The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

[WPM]

"""all the saved are chosen
Do you believe GOD randomly picks numbers out of a hat as to who will be saved or knows based on foreknowledge ?
1 Tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Check out who the "usward" are who Peter is talking to and you will get the meaning.

 

[WPM]

So, you're only wanting to be more respectful with me and not with him? Why not try to be more respectful with everyone?


I addressed a post you made about Matthew 19:28, Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 3:21 and all I hear is crickets in response. That's what frustrates WPM and I about you. We take the time to address all of your points and you don't do the same in kind. You usually discuss things for a day or two and then you never address our latest posts and then you come back some time later (weeks or months) and start another topic.


When you make these types of arguments you should make it clear that you're addressing the view of certain Amils and not all Amils. You should not lump all Amils together as if they all believe everything the same just as we Amils should not try to lump all Premils in together as if they all believe everything the same.


I appreciate that. We can discuss these things respectfully without the name calling and accusations. It may not be easy at times, but we can do it.

He knows what he is doing. This is calculated. He has no interest in dialogue - only stirring the pot, misrepresenting Amil, hit and run and creating division.

 

[PeterAndroz]

How did you just completely miss the point of my post? Did you not read what was being discussed? My point is that agreeing with a Jehovah's Witness or Mormon that Jesus died and was resurrected from the dead does not make you a Jehovah's Witness or a Mormon. I was saying that in response to someone foolishly trying to claim that I'm a preterist just because I believe Matthew 24:15-21 relates to what occurred in 70 AD. That's the only passage in all of Matthew 24 and 25 that I believe relates to what happened in 70 AD. That doesn't make me a preterist. Otherwise, everyone who believes that anything was fulfilled in the past is a preterist. Preterists believe that all or most of Matthew 24 and 25 was fulfilled by 70 AD. I don't believe that.

Hey Si, it's easy to sometime miss points, happens a lot to me too.
>>>>""I believe Matthew 24:15-21 relates to what occurred in 70 AD""

Matt 24:21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Do you believe the 70AD levelling of Jerusalem is a greater tribulation event than :-


Or the 1931 China floods :-

 

[PeterAndroz]

Check out who the "usward" are who Peter is talking to and you will get the meaning.

For you, does 1 Tim 2:4, 2 Pet 3:9 teach that GOD randomly in advance chooses who is not saved ?

 

[Marilyn C]

There is NO CONUNDRUM with Zechariah 14 except by those who refuse to believe that the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week" (70th) has not been fulfilled yet today.


The events in Zechariah 14 parallel the events for the end all throughout the New Testament Books. In particular, the two angels that appeared to Christ's Apostles at the Mount of Olives revealed Lord Jesus will return in like manner as He was seen ascending to Heaven from that Mount of Olives. The Zechariah 14 Scripture completes that picture, because it says Jesus' feet will touch down on the Mount of Olives at His future return.

But what has men's doctrines done with how Jesus returns? A good portion of deceived brethren think they are going to be raptured to heaven off the earth to live in the clouds above the earth, when that ain't gonna' happen. It is not written. That idea happened because of Biblically illiterate men trying to preach when God didn't call those. They are almost totally ignorant of how Apostle Philip was "caught up" and relocated to another place ON EARTH after he had witnessed to the Ethiopian in the chariot.

When Lord Jesus returns on the "last trump", those of us still alive on earth will be suddenly 'changed', casting off our flesh body with our "spiritual body" revealed, and then "caught up" to Jesus and the asleep saints He brings with Him on His way to.................... the Mount of Olives on earth. That Zechariah 14 Chapter simply completes that picture. Apostle Paul did not show exactly where... Christ's Church will be brought to after being "caught up", but Zechariah 14 does show it.


So when one hears of Christ Jesus gathering His faithful Church to any other place besides the Mount of Olives on earth, then you know they are pushing doctrines of men, and not staying with the actual Bible Scripture.

`they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds with power & great glory. And He will send His angels..` (Matt.24: 30 & 31)

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

`the Son of Man… comes in His own glory, and in His Father`s, in the glory of the holy angels.` (Luke 9: 26)

`when Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God,..` (2 Thess. 1: 7)

 

[PeterAndroz]

`they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds with power & great glory. And He will send His angels..` (Matt.24: 30 & 31)

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

`the Son of Man… comes in His own glory, and in His Father`s, in the glory of the holy angels.` (Luke 9: 26)

`when Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God,..` (2 Thess. 1: 7)

Those events happened when ? Yet future :)