The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

[Marty fox]

The Bible does NOT indicate "A" or "THE" great tribulation. Strong's Concordance confirms this. Nowhere in the Bible can you find (KJV) a or the great tribulation. Why? I believe it's because "great tribulation" is NOT limited to any single event or period throughout history. But is what the church on earth is called to endure throughout all ages, especially as the time of Christ' coming again grows nearer.

The Olivet Discourse was not spoken for ethnic Jews, warning the nation of Israel what shall soon befall them through apostasy. The Discourse is spoken to the first disciples of Christ, who at that time were, Messianic or Christian Jews. Christ is warning Christians, beginning with them, as well as all faithful Christians throughout the ages until the end of the final age about all that shall befall the church as faithful disciples preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ.

The destruction of the Jewish city and temple was not the primary focus of the Discourse. That's why when they ask Christ about the destruction, He only says it will be utterly destroyed.

Revelation 7
4 I answered, “Sir, you know.”

And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Well it does but the word "The" separates it from other great tribulations

 

[Marty fox]

Doesn't mtter if those times were Jesus or not. The first advent is the first, and there is only one more according to the bible.

Thanks for your prayers, I'm glad our debating and frustrations issues are never personal LOL we are all still on the same side

first advent is the first, and there is only one more according to the bible.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 7
4 I answered, “Sir, you know.”

And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Well it does but the word "The" separates it from other great tribulations

Some translations don't include the word "the" there because it's not in the original manuscripts. I don't believe that verse is talking about any particular great tribulation time period or event, but rather is talking generally about believers around the world enduring great tribulation until death and coming out of great tribulation.

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

 

[Marty fox]

Some translations don't include the word "the" there because it's not in the original manuscripts. I don't believe that verse is talking about any particular great tribulation time period or event, but rather is talking generally about believers around the world enduring great tribulation until death and coming out of great tribulation.

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

I believe that's its called "the great tribulation" because it will never end in our world. It started the day Stephen was killed and is still happening today.

 

[ewq1938]

Thanks for your prayers, I'm glad our debating and frustrations issues are never personal LOL we are all still on the same side

Definitely praying for both of your wives. :)

 

[ewq1938]

I believe that's its called "the great tribulation" because it will never end in our world. It started the day Stephen was killed and is still happening today.

In the Textus Receptus and other manuscripts the "the" is not present. I don't believe the text is speaking of a specific tribulation but great/bad tribulation people have gone through over time.

 

[ewq1938]

No that’s not true who walked with Adam in the garden?

The Father. I would think it is Him in most of the OT examples you might be thinking of. But, I don't consider possible OT appearances of the one we call Jesus as an official coming because the bible only gives two, physical comings, as the only two (birth and when he comes "the second time"). The leaving and returning after the cross was not physical like the first and second coming which is why the NT does not place it as the second coming.