The Date of the Lord delivering Israel.

[ScottA]

I... really don't even know how you can make such an association and ask such a question, Scott. Ohhhh... okay, so as not to misconstrue your words... sending out what, Scott? Yes, there is certainly sending going on, so I guess the answer to your question is, no, sending has not become unnecessary. But again, who or what do you think is being sent today, and by whom?


Hmmmm. I mean, as Christians, we are all sent, precisely in Jesus's terms in Matthew 28:19-20, and Acts 1:8, as I said.

Likewise, how can you ask such a question? Has that sealed portion of "all truth" shown to Daniel been revealed--can you tell me of it? Or the little book shown to John, the contents of which was not revealed in the book of Revelation, since been unsealed--can you show me the contents?

Which things do not speak of the gifts of the Spirit per se, for they are directly from God, but of--yes--were even "private" for a time, and to be "new" when appearing in the fullness of time in accord with the promise of Christ that we would be guided unto "all truth"--not directly, but by "guide."

 

[ScottA]

Okay, I mean this with just some humor, here, and that's all, really:

Grace and peace to you.

Hopefully that is an image of one suffering "the renewing of your mind."

 

[PinSeeker]

Likewise, how can you ask such a question? Has that sealed portion of "all truth" shown to Daniel been revealed--can you tell me of it? Or the little book shown to John, the contents of which was not revealed in the book of Revelation, since been unsealed--can you show me the contents?

Which things do not speak of the gifts of the Spirit per se, for they are directly from God, but of--yes--were even "private" for a time, and to be "new" when appearing in the fullness of time in accord with the promise of Christ that we would be guided unto "all truth"--not directly, but by "guide."

What do you think, Scott, is being sent? And by whom? I mean you don't have to answer, certainly; I think I know what you'd say.

Hopefully that is an image of one suffering "the renewing of your mind."

Nooooo... <smile> More like ~ an a little different sense as Job and David, of course ~ "How long, O Lord?" <chuckles>

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

 

[ScottA]

What do you think, Scott, is being sent? And by whom? I mean you don't have to answer, certainly; I think I know what you'd say.

I find it hard to believe that you have not heard me explain or give my testimony here many times. Wow!

I have written books on it. But having no religious upbringing, at the end of a long downward spiral of events, called out to God whom I did not before know--and He answered. I was caught up to the third heaven and heard words not lawful to utter--perhaps you know the verse. I was then returned, refreshed of my worldly struggles with peace and lead to confirm it all in the Bible by divine intervention, unmistakably. Forty years of silence passed without being released by God to utter what was for so long unlawful, which is briefly the substance of Revelation 10:5-7. Mine is the finish.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

2 Corinthians 12:1 It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Imagine someone here claiming to be the person Paul was writing about who was caught up to the third heaven/paradise 14 years before Paul wrote this. Well, we don't have to imagine it.

 

[PinSeeker]

I find it hard to believe that you have not heard me explain or give my testimony here many times. Wow!

Okay, well I haven’t. That actually sounds a bit egotistical… Anyway, yeah I’m not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China… unless maybe you’ve been sent there… I just asked who you think is being sent and by whom…

I have written books on it. But having no religious upbringing, at the end of a long downward spiral of events, called out to God whom I did not before know--and He answered. I was caught up to the third heaven and heard words not lawful to utter--perhaps you know the verse. I was then returned, refreshed of my worldly struggles with peace and lead to confirm it all in the Bible by divine intervention, unmistakably. Forty years of silence passed without being released by God to utter what was for so long unlawful, which is briefly the substance of Revelation 10:5-7. Mine is the finish.

Wow. Okay yeah I was way wrong about what you would say…. <chuckles>. You know on second thought, I guess you actually are answering my question…

Okay, wonderful. Grace and peace to you.

 

[Marilyn C]

It's Greek:
συνηγαγεν they assembled
αυτους themselves
εις at
τον the
τοπον plain
τον that (one)
καλουμενον called
Εβραιστι in Hebrew
Αρμαγεδων Armageddon

The Hebrew is הר ממגידו ( Har = "mountain," and Megiddo is the name of an ancient city no longer there). Greek has no H, hence Greek Armageddon.

One webpage says Jehoshaphat was the court king of Judah, known for his religious reforms, military leadership, and devotion to God. Some scholars link "Valley of Jehoshaphat" (Joel 3) with this battle of Armageddon, but it is uncertain.

Thanks William. I see Joel 3 as quite clear for the details. That with Zech. 13: 8 & 9 reveal that the world`s armies gather in the plain of Armageddon and then spread out coming down to the valley of Jehoshaphat and some coming underneath and then up to the valley.

 

[ScottA]

Thanks William. I see Joel 3 as quite clear for the details. That with Zech. 13: 8 & 9 reveal that the world`s armies gather in the plain of Armageddon and then spread out coming down to the valley of Jehoshaphat and some coming underneath and then up to the valley.

Marilyn,

If you do a word study the passages by God's great power are world manifest word pictures. Meaning all people are gathered in the valley of judgment. Which then, is not rightly interpreted as a future event only, but one that refers to all people of all time...for all have come against God in sin (except One).

 

[Marilyn C]

Marilyn,

If you do a word study the passages by God's great power are world manifest word pictures. Meaning all people are gathered in the valley of judgment. Which then, is not rightly interpreted as a future event only, but one that refers to all people of all time...for all have come against God in sin (except One).

If that was so then the heavens and earth would have fled away.

`Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God and the books were opened...` (Rev. 20: 11 & 12)

 

[William Barton]

Thanks William. I see Joel 3 as quite clear for the details. That with Zech. 13: 8 & 9 reveal that the world`s armies gather in the plain of Armageddon and then spread out coming down to the valley of Jehoshaphat and some coming underneath and then up to the valley.

Thanks William. I see Joel 3 as quite clear for the details. That with Zech. 13: 8 & 9 reveal that the world`s armies gather in the plain of Armageddon and then spread out coming down to the valley of Jehoshaphat and some coming underneath and then up to the valley.

Another detail: there was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times. "Armies of the earth" indicates armies of the land; this is a Middle-Eastern dispute. The Anti-Christ irritates the surrounding Middle-Eastern nations, who hate Israel anyway for disrespecting their "gods," and the showdown begins. The armies face off, then look up in the sky and see Jesus leading his army of angels, Lamb of God now Lion of Jehovah. Crunch time.

Jesus will reign 1000 years (Revelation 20.2). There will be another brief skirmish after the 1000 years (Revelation 20:7-10), followed by a final judgment, then new heavens and earth, in which righteousness will prevail. No more tears.

 

[ScottA]

If that was so then the heavens and earth would have fled away.

`Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God and the books were opened...` (Rev. 20: 11 & 12)

That perspective comes from assuming that all these things come as a one-time, mass, future event. In God's timeless reality that was true even before the foundation of the world, thus "fled" is the correct word and tense. Each event then is enacted in the fullness of time, made manifest, revealed, or so it would seem--but "within you"--and, "but each one in his own order"--in this way, the heavens and the earth are indeed passing away. "Then comes the end."

 

[William Barton]

That perspective comes from assuming that all these things come as a one-time, mass, future event. In God's timeless reality that was true even before the foundation of the world, thus "fled" is the correct word and tense. Each event then is enacted in the fullness of time, made manifest, revealed, or so it would seem--but "within you"--and, "but each one in his own order"--in this way, the heavens and the earth are indeed passing away. "Then comes the end."

This is the final judgment, at the end of the millennium. Those in hell are resurrected, judged, and annihilated. Then this universe is disposed, and a new universe takes its place.

 

[PinSeeker]

That perspective comes from assuming that all these things come as a one-time, mass, future event. In God's timeless reality that was true even before the foundation of the world, thus "fled" is the correct word and tense. Each event then is enacted in the fullness of time, made manifest, revealed, or so it would seem--but "within you"--and, "but each one in his own order"--in this way, the heavens and the earth are indeed passing away. "Then comes the end."

So... trying to understand you, Scott... You think the final Judgment has been occurring throughout time, ever since... I guess... Adam's and Eve's fall? Is that your understanding?

Grace and peace to you.

 

[William Barton]

o Final judgment is noted in Revelation 20:11-15.

o. After that, new heavens and earth (Revelation 21:1-22:21).

It's in the Book.

 

[ScottA]

This is the final judgment, at the end of the millennium. Those in hell are resurrected, judged, and annihilated. Then this universe is disposed, and a new universe takes its place.

No...but rather God has been dividing the light from the darkness--daily--from the beginning.

 

[ScottA]

So... trying to understand you, Scott... You think the final Judgment has been occurring throughout time, ever since... I guess... Adam's and Eve's fall? Is that your understanding?

Grace and peace to you.

I do not think, but know.

Since before the foundation of the world actually, but daily since the beginning all is made manifest (revealed), and personality, but each one in his own order.

But you should consider: Which is greater...the actual event, or its revealing, the one being of God and in heaven, the other in and of this world?

 

[William Barton]

No...but rather God has been dividing the light from the darkness--daily--from the beginning.

God divided the light and the darkness by rotating the earth. Darkness is the absence of light.

 

[William Barton]

No...but rather God has been dividing the light from the darkness--daily--from the beginning.

The light is "divided" by the rotation of the earth. One rotation is one day.

Those in Biblical times had no conception of a rotating earth.

 

[ScottA]

God divided the light and the darkness by rotating the earth. Darkness is the absence of light.

...and if God made mankind in his own image, in what image might he have made the earth? (Rhetorical)