If sealed with the HS, how does one become UNsealed ?

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Grailhunter

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I don’t understand where you get off speaking to me like this like I asked you for a pep talk and a pat on the back. It’s weird and strange.

I know my background and history. You do not.

You can look at that way or a friend is going to tell you when your zipper is down, someone that does not care will laugh and let you walk around that way.
 

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You can look at that way or a friend is going to tell you when your zipper is down, someone that does not care will laugh and let you walk around that way.

No — I see it as condescending and judgmental, and it’s different from what you were saying earlier.

I’m not angry with you, but this is the direction you chose to take the conversation.

I’ve told many people on here the same thing: you’re not my dad, and you don’t get to speak to me like you have authority over my life.

I’m a free individual, and I’m allowed to make my own choices regardless of how others feel about what I “should” or “shouldn’t” do.

You may be older than me, but that doesn’t give you the right to talk down to me and then brush it off afterward.

I forgive you, but I’m straightforward, and I don’t have the time or patience for comments that come across that way.

I’m my own person — and there shouldn’t be a problem with that.
 

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No — I see it as condescending and judgmental, and it’s different from what you were saying earlier.

I’m not angry with you, but this is the direction you chose to take the conversation.

I’ve told many people on here the same thing: you’re not my dad, and you don’t get to speak to me like you have authority over my life.

I’m a free individual, and I’m allowed to make my own choices regardless of how others feel about what I “should” or “shouldn’t” do.

You may be older than me, but that doesn’t give you the right to talk down to me and then brush it off afterward.

I forgive you, but I’m straightforward, and I don’t have the time or patience for comments that come across that way.

I’m my own person — and there shouldn’t be a problem with that.

So we are back to where we started and I said, people have a lot of reasons why they do not go to church. Would Christianity have survived if most felt that way? Then again freedom of religion...... Have a blast.
 

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You must maintain..."until the end". Many scriptures.
Since the 1 Cor 15:1-4 gospel teaches that trust/belief in the Gospel is required to be saved I too also believe that the belief must be ongoing.
Where >>>does Paul<<< teach ANYTHING else to be & remain saved ?
Here is what Christ through Paul teaches as the ACTION requirements
What do you disagree with ?
..
Titus 3:
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal 3:

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Rom 3:
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 11:
6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
 

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So we are back to where we started and I said, people have a lot of reasons why they do not go to church. Would Christianity have survived if most felt that way? Then again freedom of religion...... Have a blast.

Religion sucks. Lol. Relationship with God is so much more.

People can only do so much they can't feel the emptiness inside that is yearning to be filled.

God fills that in the heart of people.

You just backing off just shows me more of a reason that I probably shouldn't even listen to a word you say.

However it's whatever my guy. So many people come by and tell me how I should be... I grew up in a Generation of the 90s that basically with the rap music and stuff like that was to heck with authority...

Im so happy I got live my life and get to live my life like I do.

I dont know if you still go to work or not.

I do. I gotta go to work every day im scheduled.

Does that even matter?

No. The relationship with God is more important so I might as well quit my job right?

Flesh says that but spirit says - no - keep going and doing what you need to do.
 

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Religion sucks. Lol. Relationship with God is so much more.

People can only do so much they can't feel the emptiness inside that is yearning to be filled.

God fills that in the heart of people.

You just backing off just shows me more of a reason that I probably shouldn't even listen to a word you say.

However it's whatever my guy. So many people come by and tell me how I should be... I grew up in a Generation of the 90s that basically with the rap music and stuff like that was to heck with authority...

Im so happy I got live my life and get to live my life like I do.

I dont know if you still go to work or not.

I do. I gotta go to work every day im scheduled.

Does that even matter?

No. The relationship with God is more important so I might as well quit my job right?

Flesh says that but spirit says - no - keep going and doing what you need to do.

That is the beauty of it.....You do not have to listen to a word I say.
 

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That is the beauty of it.....You do not have to listen to a word I say.
That’s true, but what’s frustrating is when people just shrug things off like it doesn’t affect anyone else.

You’re right—I don’t have to listen to you. But I do think it’s good for all of us to think before we speak.

Going to church just means someone participates in religious activities. It doesn’t automatically mean they have a heart for God. A lot of people perform because it looks good, and that’s just the reality. I used to do it myself.

There are people who genuinely believe they have spiritual authority over others, and that mindset creates a lot of problems.

This is why I can’t stand religion or the attitude of people who think they’re spiritually superior.

I’ll go ahead and put you on ignore since it’s clear you don’t care about me personally, and that’s fine.

I’m just glad to know where things stand. It’s mutual.
 

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That’s true, but what’s frustrating is when people just shrug things off like it doesn’t affect anyone else.

You’re right—I don’t have to listen to you. But I do think it’s good for all of us to think before we speak.

Going to church just means someone participates in religious activities. It doesn’t automatically mean they have a heart for God. A lot of people perform because it looks good, and that’s just the reality. I used to do it myself.

There are people who genuinely believe they have spiritual authority over others, and that mindset creates a lot of problems.

This is why I can’t stand religion or the attitude of people who think they’re spiritually superior.

I’ll go ahead and put you on ignore since it’s clear you don’t care about me personally, and that’s fine.

I’m just glad to know where things stand. It’s mutual.

First I am going to tell you something that might surprise you....
Sometimes this is how great friendships start out.....surprise surprise.
I do think before I speak.....I say what I mean and mean what I say....I talk'da talk and walk'da walk.
I did not say you were a bad person.
I did not say you were not saved.

I was talking about the importance of going to church.
People degrade churches for one reason or another.
I worship with a lot of different denominations, and I know they are not perfect. But I love Christians and I enjoy standing with them and worshipping the Lord and singing hymns to the Lord.

I would like for you to have that joy, but if you cannot.....that is your lose.
God Bless
do good and be good.
The Johnny Appleseed of Truth.
 

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My claim is true.
No one gets a license to sin card.'
1 John 2:1KJV
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 1:9-10KJV
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

(O)nce (S)ealed (A)lways (S)ealed until the day of redemption, God's not a liar

(Eternal Security)


Ephesians 1:13-14KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

John 10:26-30KJV
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
 

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First I am going to tell you something that might surprise you....
Sometimes this is how great friendships start out.....surprise surprise.
I do think before I speak.....I say what I mean and mean what I say....I talk'da talk and walk'da walk.
I did not say you were a bad person.
I did not say you were not saved.

I was talking about the importance of going to church.
People degrade churches for one reason or another.
I worship with a lot of different denominations, and I know they are not perfect. But I love Christians and I enjoy standing with them and worshipping the Lord and singing hymns to the Lord.

I would like for you to have that joy, but if you cannot.....that is your lose.
God Bless
do good and be good.
The Johnny Appleseed of Truth.

I’ll be straightforward — I don’t care for church, and I don’t feel any need to be there. It doesn’t save anyone, and it’s not required for me to walk with God. So yes, I’m fine being by myself.

It seems to bother some people that I choose to be on my own, but people live the lives they want to live. That’s just the truth. Not everyone wants the same things, and that’s okay.

It’s like paying for someone to go to college when they hated every minute of it, only for them to graduate and do something completely different. People have their own paths.

I do enjoy talking with you, but people don’t have to want the same things or have the same things in their lives. Everyone’s walk is different.

Thank you for sharing what you have with me and talking with me, it's not my loss; it's my choice!
 
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If sealed with the HS, how does one become UNsealed ?

“IF”is the key word.
“ONCE” sealed…
“ONCE” and seal-“ED” become paramount in “realization” and “understanding…
* Gods offering…
* Gods promise…
** Mans Acceptance…
* Gods faithfulness…Has been MADE…
“Accomplish-ED”.

To pretend, teach, preach…a Man “CAN FOOL” the OMNIPOTENT Almighty God, by receiving Gods offering…and then RENIG, and the Man, thereafter, Reject Gods “given Gift”…
Is foolishness and False on its face.

The “Gift Offering For a man to RECEIVE, the HS”…
* Is an Offering TO a naturally ALIVE man.
* It is a naturally Alive man WHO, decides, freely chooses, To receive Gods Gift, or Not.
* The Offered GIFT…is ONLY Given…
AFTER, the BODY is accounted DEAD!


To “Pretend”, the DEAD BODY can “decide” it no longer, wants “it’s Gift”…
is Foolish and False.

To “Pretend”, the man “Tricked God”…
is Foolish and False.

To “Pretend”, God Offered, God Promised, God Gave… then “Was Unfaithful”…
is Foolish and False.

The Truth IS…an EATER of Gods Word IS the Recipient of Gods Offering, Promised Gift, of the HS, And SEALED With Gods Power to Have, Keep, Gods Power with that man Forever.

The Truth IS…a TASTER of Gods Word
IS NOT an EATER;
IS NOT Sealed;
IS NOT Given Gods “INDWELLING HS”;
IS NOT “surrendered” TO Gods “keeping” power.
IS NOT accounted, BODILY Dead;
IS NOT “Sanctified”…(cleansed / set apart)
IS NOT “Justified”…To be resurrected “glorified”.
HAS NOT “Received” Gods Seed.

CAN, by the mans “OWN power”…
Reject Gods Word…SPIT out of “his TASTING Mouth” Gods Word…

^ THAT is NOT “receipt of Salvation” and Then “losing salvation”…

^ That is “TASTING Salvation”…then Losing Salvation BY “Rejection and Spitting it out…
Never having EATEN.”

John 6:
[50] This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
[52] The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
[53] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
[54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55] For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Glory to God,
Taken
 
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I’ll be straightforward — I don’t care for church, and I don’t feel any need to be there. It doesn’t save anyone, and it’s not required for me to walk with God. So yes, I’m fine being by myself.

It seems to bother some people that I choose to be on my own, but people live the lives they want to live. That’s just the truth. Not everyone wants the same things, and that’s okay.

It’s like paying for someone to go to college when they hated every minute of it, only for them to graduate and do something completely different. People have their own paths.

I do enjoy talking with you, but people don’t have to want the same things or have the same things in their lives. Everyone’s walk is different.

Thank you for sharing what you have with me and talking with me, it's not my loss; it's my choice!

I get all that, this is not the first time we have talked about this.
One of the first things I pointed out to you was that some pretty famous Christians were hermits.
They had their reasons too.
And you are not a hermit, you work.
And you share your Christian knowledge and journey on this forum, that counts for something.
Wish you well.
 
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Christ through Paul teaches how we receive the HS.
Where does Christ through Paul teach that a SEALED believer can become UNsealed ?
Verses please :)

1.) Paul teaches Eternal Security as being "Born again".

2.) So, if you are not, then you are not "sealed" because you are not Saved.

3.) The "sealing" happens when God puts the Believer "in Christ". = Born....again.......= spiritual birth.

4.) This means that God's Holy Spirit, has Spiritually Birthed the SPIRIT in a Believer........into God Himself., as "born again".

5.) This means the eternally forgiven BELIEVER has become "one with God"......exactly as 1st Adam was originally .

6.) Being "sealed" means that you are born again, now having Jesus in you, so that you become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".

A.) So, to become "unsealed", you would have to stop being Born......again........and that is impossible, because being born again is a BIRTH.........a Spiritual Birth.....and you can't stop being born.
(Just ask your mother, if you dont Believe God).


Reader,
,..On this Forum, you are going to hear from religious self righteous Heretics who understand none of this that i just posted that is Salvation 101 found being taught in a Sunday School Class for 10 yr olds.

Self Righteous Heretics do not understand : The Cross of Christ

= that is the Eternal Blood Atonement,

= that is the Eternal New Covenant,

= that is God's Eternal Grace.

So, because they dont understand anything at all about Eternal Salvation found "IN Christ", they can only talk about doing works, and keeping commandments, and Moses law and being water baptized, and enduring to the , and (self) abiding......and whatever else is on their SELF SAVING LIST........of things that all Heretics try to do, as if they are the Savior.

Avoid these Heretics, and they are very easy to spot, as all of these deceived Deceivers will tell you LOUDLY that "you can lose your salvation".
 
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1.) Paul teaches Eternal Security as being "Born again".

2.) So, if you are not, then you are not Eternally "sealed" because you are not yet Saved.

3.) The Eternal "sealing" happens when God puts the Believer "in Christ". = Born....again.......= spiritual birth.

4.) This means that God's Holy Spirit, has Spiritually Birthed the SPIRIT in a Believer..= into God Himself., as "born again", eternally.

5.) This Literally means the eternally forgiven BELIEVER has forever become "one with God"......exactly as 1st Adam was originally, before the Fall.

6.) Being Eternally "sealed" means that you are eternally born again, now having Jesus in you, so that you become "the temple of the Holy Spirit", forever.

A.) So, to become "unsealed", you would have to stop being Born......again........and that is impossible, because being born again is a BIRTH.........a Spiritual Birth.....and you can't stop being born.
(Just ask your mother, if you dont Believe God).


Reader,
,..On this Forum, you are going to hear from religious self righteous Heretics who understand none of this that i just posted that is Salvation 101 found being taught in a Sunday School Class for 10 yr olds.

Self Righteous Heretics do not understand : The Cross of Christ

= that is the Eternal Blood Atonement,

= that is the Eternal New Covenant,

= that is God's Eternal Grace.

So, because they dont understand anything at all about Eternal Salvation found "IN Christ", they can only talk about doing works, and keeping commandments, and Moses law and being water baptized, and enduring to the , and (self) abiding......and whatever else is on their SELF SAVING LIST........of things that all Heretics try to do, as if they are the Savior.

Avoid these Heretics, and they are very easy to spot, as all of these deceived Deceivers will tell you LOUDLY that "you can lose your salvation".
 

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Reader,

Who is "eternally sealed"?

Its everyone who has received the eternal NEW BIRTH = Born Again.

To be "eternally sealed", means you have eternally become a "new Creation IN CHRIST">.....and you are now "seated in Heavenly places".

This means you are eternally within IN The KIngdom of God which is an eternal Spiritual Kingdom.

Q.) = How long will the Born again remain IN......the Spiritual Kingdom of God ?????

A.) For as long as they are BORN AGAIN......and this means : FOREVER and EVER, as you can't stop being BORN......again.

Being Born again, means that the Believer is 'in Christ", and is "one with God"......so, as long as they Both live, is exactly how long the Born again, will be "IN" Them.

AA.) ETERNALLY
 
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1.) Paul teaches Eternal Security as being "Born again".
Oh.
I thought Jesus was the One who stated that we must be BORN FROM ABOVE.
But that's OK.
You're the expert on OSAS.

2.) So, if you are not, then you are not "sealed" because you are not Saved.

3.) The "sealing" happens when God puts the Believer "in Christ". = Born....again.......= spiritual birth.

4.) This means that God's Holy Spirit, has Spiritually Birthed the SPIRIT in a Believer........into God Himself., as "born again".

5.) This means the eternally forgiven BELIEVER has become "one with God"......exactly as 1st Adam was originally .

6.) Being "sealed" means that you are born again, now having Jesus in you, so that you become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".

A.) So, to become "unsealed", you would have to stop being Born......again........and that is impossible, because being born again is a BIRTH.........a Spiritual Birth.....and you can't stop being born.
(Just ask your mother, if you dont Believe God).


Reader,
,..On this Forum, you are going to hear from religious self righteous Heretics who understand none of this that i just posted that is Salvation 101 found being taught in a Sunday School Class for 10 yr olds.

Self Righteous Heretics do not understand : The Cross of Christ

= that is the Eternal Blood Atonement,

= that is the Eternal New Covenant,

= that is God's Eternal Grace.

So, because they dont understand anything at all about Eternal Salvation found "IN Christ",


We agree!

Eternal security is IN CHRIST.


As long as we remain IN CHRIST
and produce some fruit...what you degradingly call WORKS.
Jesus, our Savior, calls fruit.


Jesus never agrees with you:


John 15:1-2
1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;


A branch/believer IN JESUS that does not bear fruit...
will be cut off from the vine.


But you just continue to teach heresy.
The blind will join the blind.

they can only talk about doing works, and keeping commandments, and Moses law and being water baptized, and enduring to the , and (self) abiding......and whatever else is on their SELF SAVING LIST........of things that all Heretics try to do, as if they are the Savior.

Jesus said this:

John 14:15
14“You are My friends if you do what I command you.


Jesus kills your odd idea right there.


° He said to keep His commandments.
That requires doing good works.

You might have read

Matthew 25
41“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

42for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;

43I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’

44“Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’

45“Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’


46“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”



Looks like a bad ending for those that do not obey Jesus.


And the NT also teaches that we are to endure till the end.
Another NT teaching that you do not accept.


Hebrews 3:14
14For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.



Avoid these Heretics, and they are very easy to spot, as all of these deceived Deceivers will tell you LOUDLY that "you can lose your salvation".
So who should we believe?
You or the NT?


Looks like you are the one teaching heresy.


And this is also in the NT:

1 Timothy 4:1
1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,


and


1 Timothy 4:16
16Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you



and


2 Timothy 4:3-4
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

4and will turn away their ears from the truth...



Looks like you don't agree with Jesus or Paul or any of the NT writers.

 

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Oh.
I thought Jesus was the One who stated that we must be BORN FROM ABOVE.

My Post only talked about being born again by God's Holy Spirit.

Apparently you are not aware that "God is ABOVE".

You also dont trust in Christ to Keep you saved, which means you have no real faith in Christ.. and that is why you try to teach that you can lose your Salvation., as its only deceived religious people who teach that you can lose your Salvation.
And the thing is......(that you apparently can't understand @GodsGrace) ....is that if you dont Trust in Christ alone to Keep you saved, then who are you trusting, ????????? as this is now your SAVIOR, = now that you dont bellieve that JESUS KEEPS YOU SAVED.

See yourself yet?

You're trusting in yourself. Your hanging on your own Self Righteousness CROSS trying not to "lose your salvation".
This means you are a deceived Legalist.
You are a SELF Saver.... (self defined by what you believe) ..... And you'll tell us what you are doing to try to stay saved ....while you post verses you dont understand.., and other cut ansd paste theologically ignorant info, that only proves that you have no real faith in Christ, which is why you dont believe that Jesus keeps you saved.

"""well Behold i do trust in Christ to keep me saved, as long as i do all this on my SELF SAVING LIST to try to STAY SAVED and not lose my Salvation""""

See yourself yet?

You're LYING TO YOURSELF, and to this Forum, and God knows it, and so do I.

As long as we remain IN CHRIST

There is no verse found in a Real Bible that says we have to "remain in Christ' to keep ourselves saved. @GodsGrace .

There is no verse in any Bible that is a real one that says that a Born Again Christian can stop being "In Christ".
Not one.
There is no verse in any Real Bible that says a Christian can stop being "Born again".
There is no verse in any Real Bible that says that a born again Christian can stop being "the temple of the Holy Spirit".
There is no verse in any Real Bible that says that a Born again Christian, can stop being in the Kingdom of God.

Its only deceived Heretics who have no faith in Christ to keep them saved.......who want to teach the Cross Denying LIE that Jesus's Redemption that is based on His BLOOD and DEATH that is the New Covenant, can't keep you saved.

And by the way reader.....
Its Paul who defines these deceived people, these "fallen from Grace'......>"bewitched" people, who try to deny Jesus's Eternal Salvation as HERETICS.
You can find this teaching in Titus chapter 3 in a KJV...if you want to do a little bible study, vs wasting your time on this Forum listening to Heretics try to destroy your faith in God's eternal Salvation.

I dont personally believe that a self professed "christian" can blaspheme the Holy Spirit more aggressively then to go on Public Forums or from behind a Pulpit and falsely teach that God's Son's Eternal Redemption that is the Blood of Jesus, the Blood Atonement.. = can't keep you saved.
And that is what these phony religious people LOVE TO DO most of all, on Forums and from behind Pulpits.
 
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1.) Paul teaches Eternal Security as being "Born again".

2.) So, if you are not, then you are not "sealed" because you are not Saved.

3.) The "sealing" happens when God puts the Believer "in Christ". = Born....again.......= spiritual birth.

4.) This means that God's Holy Spirit, has Spiritually Birthed the SPIRIT in a Believer........into God Himself., as "born again".

5.) This means the eternally forgiven BELIEVER has become "one with God"......exactly as 1st Adam was originally .

6.) Being "sealed" means that you are born again, now having Jesus in you, so that you become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".

A.) So, to become "unsealed", you would have to stop being Born......again........and that is impossible, because being born again is a BIRTH.........a Spiritual Birth.....and you can't stop being born.
(Just ask your mother, if you dont Believe God).


Reader,
,..On this Forum, you are going to hear from religious self righteous Heretics who understand none of this that i just posted that is Salvation 101 found being taught in a Sunday School Class for 10 yr olds.

Self Righteous Heretics do not understand : The Cross of Christ

= that is the Eternal Blood Atonement,

= that is the Eternal New Covenant,

= that is God's Eternal Grace.

So, because they dont understand anything at all about Eternal Salvation found "IN Christ", they can only talk about doing works, and keeping commandments, and Moses law and being water baptized, and enduring to the , and (self) abiding......and whatever else is on their SELF SAVING LIST........of things that all Heretics try to do, as if they are the Savior.

Avoid these Heretics, and they are very easy to spot, as all of these deceived Deceivers will tell you LOUDLY that "you can lose your salvation".
Since 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 teaches that the condition to be saved/sealed is believing & trusting the Gospel do you believe that if that trust stops then the believer remains saved even though they no longer believe ?