How Confidant Are You Being Saved?

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How Confident Are You Being Saved on a scale of 1-10; 10 being totally confident?


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marks

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There ARE (how can I say) "situations or scenarios" in these "church settings" so to speak, "where and when" volunteers who "set up, host and tear down these church activities? Which are quite pleasant btw, to a newcomer to these "events" so to speak.
Yet? Over time? One starts noticing and asking questions concerning: "Why are the SAME people ALWAYS doing this?" "Why isn't anyone else volunteering?"
And? I can give you an answer to this! As I was 1 of several of these "volunteers" that were ALWAYS setting up for these events, and ALWAYS 1 of several of these SAME volunteers that tore down these events.
BY FAR the biggest reason is: Peoples LACK OF RESPECT FOR "CHURCH PROPERTY!"
As "some" people just don't care about something that isn't THEIRS! THIS? Costs money to replace! Yanno?
Another "item" of contention, is that old saying: "A PLACE for EVERYTHING!" "And EVERYTHING, IN ITS PLACE!"
Meaning? People for a larger rather than smaller part? Don't CARE where they put stuff when "events" are finished. So when the NEXT event is to be held? Ya have everyone and their brother LOOKING for components for the event and just "WHERE THE HECK DID THEY PUT it/THEM?"

Anyway? I think you get the idea. It's called "Getting burnt out!"
The last church I attended I was one of those "volunteers!" And? After 4 YEARS of going back and forth to church 7 days a week?
Takes a toll on a guy yanno?

Just wondering here if You've encountered anything like this? :contemplate:
I have a rather different perspective on "the fellowship of serving".

I'll consider what I might say to add to this convo.

Much love!
 
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That's not in the Bible.
Ez 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

2 pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

but remember we don't have the doctrine of "the bible is the only authority"!

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Ez 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

2 pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

but remember we don't have the doctrine of "the bible is the only authority"!

thks
I realize you don't.
You also don't believe Christ alone saves you.

You have my deepest sympathies.
 
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Yes,you did.
See below.
Firstly, I wrote that after you made your comment, secondly, draw and called are two different things, different words, different meanings.

This is not a straightforward convo, no need to continue.

Much love!
 
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Firstly, I wrote that after you make your comment, secondly, draw and called are two different things, different words, different meanings.

This is not a straightforward convo, no need to continue.

Much love
I appreciate the consideration for my time.
Thank you.
 
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Maybe you don't get out too much . . .
Context.

Jesus did not teach that everyone is called.
Those who are called are those to whom those verses regarding faith and the believer apply.

If everyone were predestined,there wouldn't be a book containing the names of those God intended for his grace before the world was created.
all!
Lk 2:10-11
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. (all people)

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. (whole world)

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (everyone)

only Christ is the seed and predestined

not all respond I know!

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When Jesus invited me, I then prayed for salvation and the Holy Spirit.
really, you never presented yourself as a candidate for discipleship to the apostolic church (the faith community) received instruction in the christian faith, and baptism?

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all!
Lk 2:10-11
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. (all people)

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. (whole world)

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (everyone)
Good news to all people,yes. That does not say all people are saved.

If all were to be saved, Jesus would not have said salvation is conditioned upon God calling those whom he chooses to him.

Jesus was very clear in many passages as to whom God calls to his grace.
only Christ is the seed and predestined
That's not what God says.
not all respond I know!

thks
 

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but it does rest on us as well, after the initial grace of justification "we must participate" unto eternal salvation!

perseverance is not automatic!
You have gathered a long list of commands, warnings, and evidences of spiritual life, then used them to support something none of them actually says. Scripture commands believers to obey, endure, pray, bear fruit, and follow Christ. But Scripture never says that Christ provides an “initial justification” and then waits for our works to finish saving us.

Paul did not leave this open for debate: “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness” ~Romans 4:5. He did not say God justifies the ungodly after they have produced enough obedience. He said righteousness is counted to the one who believes apart from works.

You say salvation rests upon us as well. Scripture says, “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us” ~Titus 3:5. You say we must participate unto eternal salvation. Scripture says believers are “justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus” ~Romans 3:24. Freely does not mean partly earned, partly maintained, or finally completed by man.

Good works have a necessary place, but you have put them in the wrong place. “For by grace are ye saved through faith… not of works” comes before, “created in Christ Jesus unto good works” ~Ephesians 2:8-10. Works follow salvation because God has made the believer His workmanship. They do not purchase salvation, preserve justification, or add anything to the finished work of Christ.

Yes, Christ’s sheep follow Him. Yes, true faith perseveres and bears fruit. A faith that produces no obedience is dead ~James 2:17. But Christ did not say, “My sheep keep themselves saved by following Me.” He said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28. Their obedience identifies them as His sheep. His power is what keeps them.

You quoted commands to abide and endure, but ignored the power behind that endurance. Believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation” ~1 Peter 1:5. Paul says, “It is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure” ~Philippians 2:13. Perseverance is real, but it is not man rescuing Christ’s unfinished work. It is God carrying His own work to completion.

“He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” ~Philippians 1:6. That verse does not say God begins the work and man finishes it. Christ is not a half-Savior. He does not justify a sinner temporarily, place him on spiritual probation, and then wait to see whether his works deserve eternal life.

The conscience must face the question plainly. Are you trusting Christ to save you completely, or are you trusting Christ to begin saving you while your obedience completes the transaction? Those are not the same gospel. “And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace” ~Romans 11:6.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, but Christ alone is its foundation. Anyone who moves works from the evidence of salvation to the basis or completion of salvation has corrupted grace and given man something to boast about. Scripture shuts that door: “Where is boasting then? It is excluded” ~Romans 3:27.
 
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you died?
you were judged?

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men onceto die, but after this the judgment:

thks
Yes. But many do not consider fully and therefore do not insert “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live" in where it occurs in the life of those who are born again of the spirit of God.

So, yes, I died in 1986--but I live!

Meaning, as God said, "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die”--in my day under the sun, I came to die, and did. But now live according to the promise and work of Christ. And then, yes, my body of flesh will "pass away" like "the heavens and the earth" when the times are fulfilled. Meaning also, that just as Paul also came to say, "it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me", I too am here for a purpose, as are you if you have Christ in you.

Such is the good news of Christ!
 
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