The Door Will Be Shut

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Linda

New Member
Sep 9, 2025
36
10
8
76
Ladera Ranch Ca
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Luke 15:20, the son came home prepared to negotiate for a position as a hired worker, the father restored him to full sonship before he could finish his first sentence. The son came with a contract, the father responded with a celebration. This is grace and grace is offensive, grace does not make sense, grace does not add up, grace looks at a pig stained, money wasting, father dishonoring failure and says, kill the fattened calf, not because the son deserves it, but because the father’s love is not measured by the son’s performance. And if that makes you uncomfortable, if something in you bristles at the idea that someone who messed up that badly could be welcomed home that easily, then you might have more in common with the older brother than you realize.
Grace does add up, its not cheap though some
Think it is, since we have no idea if we have been given grace or not, and we wont really
Know until God says Well Done, not when we
Feel we went to God in our sins asking to be forgiven.

Why? Because we dont know our own heart,
And there is no judge amongst us to claim
Our own Verdict.
To ourselves we may really feel sorrowful
And we may cry or fall on our face, etc etc
And we very well might be as sorry as we
Could ever be, but again, thats our judgement,
While the bible still says to remain humble is
Where Grace abounds and to not be humble
Is to assume what we judge and we arent
Willing to wait until we stand before the
One and the Only God of the Universe.
 

newnature

Active Member
Mar 24, 2011
596
102
43
Workbased is all performance, obedience
Teaches us the proper way in which to
Think per the Word of God, and to remain
Humbled, until at which time we all must
Stand before Him and He asks us for an
Account He says…
1 Corinthians 15:31, this daily death is not a defeat, it is actually the path to freedom, because when the flesh loses its power, the spirit gains space to lead. When selfish desires are surrendered, Divine purpose begins to emerge. When pride is crucified, humility opens the door to wisdom. The spiritual journey is not about becoming perfect overnight, it is about learning how to surrender again and again, until the spirit becomes stronger than the flesh. Many people feel discouraged by their internal battles, they assume that struggling means they are failing spiritually, the struggle itself is proof that the spirit is alive within you, if there were no struggle, the flesh would already be in control.
 

newnature

Active Member
Mar 24, 2011
596
102
43
Grace does add up, its not cheap though some
Think it is, since we have no idea if we have been given grace or not, and we wont really
Know until God says Well Done, not when we
Feel we went to God in our sins asking to be forgiven.

Why? Because we dont know our own heart,
And there is no judge amongst us to claim
Our own Verdict.
To ourselves we may really feel sorrowful
And we may cry or fall on our face, etc etc
And we very well might be as sorry as we
Could ever be, but again, thats our judgement,
While the bible still says to remain humble is
Where Grace abounds and to not be humble
Is to assume what we judge and we arent
Willing to wait until we stand before the
One and the Only God of the Universe.
Real grace produces real change, not perfection, but visible progress, not absence of struggle, but clear direction, not immediate elimination of all problems, but genuine transformation that others can see and if that transformation isn’t happening, then there’s a serious problem that needs to be faced. The Bible is absolutely clear, you will know true Christians by their fruit, Matthew 7:20, not by their words, not by their theological knowledge, not by how long they’ve been going to church, but by their fruit, by their actions, by the visible evidence of transformation in their lives. If there’s no fruit, Matthew 7:21-23, people who do religious things, who use his name, who even perform miracles in his name, but Jesus calls them evil doers and says he never knew them, because they did religious things, but didn’t do the Father’s will, having spiritual activity, but no real obedience, an appearance of Godliness, but no genuine transformation.
 

Linda

New Member
Sep 9, 2025
36
10
8
76
Ladera Ranch Ca
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
1 Corinthians 15:31, this daily death is not a defeat, it is actually the path to freedom, because when the flesh loses its power, the spirit gains space to lead. When selfish desires are surrendered, Divine purpose begins to emerge. When pride is crucified, humility opens the door to wisdom. The spiritual journey is not about becoming perfect overnight, it is about learning how to surrender again and again, until the spirit becomes stronger than the flesh. Many people feel discouraged by their internal battles, they assume that struggling means they are failing spiritually, the struggle itself is proof that the spirit is alive within you, if there were no struggle, the flesh would already be in control.
If we surrender again and again we lost it all, since id imagine you refer to surrender as
A contuation in sinning?
There is nothing in any part of scripture
That speaks to anyone allowing sin to
Be a part of their life, since that only points
To not having ones heart and mind on Christ, yet, since when it is the choice to not sin
Overtakes the new nature, since thats dead,
Suppose to be anyway.
The battle ( if some want to call it) is choices,
So temptation doesnt get a foothold, if it does,
We arent Christian in the sense of giving
Our lives to Christ.

Saying no or yes is a choice, its why Jesus
Sweat blood being tempted by the Devil
To have all be given to Him without the
Death on the Cross, now, we arent facing
A crucifixion and yet some like to still
Think sin can be repented over and over,
But nothing in scripture says that Anywhere,
Yet ppl placate themselves in so doing, God
Doesnt agree, in fact He said, noone can
Have 2 masters and though ppl dont see that
God still does, so the battle of the members
To cave in to the devil as their master is not
The race, its a finish of ones own doing,
Thats what the bible says about it..
 

Linda

New Member
Sep 9, 2025
36
10
8
76
Ladera Ranch Ca
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
If we surrender again and again we lost it all, since id imagine you refer to surrender as
A contuation in sinning?
There is nothing in any part of scripture
That speaks to anyone allowing sin to
Be a part of their life, since that only points
To not having ones heart and mind on Christ, yet, since when it is the choice to not sin
Overtakes the new nature, since thats dead,
Suppose to be anyway.
The battle ( if some want to call it) is choices,
So temptation doesnt get a foothold, if it does,
We arent Christian in the sense of giving
Our lives to Christ.

Saying no or yes is a choice, its why Jesus
Sweat blood being tempted by the Devil
To have all be given to Him without the
Death on the Cross, now, we arent facing
A crucifixion and yet some like to still
Think sin can be repented over and over,
But nothing in scripture says that Anywhere,
Yet ppl placate themselves in so doing, God
Doesnt agree, in fact He said, noone can
Have 2 masters and though ppl dont see that
God still does, so the battle of the members
To cave in to the devil as their master is not
The race, its a finish of ones own doing,
Thats what the bible says about it..
Crucifying flesh is the act that removes
The chance to sin, its a proactive stance
That doesnt let sin win, so some are confused
In a purposely way, to crucify flesh is to
Stop sin from thought, word or deed.
Giving into sin is serving Satan.
 

newnature

Active Member
Mar 24, 2011
596
102
43
If we surrender again and again we lost it all, since id imagine you refer to surrender as
A contuation in sinning?
There is nothing in any part of scripture
That speaks to anyone allowing sin to
Be a part of their life, since that only points
To not having ones heart and mind on Christ, yet, since when it is the choice to not sin
Overtakes the new nature, since thats dead,
Suppose to be anyway.
The battle ( if some want to call it) is choices,
So temptation doesnt get a foothold, if it does,
We arent Christian in the sense of giving
Our lives to Christ.

Saying no or yes is a choice, its why Jesus
Sweat blood being tempted by the Devil
To have all be given to Him without the
Death on the Cross, now, we arent facing
A crucifixion and yet some like to still
Think sin can be repented over and over,
But nothing in scripture says that Anywhere,
Yet ppl placate themselves in so doing, God
Doesnt agree, in fact He said, noone can
Have 2 masters and though ppl dont see that
God still does, so the battle of the members
To cave in to the devil as their master is not
The race, its a finish of ones own doing,
Thats what the bible says about it..
Galatians 5:16, the line is drawn, because there are only two paths, there is no third, either you are walking by the flesh or you are walking by the spirit, there is no neutral zone, no spiritual Switzerland, you are either being led by sin or led by God. The flesh is not passive, it is hostile, it doesn’t want a truce with the spirit, it wants dominion. Paul says they are in conflict with each other, Galatians 5:17, not disagreement, not tension, conflict. That means when you feel torn, it’s not just emotion, it’s war, a war over your mind, your habits, your instincts, a war over who rules your temple, because while the spirit seeks to sanctify you, the flesh seeks to master you.
 

newnature

Active Member
Mar 24, 2011
596
102
43
Crucifying flesh is the act that removes
The chance to sin, its a proactive stance
That doesnt let sin win, so some are confused
In a purposely way, to crucify flesh is to
Stop sin from thought, word or deed.
Giving into sin is serving Satan.
Galatians 5:19, these are not just evil acts, it’s divided hearts, it’s not just what you do with your body, its what you harbor in your spirit. Anger, jealousy, selfishness, envy, these are not just bad habits, they are fruit of the flesh, that means the flesh has fruit too and it is just as visible, just as measurable. Paul doesn’t say, those who occasionally struggle with these things, he says, those who live like this will not inherit the Kingdom of God, Galatians 5:21. That’s not legalism, that’s clarity, because if the spirit has moved in, the fruit has to show. You cannot claim transformation and carry the same appetite for division, lust, rage and pride.
 

Linda

New Member
Sep 9, 2025
36
10
8
76
Ladera Ranch Ca
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Galatians 5:16, the line is drawn, because there are only two paths, there is no third, either you are walking by the flesh or you are walking by the spirit, there is no neutral zone, no spiritual Switzerland, you are either being led by sin or led by God. The flesh is not passive, it is hostile, it doesn’t want a truce with the spirit, it wants dominion. Paul says they are in conflict with each other, Galatians 5:17, not disagreement, not tension, conflict. That means when you feel torn, it’s not just emotion, it’s war, a war over your mind, your habits, your instincts, a war over who rules your temple, because while the spirit seeks to sanctify you, the flesh seeks to master you.
Beautiful reply
 
  • Like
Reactions: newnature