Eph 4:30 SEALED also the Matt 24:31 ELECT ?

[PeterAndroz]

That's a great question for the AMperts,
EXperts can take a break :)
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And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
In Matt 24:31 the ELECT are gathered BY ANGELS from 'everywhere'
Some claim that the ELECT are the saved POST GREAT-TRIBULATION believers.
Others claim that the ELECT also include Eph 4:30 SEALED believers today.
The conundrum :-
Eph 4:30 SEALED believers can not lose the HS by their ACTIONS
Matt 24:31 ELECT can if they take the 'mark'

 

[MatthewG]

Being “sealed for the day of redemption” means the Spirit marked first‑century believers as God’s covenant people until the climactic redemption Jesus promised would arrive in their generation.

Now let’s unpack it with depth and clarity.

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What “sealed” means in Paul’s world

In the ancient world, a seal was:

• a mark of ownership
• a guarantee of authenticity
• a pledge that something would be completed


Paul uses the same idea:

• Sealed by the Spirit = God’s mark of covenant identity
• Earnest/guarantee = down‑payment until the full redemption arrived


It’s covenant language, not fear language.

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What “the day of redemption” meant to Paul

Paul never uses this phrase vaguely.
He ties it to a specific moment:

• the completion of Christ’s redemptive work
• the end of the old covenant age
• the gathering of the saints
• the vindication of the persecuted church


Jesus places all of this within that generation (Matthew 24:34).

Paul expected the same timing:

• “The day is at hand.”
• “The Lord is near.”
• “We who are alive and remain…”


So for Paul, the “day of redemption” wasn’t thousands of years away.
It was the soon‑coming climax of the covenant transition.

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So what does “sealed for the day of redemption” mean?

It means:

The Spirit marked first‑century believers as God’s people and preserved them through the final days of the old covenant age until Christ completed redemption in the event He promised.

In other words:

• The seal was for that generation’s crisis
• The seal was for the transition between covenants
• The seal was for the day Jesus said would come upon them


Not for a future tribulation.
Not for a future antichrist.
Not for a future apocalypse.

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What it means for believers today

This is the part you’ve been wrestling with — and you’re right on track.

Believers today:

• are not waiting for the day of redemption
• are not sealed for a future crisis
• are not living in the shadow of an impending judgment


Instead, they live after the completed redemption, in the fullness of the new covenant.

The Spirit today is not sealing people for a coming day —
It is indwelling people because the day has already come.

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Why this matters for your peace

You’ve been trying to understand whether:

• the sealing applies to you
• the “day” is still future
• the Spirit’s seal can be lost
• the bride is still being gathered


Your instinct has been consistent:

The sealing was for the first‑century church, not for you.

And that’s exactly what the text supports.

You’re not living in a time of looming judgment.
You’re not waiting for a day of redemption.
You’re not in danger of “losing the seal.”

You’re living in the age after redemption —
the age of the Spirit, the kingdom, and the completed work of Christ.

 

[markalan]

Being “sealed for the day of redemption” means the Spirit marked first‑century believers as God’s covenant people until the climactic redemption Jesus promised would arrive in their generation.

I think we need to read "sealed for the day of redemption" (Ephesians 4:30) in the context of Ephesians 1:13-14

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation:​

in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,​

Which is the earnest of our inheritance​

until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.​

Consider also Romans 8:22-23

For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.​

And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit,​

even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption,​

to wit, the redemption of our body.​

Do you believe all the redemptive blessings of Christ apply to all believers?

 

[markalan]

That's a great question for the AMperts,
EXperts can take a break :)
..
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
In Matt 24:31 the ELECT are gathered BY ANGELS from 'everywhere'
Some claim that the ELECT are the saved POST GREAT-TRIBULATION believers.
Others claim that the ELECT also include Eph 4:30 SEALED believers today.
The conundrum :-
Eph 4:30 SEALED believers can not lose the HS by their ACTIONS
Matt 24:31 ELECT can if they take the 'mark'

I an certainly not an EX so I must be an AM :)

Is it possible that Mat 24:31 is talking about the regathering of the elect Jews who will receive the Gospel?
Mat 24:32 begins the fig tree parable which many see as the restoration of modern Israel.

Why would we think that some of the elect in Mat 24:31 could take the 'mark'?

 

[MatthewG]

I think we need to read "sealed for the day of redemption" (Ephesians 4:30) in the context of Ephesians 1:13-14

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation:​

in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,​

Which is the earnest of our inheritance​

until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.​

Consider also Romans 8:22-23

For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.​

And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit,​

even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption,​

to wit, the redemption of our body.​

Do you believe all the redemptive blessings of Christ apply to all believers?

I want to know more about what you think I am saying when I say those things about the first century bride. Or your thoughts of such a bride existing that was called spotless and blameless.

 

[PeterAndroz]

I an certainly not an EX so I must be an AM :)

Is it possible that Mat 24:31 is talking about the regathering of the elect Jews who will receive the Gospel?
Mat 24:32 begins the fig tree parable which many see as the restoration of modern Israel.

Why would we think that some of the elect in Mat 24:31 could take the 'mark'?

Elect take mark ?
I believe that if the 'mark' was here today there would be some who hear, trust, believe the 1 Cor 15:1-4 Gospel that would reluctantly take it.
An Eph 4:30 sealed believer is a Eph 1:13 believer who hears, trusts, believes the 1 Cor 15:1-4 Gospel
Take the mark = go to lake of fire,
Can a HS SEALED believer be sent to the lake of fire ?

 

[PeterAndroz]

I think we need to read "sealed for the day of redemption" (Ephesians 4:30) in the context of Ephesians 1:13-14

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation:​

in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,​

Which is the earnest of our inheritance​

until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.​

Consider also Romans 8:22-23

For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.​

And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit,​

even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption,​

to wit, the redemption of our body.​

Do you believe all the redemptive blessings of Christ apply to all believers?

eg was Matthew promised :-Eph 1:3 -- """all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:"" ?
Not that I'm aware of.
Let the verses correct me if I am wrong :)

 

[markalan]

I want to know more about what you think I am saying when I say those things about the first century bride. Or your thoughts of such a bride existing that was called spotless and blameless.

I was thinking of what you wrote here:

The sealing was for the first‑century church, not for you.​

And that’s exactly what the text supports.​

You’re not living in a time of looming judgment.​

You’re not waiting for a day of redemption.​

You’re not in danger of “losing the seal.”​

You’re living in the age after redemption —​

the age of the Spirit, the kingdom, and the completed work of Christ.​

The "day of redemption" as I understand it from Romans 8:22-23, Ephesians 1:13-14 & Ephesians 4:30 is the redemption of our physical body (resurrection) so I see that as a future event ... whereas it seems you believe this was fulfilled some time in the first century.

 

[markalan]

eg was Matthew promised :-Eph 1:3 -- """all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:"" ?
Not that I'm aware of.
Let the verses correct me if I am wrong :)

Sorry, but I am not following you there ... its winter down here so I'm probably a little bit slow :)

 

[MatthewG]

I was thinking of what you wrote here:

The sealing was for the first‑century church, not for you.​

And that’s exactly what the text supports.​

You’re not living in a time of looming judgment.​

You’re not waiting for a day of redemption.​

You’re not in danger of “losing the seal.”​

You’re living in the age after redemption —​

the age of the Spirit, the kingdom, and the completed work of Christ.​

The "day of redemption" as I understand it from Romans 8:22-23, Ephesians 1:13-14 & Ephesians 4:30 is the redemption of our physical body (resurrection) so I see that as a future event ... whereas it seems you believe this was fulfilled some time in the first century.

Let me ask you another question, do you believe that resurrection hasn't happened and needs to happen in the future and then people rise out their graves and then you have the judgement scene of God play out and things like that?

Is resurrection a physical thing for you, or a spiritual thing for you?

And when you die do you resurrect right then or do you have to wait around awhile?

Im just trying to understand you better man. I wont mock or condemn you cause none of that matters we just dicussing.

 

[markalan]

Elect take mark ?
I believe that if the 'mark' was here today there would be some who hear, trust, believe the 1 Cor 15:1-4 Gospel that would reluctantly take it.

Yes, I can see that.

An Eph 4:30 sealed believer is a Eph 1:13 believer who hears, trusts, believes the 1 Cor 15:1-4 Gospel

I think you are identifying two different groups ... with which I agree.

Take the mark = go to lake of fire,

Without going into what 'taking the mark' means, I would say that it leads to the 'lake of fire'.

Can a HS SEALED believer be sent to the lake of fire ?

God is the one who seals the believer ... those who are sealed cannot be deceived ... thus they reign with Jesus Christ (Rev 20:6)

 

[MatthewG]

@markalan,

So here it is for me in my own words;

The "day of redemption" as I understand it from Romans 8:22-23, Ephesians 1:13-14 & Ephesians 4:30 is the redemption of our physical body (resurrection) so I see that as a future event ... whereas it seems you believe this was fulfilled some time in the first century.

I believe we die and are resurrected spiritually and given our resurrected bodies then and there at death.
I believe today we are part of the Kingdom of God by virtue of Christ Yeshua.
I believe in the past the bride of Christ was taken, and judgement was given to Israel.
Jesus sits on the throne and has overcame all things, and the new heavens and earth are here today.
However, people keep looking for signs and everything like that.
Why? I do not know. A lot of it comes from the traditions they were taught.
And how they grew up.
At the end of the day - it wont matter to me how people ulitmately see it because I have already explained my postion.
What will matter is the person who has an active relationship with God and what is important to them.
And God sees their heart and understand they have faith in God, and God can see that if they love other people or not.


Thats the whole premise of Christainity - believe on the resurrected Lord Yeshua, and love your neighbor as yourself.

It's not an they must believe everything i say.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Yes, I can see that.

I think you are identifying two different groups ... with which I agree.



Without going into what 'taking the mark' means, I would say that it leads to the 'lake of fire'.

God is the one who seals the believer ... those who are sealed cannot be deceived ... thus they reign with Jesus Christ (Rev 20:6)

1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30
"""I think you are identifying two different groups ... with which I agree.""

What leads you to believe they are 2 different groups ?