of the HOLY SPIRIT, spoken to us, in Hebrews chapter 4

Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it.
For we also received the GOSPEL just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, since they did not share the faith of those who comprehended it.

3Now we who have believed enter that Rest.
As for the others, it is just as God has said/thus Saith the LORD:

“So I swore on oath in My anger,
‘They shall never enter My Rest.’”

In your religion, saturday worship now becomes mandatory and is added to "faith in CHRIST"

SDA rejects "thus Saith the LORD" who declared the OT as "Finished" while dying on the Cross

#2 - "When that happens we become our own authority, in other words, god."

Shame on you, for you have subjected Salvation in Christ thru faith ALONE by your religion & saturday god = same as the Jews
To this day the unrepentant Jews observe saturday as their righteousness and obeying their god. - Romans 10:1-3

#3 - The salvation of Saul of Tarsus by the GRACE of GOD
Like yourselves, Saul of Tarsus was deeply agitated by those who violated the law.

Saul of Tarsus wanted to protect the law and his god by falsely accusing those who were set free from the law by the Blood of Christ.

Saul of Tarsus and the Temple keepers despised the working of the Holy Spirit in the people of the True and Living GOD

The GRACE of GOD overrides the obligation to the law/saturday, including mandatory saturday 'rest'.

The GRACE of GOD came to Saul of Tarsus and knocked him off his high religious horse

The GRACE of GOD thru the HOLY SPIRIRT and the Holy Scriptures taught Saul of Tarsus how he was WRONG and misunderstood the Law.

The GRACE of GOD transformed Saul of Tarsus into the Apostle Paul, thru the Blood of Christ and the Baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT

NOT once did the HOLY SPIRIT speak a return to mandatory saturday observance as required under the law. =
mandatory saturday rest under the law is NEVER found in the NEW Covenant nor in the Apostles writings/instructions for the Church

The GRACE of GOD transforms us and sets us FREE from the law and mandatory saturday observance = Gospel, Colossians ch2 , Romans

The GRACE of GOD calls us to gather under GRACE, 24/7, no matter the day of the week.

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day/saturday, to the Lord he does not observe it.

@Lambano @Brakelite @LawofLove @WalterandDebbie @thelord's_pearl

Walk in the GRACE of GOD and turn away from judging your brothers/sisters in CHRIST by the law and making saturday a requirement of righteousness before GOD

HOLY SPIRIT Says: "By GRACE you have been Saved, and not of works lest anyone should boast

Verily i do say unto thee
the simple fact of who an adventists seeks to point too can be clearly seen
in what they did to what paul said and wrote to the church . We can see this in hebrews .
WHEN paul was saying one must strive to enter into THIS REST
HE POINTED THEM TO FAITH IN CHRIST .
When an adventists reads the very same words , They use these same words
WHICH PAUL wrote to POINT TO CHRIST
to rather point back TO THE LAW . NOW THINK ABOUT THAT ONE .
I am not against anyone who honors the sabbath , BUT WHEN WORDS of TRUTH
that POINTED TO JESUS are now used to point to the other sabbath , WOW , is that not POINTING THEM TO THE LAW
and NOT TO CHRIST .
THAT MY FRIEND is an easy one to expose too . They always go about condeming men
and pointing to the law , to meats , drinks and days . NOT so much at all about POINTING FOLKS TO JESUS and FAITH IN HIM .

 

[Brakelite]

Easy question for you :-
Do you accept or reject what Paul teaches as required for Brakelite to be saved, justified, sealed, made righteous ?

That isn't one question. Not all of those are the same. Therefore not one answer.
First, justified, because that is first chronologically as life happens. Justification entirely based on the death of Christ. The blood of Christ atones. By it all condemnation is removed, I am declared innocent/ righteous through the grace of God and stand before a holy God as of I had never sinned, negate I am pardoned, forgiven, negate Jesus took join Himself what i deserved. Death.
To receive this precious gift, I must repent. Repentance means to turn away from sin. Not just the sins I don't like, but also the sins I enjoy. The ones we enjoy can be addictions. These may take longer, even a very long time to overcome. Heaven is prepared for overcomers. Anyone encumbered with addiction and sin cannot inherit the kingdom of God. I assume I don't need the scriptures to support the above, you seem mature enough to know them.

Made righteous. Two steps. Declared righteous by the blood of the Lamb. That's justification as above. Made righteous through the sanctifying power of the Spirit of God throughout the life as one abides in the Vine/Christ. That's sanctification. That doesn't happen in an instant.

Sealed. Having the seal of God placed in the mind/forehead/conscience, which comes having been settled into truth and never to be moved.

Saved. Right now I am saved. By the grace of God I will remain in this condition so long as I remain faithful, even to Jesus comes or I due. Even though I am justified, I still have free will, and can choose the world or revert back to my old life or fall into temptation and allow myself to be lulled into a false sense of security, enjoying sin for a season and finding it an addiction or habit I don't want to be free from. When Jesus comes, He comes to destroy sin. If anyone, including me is attached to it after being presented warnings and opportunities to repent but loving the sin more than God, they will be destroyed along with the sin they cleave to. The justification that cost the Son of God so much, is made of none effect. They have cast it back into the face of God and left Him with no choice but to give you what you desire.

 

[amigo de christo]

Remember, I said it is all throughout the Gospel - the first thing you should do is read again Exodus 31:12-17
Keep in mind Genesis chapters 1- 3 as well

No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already

SHALOM

David do you see all them words you just copied . Words that JESUS himself said .
Lovely they are indeed .
And now a word
IF JESUS said it ..............WHO and FROM WHOM DO YOU THINK it came .
A hint , not of man .
antoher hint , OF HE WHO CREATED ALL that was and IS .
NOW WHO do that sound like to YOU . WHO created all that was and is . IF ya said GOD
you spot on right .
SO my question is , WHY are folkings omiting such words in favor of a broad path LIE that i full well know IS OF MANY ANTI CHRISTS .
And my other question now is
WHERE do those who made and loved a lie END UP . one hint , Think lake . but not any vacation lake full of nice water .

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I wish you well in seeking the Truth of God's Word and pray that our hearts can be molded to His will, I hope to see you on the other side, hope we can stand in His Glory at His Second Coming. Please consider what our heavenly Father asked us to Remember. God just wants to spend sacred time with us on the day He set aside blessed and sanctified to do so. I know the world teaches something different, our loyalty needs to be with God.

Be well.

Shalom, Sister, how are you all? I was looking at: Thread — RememberConnect, and found some interesting information at a glance for the first time.

Love, Walter

 

[LawofLove]

Shalom, Sister, how are you all? I was looking at: Thread — RememberConnect, and found some interesting information at a glance for the first time.

Love, Walter

Yes, I encourage everyone to go deeper in their studies. Most of the NT is quoting the OT and many don't look at the references and sadly misunderstand the true meaning what the NT is teachings.

God bless my friend! I appreciate the kind words.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Yes, I encourage everyone to go deeper in their studies. Most of the NT is quoting the OT and many don't look at the references and sadly misunderstand the true meaning what the NT is teachings.

God bless my friend! I appreciate the kind words.

Thanks, you all are in our prayers, Love always, Walter and Debbie