If sealed with the HS, how does one become UNsealed ?

[Grailhunter]

None of those references tells us those who are sealed by the holy spirit can be unsealed.

I believe this is because the Ephesians 4:30 verse tells us,we are sealed into the day of redemption.

1John 3:24
Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

The scriptures are Paul's letters sent to Christian churches as warning on sinning and what will send you to hell.
No ifs ands or buts,

 

[doctrox]

I trust His goodness more than the fear people try to spread.

Spot on. And it's so easy to be misconstrued within this limited medium.

While fear is an unclean spirit (2 Tim. 1:7), the Lord's mercies are new every morning (Lam 3:22).

It's one day at a time - all the way to the harvest.

 

[Ziggy]

When I think of unsealed, I think of indictments.
An indictment is sealed until it comes to court.
Could being sealed with the Holy Spirit be that,
we have the promise of being able to come before the judgment seat. And we ourselves become a book that needs to be unsealed.
And the books were opened, and they were judged by what was in those books.
What is in your heart, what is in your mind? You are a book.
Just thinking
Hugs

 

[Stumpmaster]

...again, the seal is an "earnest" - the HS 'down payment' on our inheritance. In the meantime, we must not default on our end of the deal.

... the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession (Eph. 1:4).

FWIW, the Old Testament relates occasions in which God's Spirit left someone, such as King Saul (1 Sam. 16:14) or Samson (Jud. 16:20).


For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. (Rom. 8:22-23)

Proves my point, exactly.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Just very clear scriptures that tell you what will send you to hell.

and the verses from Christ through Paul that teach a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed are ?

 

[PeterAndroz]

...again, the seal is an "earnest" - the HS 'down payment' on our inheritance. In the meantime, we must not default on our end of the deal.

... the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession (Eph. 1:4).

FWIW, the Old Testament relates occasions in which God's Spirit left someone, such as King Saul (1 Sam. 16:14) or Samson (Jud. 16:20).


For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. (Rom. 8:22-23)

and the verses from Paul that teach a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed are ?

 

[doctrox]

and the verses from Paul that teach a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed are ?

You are mischaracterizing the issue. Rather, the relevant question might be this: Is a man, a believer at the time of his sealing, inevitably guaranteed eternal life at the time of his judgement?

 

[NayborBear]

You mean, like, "almost preg"?

Why should I be concerned about 'grieving, saddening, upsetting or disappointing' the Holy Spirit if the "seal" ensures my salvation?

The seal is an earnest, a down payment, not a guarantee. IOW, in the meantime, do not default on the deal prior to redemption.

Because "THIS", or something LIKE this happens!:
Matthew 5:
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

Something "akin" to "Spiritual Jail" Where you're "held" UNTIL you post bond!

 

[PeterAndroz]

You are mischaracterizing the issue. Rather, the relevant question might be this: Is a man, a believer at the time of his sealing, inevitably guaranteed eternal life at his judgement?

Are you able to list the verses where Paul teaches that a sealed believer can become UNsealed ?
If so, please list them

 

[doctrox]

Are you able to list the verses where Paul teaches that a sealed believer can become UNsealed ?

Please list the verses where Paul says a sealed believer is guaranteed salvation.

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise (Eph. 1:13) [and for the next 50 years, it's still your choice to continue, or to not continue, in him].

According to the passage above, someone first heard, then trusted, then believed, then was sealed. Perhaps they remained in the world for the next 50 years. Then they died. At the judgment, what determines whether they receive eternal life or not? Is it the sealing from 50 years ago?

 

[PeterAndroz]

Please list the verses where Paul says a sealed believer is guaranteed salvation.

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise (and for the next 50 years, it's still you choice to continue, or to not continue).

According the the passage above, someone first heard, then trusted, then believed, then was sealed. Then they remained in the world for the next 50 years. Then they died. At the judgment, what determines whether they receive eternal life or not? Is it the sealing from 50 years ago?

-----------"""Please list the verses where Paul says a sealed believer is guaranteed salvation.
That would be the verses where Paul teaches a sealed believer can become UNsealed
List away :)

 

[Ziggy]

Eph 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

unto the day of redemption.

Hos 13:14
I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.
Luk 21:28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

1Co 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55
O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1Co 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 15:58
Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Dan 7:10
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Rev 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

blotted out don't sound good at all.
If you are saved and your name is in the book of life, it seems there is a possibility that name can also be blotted out?

In other words. unsealed?
Thinking..
Hugs

 

[PeterAndroz]

Eph 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

unto the day of redemption.

Hos 13:14
I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.
Luk 21:28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

1Co 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55
O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1Co 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 15:58
Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Dan 7:10
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Rev 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

blotted out don't sound good at all.
If you are saved and your name is in the book of life, it seems there is a possibility that name can also be blotted out?

In other words. unsealed?
Thinking..
Hugs

Hos, Luke, Rev, Dan is not Paul
Where does Paul teach a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed ?

 

[Grailhunter]

and the verses from Christ through Paul that teach a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed are ?

Are saying the verse I gave Paul was a lie or was he just kidding?
Are these more lies?
Hebrews 6:4-8
4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7: For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Hebrews 10: 26-31
26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27: But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28: He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30: For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Are saying the verse I gave Paul was a lie or was he just kidding?
Are these more lies?
Hebrews 6:4-8
4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7: For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Hebrews 10: 26-31
26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27: But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28: He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30: For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Where does Scripture teach Paul wrote Hebrews ? NOWHERE
Try again GH :)
and the verses from Christ through Paul that teach a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed are

 

[doctrox]

Please list the verses where Paul says a sealed believer is guaranteed salvation.

There aren't any.

That would be the verses where Paul teaches a sealed believer can become UNsealed

No, your statement does not equate with my statement.

unto the day of redemption.

That is the key, hence "tick, tick, tick..." and overcoming over time.

Rev 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

and

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. (Rev. 2:11)

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations (Rev. 2:26)

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (Rev. 3:21)

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. (Rev. 21:7)

Hos, Luke, Rev, Dan is not Paul
Where does Paul teach a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed ?

Rather, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. (1 Tim. 3:16-17)

 

[PeterAndroz]

There aren't any.


No, your statement does not equate with my statement.


That is the key, hence "tick, tick, tick..." and overcoming over time.


and

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. (Rev. 2:11)

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations (Rev. 2:26)

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (Rev. 3:21)

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. (Rev. 21:7)


Rather, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. (1 Tim, 3:16)

Still having problems with the original question ?
Try again doc :)
and the verses from Christ through Paul that teach a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed are

 

[doctrox]

Still having problems with the original question ?

Never have. The "problems" are not mine.
"sealing" ≠ "salvation"

Godspeed, my friend.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Never have. The "problems" are not mine.
"sealing" ≠ "salvation"

Godspeed, my friend.

and the verses from Christ through Paul that teach a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed are
Keep trying doc :)

 

[Grailhunter]

Where does Scripture teach Paul wrote Hebrews ? NOWHERE
Try again GH :)
and the verses from Christ through Paul that teach a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed are

There are some questions about Hebrews. Called Hebrew but the word Jew is not in it.
You have very few scriptures to support your position, I have given you quite a few.
Care to explain the discrepancy between scriptures. Take them one at a time.