Christian Nationalism

[Gray_Joy]

Again, a perverse, wicked twisting of scripture. Stop taking things out of context and learn how to properly interpret scripture. It just might save you one day if you do.

There's no twisting of Scripture in recognizing the wars in the Old Testament.

Denying they exist, is an affront to God.

 

[Ziggy]

Is that really what you think nationalism is? Perhaps you should study things more before supporting them:

https://heidelblog.net/2026/06/these-are-not-illinois-nazis/


How did you come to that conclusion based on what I said? To love Christ is to love everyone, which nationalism is opposed to, by definition.

Nationalism:
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations:
"their nationalism is tempered by a desire to join the European Union"

And so we say, America First.
Although we do not exclude the interests of other nations, we actually want to work with them, but stop getting taken advantage of by them.

I identify as an American, and I support Made in America.
I support the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights which states our rights come from our Creator.

The phrase "all men are created equal" originates from the United States Declaration of Independence, expressing the principle that every person possesses inherent rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.​

If those are to the detriment or exclusion of other nations, then so be it.

Our foundation was built upon Christian principles. And on this rock we have built our home.

So yes, I am a Christian Nationalist as defined above.

Hugs

 

[Bombastic]

To love Christ is to love everyone, which nationalism is opposed to, by definition.

And what is love? To answer briefly, it's the "fairness" of the character and attributes of G-d.
Inviting you @Justified to a page I wrote awhile ago for some things to consider.
And likewise, who or what is the "world"?
Perhaps this can explain some of the tension that Christians encounter within and outisde their churches.

And the Worldly Christian says, “G-d so loved the World!” - Isaiah School

Challenging worldly Christianity's take on John 3:16: Why 'God so loved the world' doesn't mean unconditional love for all (even Nero-like reprobates). Exegetes cosmos as anti-God ideology; affirms limited atonement, predestination, holiness over sin-excusing empathy (Romans 1, John 17).

isaiah.school

 

[TLHKAJ]

Sister, I don't want to judge your individual situation there, especially when I don't know all the particulars. And I wouldn't condemn you anyhow. I may stand to be corrected, but don't think at the moment that it would be wrong in itself to make evil-intentioned people afraid of you in such a circumstance as you described ....God might have been in it to make them afraid, for all we know. (That is biblical.) I don't even believe it would be wrong to shoot a gun over their heads to frighten them off if you had to.....using a weapon as a deterrent. Just that we don't want to sin in whatever it is we do. (Wise as serpents, but harmless as doves is the principle I believe in.)

There were definitely times that it was clearly God making them fearful of me. When my oldest daughter was 18 and pregnant with twins, under threat (as was my entire family), she found a way to contact me via a cell phone that had no service. (She found an open wifi). She was kept in the back of a semi and wasn't told where she was. Anyway, she was terribly mistreated and ended up having a miscarriage and lost one of the babies. Through much prayer and negotiating, they agreed to drop her off at a truck stop. My daughter later told me that they were afraid of me. Idk how that could've happened unless it was God.

But there were other times that I straight up told a few young men that if they showed up around my daughters I'd be waiting for them and they'd never get to father a child (again). I wouldn't shoot to kill (unless there was an act in progress and was unavoidable) but would "aim lower" and do whatever was necessary (and they didn't know, but to stay away). Whether that was right or wrong, that was mama bear speaking. I did, however, pray for them. They were teens ....15 up to 20/21.

I appreciate your words and that we can discuss these things without judgement. Thank you.

 

[TLHKAJ]

When my oldest daughter was 18 and pregnant with twins, under threat (as was my entire family), she found a way to contact me via a cell phone that had no service. (She found an open wifi). She was kept in the back of a semi and wasn't told where she was. Anyway, she was terribly mistreated and ended up having a miscarriage and lost one of the babies. Through much prayer and negotiating, they agreed to drop her off at a truck stop. My daughter later told me that they were afraid of me. Idk how that could've happened unless it was God.

@Lizbeth My daughter went with these people "willingly" under the pretense that they were going to keep her safe. Her pregnancy was by force. The m*fia/cult wanted a child through her and one man in particular. But another man wanted her and impregnated her ...thus, they threatened her, and all of us ....threatened to kill ber in various ways. She was approached by two men and a woman who offered "safety" ....which turned out to be just a set-up. They (the cult) ended up stealing her daughter (my granddaughter) a year later. My granddaughter is turning 14 soon. We don't know for sure where she is.

Anyway.... I apologize for veering so far off topic.

 

[Bombastic]

I wouldn't shoot to kill (unless there was an act in progress and was unavoidable) but would "aim lower" and do whatever was necessary (and they didn't know, but to stay away). Whether that was right or wrong, that was mama bear speaking. I did, however, pray for them. They were teens ....15 up to 20/21.

That's wrong, @TLHKAJ and as you are probably aware, today that can result in somebody, especially a Christian with strong conviction, facing charges whether criminal or civil (mental evaluation, detained for an indefinite time, or a threat to society without criminal charges).
Never threaten with a gun, never pull a gun, or never show it unless you're going to use it. And then a gun is the last resort or line of protection, and it is meant for lethal force. As you are probably aware today, a survivor will probably win in court no matter whether or not they are guilty, and the shooter, whether or not justified, will at least be detained for some time, if not criminally charged.
Meanwhile, in a blue state, your children's welfare will be under social services while pending charges to appear before a liberal judge.
I hate politics! But I can understand, in this context, the necessity of righteous as well as moral foundations of Scripture behind the zeal of today's Christian nationalism movement.
Could you imagine some of these people here in this very thread being judges from a bench and you mentioning you're a Christian? Or a jury full of them as your peers? Which are worse? Liberal secularists or these kinds of people?
Hearing me @Wrangler?

 

[TLHKAJ]

That's wrong, @TLHKAJ and as you are probably aware, today that can result in somebody, especially a Christian with strong conviction, facing criminal or civil charges.

Self defense or defending a victim of a crime is not a crime in itself. I even recently heard about a parent who was let go because they shot dead the person who had sexually assaulted their daughter. I'm not advocating going after someone to administer justice ....but that's exactly what the courts said that justice was served and the parent got community service and probation.

 

[Gray_Joy]

When did this change? The "church" is just the world wrapped in churchy clothing.

"Christianity Thrives when it challenges Empire. It becomes corrupted when it tries to become one."

That quote is by Mike Wisniewski. Who is clearly ignorant of the Bible and the history of the Christian faith.
Particularly,Constantine.

Who that has read Revelation would ever believe such uneducated unchurched unbiblical nonsense!

"Christianity began with no army, no party, no courts, no national flag, and no emperor "protecting" it.

Nonsense. Christianity is the arrival of the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament. The Messiah of a faith ,Judaism, and a religious-political construct that warred in order to slaughter and thereby overcome pagan adversaries aligned against it.

All described in the Old Testament.

Just a crucified Savior and a handful of ordinary people convinced that loving their enemies, caring for the forgotten, sharing what they had, and refusing to worship Caesar could change the world.
And somehow, it did.
The Church grew while it was culturally powerless because its power looked completely different from Rome’s.
Rome conquered people.
Christians served them.
Rome celebrated status.
Christians called slaves and rulers brothers and sisters.
Rome abandoned the sick and unwanted.
Christians carried them home.
Then Christianity gained access to the palace.
Constantine legalized and favored the faith. Within decades, Christianity became the official religion of the empire.
Suddenly, the persecuted Church had political influence.
Then political privilege.
Then political power.
And eventually, in some places, the followers of Jesus began persecuting others.
From religious wars and inquisitions to forced conversions, colonial conquests, and defenses of slavery, Christian history contains some deeply embarrassing chapters.
Not because Jesus failed.
Because Christians repeatedly traded His way for Caesar’s.
We took a faith built on carrying a cross and used it to decorate thrones.
That should make us pause today.
When Christianity becomes obsessed with controlling government, defeating cultural enemies, enforcing conformity, and keeping “our people” in power, we should recognize the pattern.
We have seen this movie before.
And somehow we keep buying tickets to a Christianity that looks nothing like Jesus.
Jesus never asked to become the mascot of an empire.
He called us to become servants in His Kingdom.
Christianity thrives when it offers the world an alternative to domination... not when it baptizes domination and calls it Christlike.
The Church is most powerful
when it looks like Jesus.
And Jesus conquered the world
from a cross.
Not a throne."
#ChristianNationalism

And in Revelation we are forewarned of what Jesus has planned for this world. And unbelievers.

And it isn't,hugs and kisses,tolerance and passive concession to the ways of their world.

Or,are we going to deny Armageddon is not really what God says it will be?

 

[Anchorite]

Some people try to claim that Jesus wanted His disciples to arm themselves, to have weapons for self defense.

But when Jesus said buy a sword, and the disciples replied they had two swords, Jesus said that was enough.

Thus, the swords were not for self defense or for killing those who attack. Two swords would not be nearly enough to combat the Roman soldiers who were coming to arrest Jesus.

In fact, when Peter used his sword to cut off someone’s ear, Jesus healed the ear and scolded Peter to put away his sword.

Jesus condemned weaponry by saying that all who use the sword will perish by the sword.

Those two swords were enough for Jesus to be reckoned among the transgressors. The Roman soldiers could see the swords and arrest Jesus for being an instigator of armed rebellion against the empire.

"Jesus reckoned among the transgressors" refers to the fulfillment of prophecy (Isaiah 53:12) where Jesus was treated, condemned, and executed as a common criminal, specifically by being crucified between two thieves. This act represents his deep identification with sinful humanity, substituting himself in the place of sinners to achieve atonement and reconciliation with God.



Luke 22


36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.




Matthew 26:52

Then said Jesus unto him, “Put up again thy sword into his place, for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”



John 18:36

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

 

[Bombastic]

Self defense or defending a victim of a crime is not a crime in itself. I even recently heard about a parent who was let go because they shot dead the person who had sexually assaulted their daughter. I'm not advocating going after someone to administer justice ....but that's exactly what the courts said that justice was served and the parent got community service and probation.

In those cases, "I have no comment."
I don't want to stand before any judge or peers in an earthly court of law.
And I am a Second Amendment advocate.
The second is like the first, to enforce those rights (life) endowed by our Creator.

 

[TLHKAJ]

That's wrong, @TLHKAJ and as you are probably aware, today that can result in somebody, especially a Christian with strong conviction, facing charges whether criminal or civil (mental evaluation, detained for an indefinite time, or a threat to society without criminal charges).
Never threaten with a gun, never pull a gun, or never show it unless you're going to use it. And then a gun is the last resort or line of protection, and it is meant for lethal force. As you are probably aware today, a survivor will probably win in court no matter whether or not they are guilty, and the shooter, whether or not justified, will at least be detained for some time, if not criminally charged.
Meanwhile, in a blue state, your children's welfare will be under social services while pending charges to appear before a liberal judge.
I hate politics! But I can understand, in this context, the necessity of righteous as well as moral foundations of Scripture behind the zeal of today's Christian nationalism movement.
Could you imagine some of these people here in this very thread being judges from a bench and you mentioning you're a Christian? Or a jury full of them as your peers? Which are worse? Liberal secularists or these kinds of people?
Hearing me @Wrangler?

Thankfully, in my case, it didn't go that far. Because they definitely sought every opportunity to take my children and place them into a cult home, solely because I wasn't fulfilling the role they had planned and trained me for since birth.

My children weren't accessible to them in my care. So naturally, they sought ways to take them "legally." And that's how they took my granddaughter from my daughter ....trickery and a corrupt "legal" system. My daughter was approached at a time when she was vulnerable by a woman who offered to "help" her and her daughter. That woman tricked her into signing papers that she was told were only giving permission to care for her daughter while she went into a program to help her get into college, a job, a car, an apartment, etc. She had no idea there were papers she wasn't shown that gave that "friend" temporary guardianship. She believed the woman was really trying to help her and her daughter.

My daughter was traveling every weekend to see her child. But since the program was out of state (4 hours away) the "friend" slowly made it harder and harder for my daughter to see her child. And they used that to claim my daughter abandoned her child. She did nothing of the sort. She had call and text logs, as well as an eye witness, photos with her daughter, etc ..to prove her contact and attempted contact with her daughter. But ....corrupt, cult judges... cult paid lawyers. The judge refused to even acknowledge all the call and text logs or hear the eye witnesses. And at this time, I have a bullet hole in my kitchen wall put there by the judge's buddy ...a retired police officer.

Anyway, I'm fully aware of how the system works. It's all Babylon.

 

[Bombastic]

Thankfully, in my case, it didn't go that far. Because they definitely sought every opportunity to take my children and place them into a cult home, solely because I wasn't fulfilling the role they had planned and trained me for since birth.

My children weren't accessible to them in my care. So naturally, they sought ways to take them "legally." And that's how they took my granddaughter from my daughter ....trickery and a corrupt "legal" system. My daughter was approached at a time when she was vulnerable by a woman who offered to "help" her and her daughter. That woman tricked her into signing papers that she was told were only giving permission to care for her daughter while she went into a program to help her get into college, a job, a car, an apartment, etc. She had no idea there were papers she wasn't shown that gave that "friend" temporary guardianship. She believed the woman was really trying to help her and her daughter.

Anyway, I'm fully aware of how the system works. It's all Babylon.

CA has pushed bills that allow a child to choose their guardian now.
Consider the youth and predatory indoctrination.

 

[Wrangler]

Which are worse? Liberal secularists or these kinds of people?
Hearing me @Wrangler?

Which are worse, Christian’s or non-Christian’s? What kind of Christian asks such a question?

 

[Wrangler]

Some people try to claim that Jesus wanted His disciples to arm themselves … Jesus said buy a sword

When will you give it up? When Jesus said buy a sword, that‘s how we know he wanted his disciples to arm themselves.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Could you imagine some of these people here in this very thread being judges from a bench and you mentioning you're a Christian?

One of the complaints in court against my daughter was actually against me ....that I held house prayer and Bible studies. And that technically wasn't true. I attended them at various times, but they weren't in my home.

 

[Gray_Joy]

When will you give it up? When Jesus said buy a sword, that‘s how we know he wanted his disciples to arm themselves.

Yes. That's the truth.

And they bought two.
If Jesus was non violent he would have never ordered his Disciples to buy weapons.

It says s lot when someone claims to believe in Jesus but refused to believe he meant what he said.

 

[TLHKAJ]

CA has pushed bills that allow a child to choose their guardian now.
Consider the youth and predatory indoctrination.

I was 14 when my parents divorced. I was able to choose .... didn't make a huge difference in my safety, but I did get to choose .....in Texas.

 

[Bombastic]

Which are worse, Christian’s or non-Christian’s? What kind of Christian asks such a question?

Which is worse, somebody that acts in abuse and professes lies in the name of G-d or an unbeliever that lies? Or an extreme example, a pedophile or a pedophile priest?

screenshot of a "Christian" juror. I have no idea what that peer said behind closed doors (and because it doesn't show up on my screen). That juror would nail you against the wall. And that is what the prosecutor would fill the juror box full of.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Yes. That's the truth.

And they bought two.
If Jesus was non violent he would have never ordered his Disciples to buy weapons.

It says s lot when someone claims to believe in Jesus but refused to believe he meant what he said.

You're twisting the Word. The only "violence" we see from Jesus in scripture is overturning moneychangers' tables and running them out with whips. It doesn't say that He actually whipped them, either. It could be that just having a weapon in hand is deterrent enough. It's there in case of the extreme case it's unavoidable, but not a go-to. He literally said if you live by the sword, you will die by the sword. You choose. I'll do my best to stay within His bounds. Vengeance isn't mine.

 

[TLHKAJ]

And they bought two.
If Jesus was non violent he would have never ordered his Disciples to buy weapons.

It says s lot when someone claims to believe in Jesus but refused to believe he meant what he said.

He meant what He said, most definitely. But not every disciple had a sword. Two disciples had swords and He said that was enough. He wasn't outfitting a terrorist group or a military army. And clearly, there were times when it wasn't appropriate to use that sword ....such as cutting off a man's ear. If we can't hear the voice of the Lord and exercise restraint, we would be better off not to have a weapon at all.