Tulip Truths are from the word of God, and you reject them, so what does that tell me ?
The deadly consequences of denying limited atonement !
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Ronald David Bruno
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I just gave you examples of scholars, who based on your prerequisite and conclusion that stated: " I would say that christians who reject Tulip have not studied Scripture well."
Dr. Billy Graham didn't study scripture well?
That is absurd and so us your claim!
I am not an Armenian, I'm a Christian. Being a Christian does not necessitate an either/or view of Calvinism or Armenianism. And I did partially refute these points already.
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Ronald David Bruno
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I agree and I can do that while rejecting o TULIP.
Predestination/ Election is sound - I just don't claim to know how God does this. He is sovereign, has a perfect plan and within that plan we are responsible. We are given knowledge of Good and Evil and we chose between them, we respond - but we are also equipped with truth an a God's guidance to turn away from temptations, evils. Otherwise _ if totally depraved _we'd all be in prison.
Ronald Nolette
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And I can give you example of scholares who say your scholars are wrong.
Well being a Christian on these five points of theology, their are only two views the TULIP side or the Armenian side
T--either you believe all men are by nature lost or you do not.
U-Either you believe you can come to Jesus without preconditions (Billy Grahams Just as I am) or you believe man must change his act first.
L-- you either believe only the saved have their sins erased from them or you do not.
I-- you either believe men in his unsaved state cannot choose God of his own will or you don't.
P-- you either believe in eternal security or you believe a saved person can lose their salvation. IOW not all their sins were erased.
BTW Billy Graham was a wavering 5 pointer until 2007 when at Wesley Avenue Baptist Church he declared that Calvinists were right all along!
I love Billy Graham and have high hiogh admoration for him, but like all men he is not infallible.
You exalt a theological opinion above the gospel.
TULIP is foundational to nothing but Calvinism.
Ronald Nolette
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TULIP is derived from Scripture. Just as teh doctrrine of eternal security is derived from Scripture as is the Millennnial kingdom derived from Scripture.
Just because a "label" has been given something is only to identiofy and quantify it.
So if you reject the five points of TULIP as there is no other possible doctrinal alternative, you accept teh five points of Jacob Armenius, which is why TULIP was created, to rebut Armenius
Ronald David Bruno
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About 97% of Christians are NOT Calvinists and so don't need TULIP to guide us. We have the Holy Spirit. God gave us a rational mind too; to learn, know, love, seek truth and discern between good and evil. If we were totally depraved, we could not do any of that. Spiritually we are all born blind, but God's truth has permeated the world since the Flood. Romans 1 says we are without excuse. If totally depraved - that would be our excuse!!
So given that, your "rationality is a bit confused, reaching for a conclusion that is on fact a fallacy. I have been a Christian for 35 years. Your comment should be reported; but I'll just let it drift away. I have no desire to communicate with you anymore.
