If sealed with the HS, how does one become UNsealed ?

[Taken]

In the end Dan, @Taken all our bickering makes no sense,

…

Opposites / Disagreements make perfect sense to me.

our names in the Book of Life are written before A&E were created, the Lord God knows our outcome even before we were born.

No dispute.
And…In THAT “Book of Life”, names / Of they rejecting God, can, shall be blotted out., forgotten.

And THEN, among “other BOOKS”, there IS:
The “LAMBS BOOK of LIFE”.
* Their Names become “Entered” in His Book, during their mortal Lifetime…
* Because the individual …
“Confessed” (by his Word) his True Heartful Belief…
And
“surrendered his Life unto Death”, Verifying his TRUE Belief.
(And unlike “a member on this forum who does not search and verify, What THEY Hear)…
God Searches and Verifies What He Hears…
That It be True…
“THEN IF True”…
Is that mans Name “ENTERED, into…
The Lambs Book of Life …
And can NEVER be blotted Out.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
John 10:28 give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Yes… Once and Forever they Are securely SAVED.

While I can't imagine a truly born again will leave the faith or after a period of holiness starts to backslide living in sin, it does happen.

You unbelief in… John 10:28…does NOT, change the Truth of Eternal Life for those assuredly Saved forever by the Lamb of God…and their name recorded in the Lambs Book of Life.



Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

Rev 13:
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev 21:
[27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

can name 3 biblical exceptions, but look around in the world, let's begin with the millions who lost faith because of evolution theory, they stopped hearing Jesus voice because they did not trust the Scriptures any longer.

So? Believers NOT written IN the SURETY of the Lambs Book of Life…
“have, can, will” Fall away from Faith.

They IN the Lambs Book of Life…
Confessed by their Word and Surrender of their Life…THEY are KEPT Secure by the Power of God… IN Them

“IN Christ”… ring a bell?
“Power of God IS Christ”…ring a bell?

They who NEVER “confessed” or “surrendered their Life”…
Are NOT in the Lambs Book of Life.
Are NOT secure by Christs Power IN them.
THEY rely on their “own power”.

Did you not heed the Warning?
Demons, High offices of men, (and modernly kings, rulers, parents, teachers, scientists, celebrities, social medias…) routinely influence, people (not secure in Gods Power), to Reject God / Fall from Faith!
( and even now, it is occurring on a grand scale!)

What does THAT have to Do with the Secure, IN the Power of Christ who ARE, Once And Eternally Saved?

Nothing!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

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And I never get a reply to:

The Differences Between What MEN freely Choose…
And the CONSEQUENCES FOR their Choices…
Has repeatedly been STEP by STEP Revealed in Scripture and On this Forum…

No one else can read, study, learn, verify, understand For you.

You fail to understand…common knowledge…
Scripture is ALL True.
ALL Scripture DOES NOT apply to every individual.

If… a scripture says… take care of your own household…
And YOU have No HOUSE, No DEPENDENTS…
That Scripture Does NOT Apply to you!

Pretending “YOU” are qualified to Dictate what does and does not Personally Apply to others, especially strangers…
Is laughable and ridiculous.

If your Salvation is NOT Secure, Given Once, AND Kept Forever, IN the Power of God, who IS Christ…
That is YOUR dilemma.

When my Salvation, BY MY choosing, Became MADE Secure, Given Once AND Kept forever, IN the Power of God, who IS Christ…
That is the Consequence FOR MY Choice, And Gods Faithful Promise FULFILLED.

Does NOT apply to me.…—->

1 Cor 1:
[18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Does Apply to me —->

[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GodsGrace]

The Differences Between What MEN freely Choose…
And the CONSEQUENCES FOR their Choices…
Has repeatedly been STEP by STEP Revealed in Scripture and On this Forum…

No one else can read, study, learn, verify, understand For you.

You fail to understand…common knowledge…
Scripture is ALL True.
ALL Scripture DOES NOT apply to every individual.

If… a scripture says… take care of your own household…
And YOU have No HOUSE, No DEPENDENTS…
That Scripture Does NOT Apply to you!

Pretending “YOU” are qualified to Dictate what does and does not Personally Apply to others, especially strangers…
Is laughable and ridiculous.

If your Salvation is NOT Secure, Given Once, AND Kept Forever, IN the Power of God, who IS Christ…
That is YOUR dilemma.

When my Salvation, BY MY choosing, Became MADE Secure, Given Once AND Kept forever, IN the Power of God, who IS Christ…
That is the Consequence FOR MY Choice, And Gods Faithful Promise FULFILLED.

Does NOT apply to me.…—->

1 Cor 1:
[18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Does Apply to me —->

[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.


Glory to God,
Taken

No scripture to back up your statements.

So, once again, you have posted your OPINION.

Typical.

 

[mailmandan]

Yes sir.
Your wish is my command.

Here's a little more creative work for you to do:

John 15:1-2
1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;

Now take you time and explain how the branch is not really attached to the vine.
or
Explain how TAKES AWAY really means LIFT UP,,,you know how vine keepers go around LIFTING UP leaves or tie them to the vine.

Except that HERE is what happens to the branches that God TOOK AWAY/CUT OFF because they were not producing fruit:

John 15:6
6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

Now...go ahead and explain how Jesus didn't REALLY mean what He THINKS He meant.

It's almost blasphemous.

What happened to discussing 1 Corinthians 3:4-15? Now it's back to John 15:1-6? You certainly have your pet verses. John 15:1-2 does not teach that born-again believers lose salvation. Jesus mentions branches that bear no fruit (make believers, like Judas Iscariot) and branches that bear fruit, (genuine believers, like the remaining 11 disciples) but Jesus says nothing about branches that bear fruit but then later stop bearing fruit. A fruitless branch shows outward connection without inward life. That is why it is taken away. Judas Iscariot proves that outward connection to Christ is not the same as inward cleansing by Christ. In John 13:10, Jesus said, “You are clean, but not all of you." (John 13:10). Then John explains, “For he knew who should betray him; therefore, said he, you are not all clean.” (John 13:11)

Branches that have a vital connection with Christ as the vine bear fruit because life is in them. False professors may appear to have a vital connection with Christ as the vine for a season, but bearing no fruit exposes no vital connection and no spiritual life. So, the Father removes fruitless professors. Christ does not lose His sheep. John 15 cannot be used to negate John 6 and 10. That would make Jesus contradict Himself. Jesus already said, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day" (John 6:39-40) and “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish or be snatched from my hand. (John 10:27-28). If they perish, then Jesus lost them, they were snatched from His hand, and it was not eternal life.

In regard to John 15:6, the Greek word for “abide” is "meno" which means to remain, tarry, not to depart, continue to be present. Abiding in Christ is not a special level of Christian experience that is only available to a few, elite Christians, but is the position of all true believers. 1 John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

 

[mailmandan]

In the end Dan, @Taken all our bickering makes no sense, our names in the Book of Life are written before A&E were created, the Lord God knows our outcome even before we were born.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

And there are the if's again, 2 conditions in verse 27.

While I can't imagine a truly born again will leave the faith or after a period of holiness starts to backslide living in sin, it does happen. I can name 3 biblical exceptions, but look around in the world, let's begin with the millions who lost faith because of evolution theory, they stopped hearing Jesus voice because they did not trust the Scriptures any longer.

Dan, maybe you remember Mark-Edwards from the old (2008) forum, a brilliant Bible student, always defending the Scriptures and then the unthinkable happened, first he started to question the Trinity, then later declared the whole Bible unreliable, left the faith and created anti-Christian websites in the style of Bart Ehrman. His intellect became his Achilles heel.

Note what Jesus said to (notable) Peter -

Luke 22:31 “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat,
Luke 22:32 but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail.

What if the satan demands to have you and like with Job gets permission, testing your vulnerabilities. Pray to the Lord He will pray for you that your faith may not fail.

Don't rely on your own strength you will overcome when you are tested, that's pride, pray.

Luke 22:40 And when he came to the place, he said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.”
Luke 22:46 and he said to them, “Why are you sleeping? Rise and pray that you may not enter into temptation.”

In John 10:27-28, we read - My sheep hear My voice, (not some of them hear His voice and some of them don't hear His voice) and I know them, (not some of them He knows and some of them He doesn't know) and they follow Me. (not some of them follow Him and some of them don't follow Him) And I give them eternal life, (not some of them He gives eternal life and some of them He doesn't give eternal life) and they shall never perish; (not some of them will never perish and some of them will perish) neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. (not some of them will never be snatched out of His hand and some of them will be snatched out of His hand)

I don't see the word "if" in verse 27 but I see three conditional confirmations. People who lose faith were never firmly rooted and established in faith that saves to begin with. There are many "professing" Christians (nominal Christians) who merely have a shallow, temporary faith that was never firmly rooted from the start and fails when tested. Now although Peter had his weak moments, his faith did not ultimately fail, because it was authentic faith in Jesus. (Matthew 16:16) Jesus prayed and had his back. To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ: (Jude 1:1) Apart from Christ in our own strength we are nothing.

 

[Taken]

No scripture to back up your statements.

Nothing new, lazy as were they in Thessalonia!


Acts 17:
[11] These (in Brea) “were more noble than those in Thessalonica”, in that they(in Brea) received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.