Christian Nationalism

[amigo de christo]

Which would be a win for the leftists. Don't believe the hype.

Look at all the reports of people visiting the US from around the world, as many upon many admit to being lied to, and that we are actually a much better place than they were told by their fake news media.

Don't believe the hype.

Much love!

that which you just typed , THAT IS THE PROBLEM .
the left does the same thing .
it too says HEY if you dont vote and support our man , THEN YOU support the other . Wrong again .
What is obvious to me , yet not to those whose hopes be in men , IS THEY BOTH
have brought the same lie , through ecumeincalism TO YOU ALL AND THEIR SIDE .
You believe in Trump
THEY believe in the liberal left
AND WHAT boTH and what neither side realizes is , THEY NOW trust in the same agenda of the same one world govt .
ANY GUESSES on what that is .
TO GET THE RELIGOINS to all come together and find common ground and all work as one
To the left it was sold as pro palestine and to the right as pro israel .
YET ECUMIENCALISM and THE LIE IS ON BOTH SIDES . SO NO SIR
i refuse to vote for the liberal left for it is evil
and i refuse to vote for TRUMP cause HE does the bidding of the same agenda . WAKE UP folks . GET YOUR HOPES
off of men and BACK ON GOD , BACK ON HIS WORD , BACK ON HIS GOSPEL and BACK IN THAT BIBLE TO LEARN .
OR prepare to wail on JESUS day is all i can say . AS FOR ME , MY HOPE BE IN GOD , THUS IN CHRIST and not in ANY MAN or GOVT .

 

[amigo de christo]

It's not wrong to simply vote in my view, as long as your conscience permits. (Myself, if I were American my conscience would not permit me to vote for the current President because of hearing certain allegations concerning him, which I think are likely to be true. There was a time when character mattered to Christians, in a political candidate.) The problem is in conflating civil/civic affairs with Christian virtue and then taking it even further by conflating the church with government instead of keeping them separate. Christian nationalism to my understanding is a movement that seeks to make the country into a theocracy where Christianity becomes the mandated state religion. I can understand how hard it must be to separate things when one is raised to believe that patriotism is a Christian virtue....pledging "allegiance to the flag" every morning as schoolchildren, etc.. But even the heathen are patriotic concerning their countries, it is simply a natural human thing, tribal in a way.

Just think, the devil offered Jesus the whole world as a theocracy that He could rule......and men offered Jesus the theocracy of Israel to rule as King....they tried to crown Him......Jesus resisted both those temptations. Theocracy is not the way of God and the gospel,.....it's a way that seemeth right to man but leads to death. Jesus never forced the gospel on anyone.....the heart has to be willing.

posts eight hundred and eight hundred and one ought to make it real clear my dear sister .

 

[Wrangler]

Which would be a win for the leftists. Don't believe the hype.

She's another willing victim of False Witness, of guilt by accusation.

 

[Lizbeth]

Which would be a win for the leftists. Don't believe the hype.

Look at all the reports of people visiting the US from around the world, as many upon many admit to being lied to, and that we are actually a much better place than they were told by their fake news media.

Don't believe the hype.

Much love!

The allegations I'm thinking of came from first hand witnesses/victims, not from any political entity. I believe them, they seem credible to me, .....the only tiny bit of doubt I retain is because of not witnessing those things myself. This world is evil beyond the pale and certain types of people can have no conscience or moral compass. As horrendously evil as Satan is, that is the same degree of evil Godless people are capable of.

 

[marks]

The allegations I'm thinking of came from first hand witnesses/victims, not from any political entity. I believe them, they seem credible to me, .....the only tiny bit of doubt I retain is because of not witnessing those things myself. This world is evil beyond the pale and certain types of people can have no conscience or moral compass. As horrendously evil as Satan is, that is the same degree of evil Godless people are capable of.

You are obviously getting a lot of false information. So be it. That seems to be the way of the world right now, lies upon lies upon lies, which are widely believed by those who don't know.

Yes, this world is evil. So when the whole world hates something or someone, what does that tell you? Do you join in the voiced denouncing what you don't know? Yes you do. More's the pity!

 

[Lizbeth]

She's another willing victim of False Witness, of guilt by accusation.

I've made my judgment (not condemnation) based on witnesses as well as my own observation and discernment of character/personality. What are you basing your assumption of his innocence on?

And I'm far from "willing"........it has taken me many years to realize and believe how much evil there is in this world. I don't want to believe it, but have to face reality/truth.

(But I don't believe anyone is too evil to be redeemed. Many need to be convinced that they can be saved, and that God doesn't require them to clean themselves up and change first before coming to Christ.....they feel unworthy deep down and have trouble believing that they can be forgiven. This is the warfare of the church......to save souls, plunder the enemy's camp, not kill souls.)

 

[Ziggy]

I don't know if anyone is interested but I'll share anyways because I'm the sharing type.
The DOW and NASDAQ just at the White House this morning and they have decided (whether they like it or not) that they are going to give back to America's children, BILLIONS of dollars to put into their own Trump accounts. Each American child born since 2016-2024 will receive at least $250. to seed savings accounts. Parents, churches, friends or family can also add to these accounts.
American children born since 2024 and onward, will receive and are receiving even now, $1000.to open new accounts.
These have compounding interest.
These accounts also give every American child shares in corporations like Boeing, McDonald's,
Seeing that AMERICA Built them, it's about time we got back what our blood sweat and tears it took to build them.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS

CARRY ON WITH YOUR FOOLISH ARGUMENTS WHILE WE TAKE BACK AMERICA

HUGS

HAVE A GREAT DAY!

If you would like to watch the transaction yourself, you can go to the thread FREEDOM page 2.
Would be good if you went through the entire thread but I won't weary you.

Oh, And we have the Wall Streets Opening Bell and we're not giving it back LOL
ding ding ding ding ding ding

 

[Lizbeth]

You are obviously getting a lot of false information. So be it. That seems to be the way of the world right now, lies upon lies upon lies, which are widely believed by those who don't know.

Yes, this world is evil. So when the whole world hates something or someone, what does that tell you? Do you join in the voiced denouncing what you don't know? Yes you do. More's the pity!

ok brother, what do you base your assumption of his innocence on then? Please feel free to convince me. So far I've not seen anyone even try to prove his innocence, only make excuses for continuing to support him in spite of what he has done or may have done.

To start with, Satan's kingdom is divided against itself........it's not surprising to see opposition of one faction against another. That's why this world is always at war with itself. And just his simply being allied with Christians is another reason....it makes non-believers panic. He has to keep his Christian base happy. But being allied with Christians is not any kind of evidence at all that someone is themselves a Christian.

 

[marks]

ok brother, what do you base your assumption of his innocence on then?

Innocence? Who is innocent? Are you innocent? I'm not.

Assumptions? Whatever.

Just the same, he's an excellent president (assuming you are talking about President Trump. And just the same, many many many false accusations are made, and believed by a great many.

Lies upon lies, believed by those who are happy to believe them, questioning nothing, just repeat the malignant talking points.

I'm not going to convince you of anything, I know that. But I don't like leaving things like this unanswered.

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

I've made my judgment (not condemnation)

No, of course not. One wonders why you feel it necessary to reach a judgment based on media stories?

What are you basing your assumption of his innocence on?

For 2,000 years in Western Civilization, we have developed a set of jurisprudence that many credit as the foundation of all progress; namely property rights. This jurisprudence includes the legacy of the burden of proof is on the side making a positive claim, such as the defendant is guilty.

In the absence of such proof, 2,000 years of jurisprudence dictates a presumption of innocence of the accused. On top of this, the lawfare against Trump were obviously politically motivated. The DA’s campaigned on a slogan to get him, which explains why Trumps convictions were over-turned on appeal.

And this is why I assume innocence and thank you for asking.

 

[Lizbeth]

No, of course not. One wonders why you feel it necessary to reach a judgment based on media stories?


For 2,000 years in Western Civilization, we have developed a set of jurisprudence that many credit as the foundation of all progress; namely property rights. This jurisprudence includes the legacy of the burden of proof is on the side making a positive claim, such as the defendant is guilty.

In the absence of such proof, 2,000 years of jurisprudence dictates a presumption of innocence of the accused. On top of this, the lawfare against Trump were obviously politically motivated. The DA’s campaigned on a slogan to get him, which explains why Trumps convictions were over-turned on appeal.

And this is why I assume innocence and thank you for asking.

We are not in a court of law here. Just want to know why you and many of his supporters think or assume he is innocent of the allegations of certain crimes of a sexual nature, especially given his lengthy and close association with the likes of Epstein. I don't think you have any basis, evidence or proof, to assume he is innocent, you are only wanting him to be or you are willing to overlook absolutely anything so long as he is doing the job you want him to do.

 

[IndianaRob]

No, of course not. One wonders why you feel it necessary to reach a judgment based on media stories?


For 2,000 years in Western Civilization, we have developed a set of jurisprudence that many credit as the foundation of all progress; namely property rights. This jurisprudence includes the legacy of the burden of proof is on the side making a positive claim, such as the defendant is guilty.

In the absence of such proof, 2,000 years of jurisprudence dictates a presumption of innocence of the accused. On top of this, the lawfare against Trump were obviously politically motivated. The DA’s campaigned on a slogan to get him, which explains why Trumps convictions were over-turned on appeal.

And this is why I assume innocence and thank you for asking.

One thing that’s not a presumption is Trump is protecting the Epstein class PDFs and all the ungodly things they have done to the innocents.

 

[Lizbeth]

Innocence? Who is innocent? Are you innocent? I'm not.

Assumptions? Whatever.

Just the same, he's an excellent president (assuming you are talking about President Trump. And just the same, many many many false accusations are made, and believed by a great many.

Lies upon lies, believed by those who are happy to believe them, questioning nothing, just repeat the malignant talking points.

I'm not going to convince you of anything, I know that. But I don't like leaving things like this unanswered.

Much love!

I'm innocent of crimes and assume you are as well brother. I doubt you've sexually abused minors, for example, or turned a blind eye to the sex trafficking going on under your nose and before your eyes....if not actually engaging in it yourself.

It doesn't sound as though you and others have questioned his assumed innocence or looked into his background. Why, because you would rather not know the truth..?.....and why would you rather not know?......it's inconvenient?

And you still haven't answered the question of why you believe he is innocent, what evidence do you have, what observations, discernments concerning his character? There is much evidence and many observations to the contrary....do you have any evidence to counter it? Do you see my point? People are just believing what they want to believe even when the truth is obvious. That says something.

 

[marks]

I'm innocent

Really? I don't think any one is. All have sinned. All fall short. All.

But you think this is a really bad actor, more so than you or I. And I say you are buying into the fake news from those who hate good and love evil, and therefore want to tear down the one who is building this country up.

Much love!

 

[marks]

It doesn't sound as though you and others have questioned his assumed innocence or looked into his background. Why, because you would rather not know the truth..?.....it's inconvenient.

You would be wrong to assume any such thing, but don't expect that I'm going to just believe the hype. I don't. I recognize the source. You have no idea! Or so it seems to me.

Over and out.

 

[Lizbeth]

You would be wrong to assume any such thing, but don't expect that I'm going to just believe the hype. I don't. I recognize the source. You have no idea! Or so it seems to me.

Over and out.

Well brother, you and Wrangler have answered my question........by not answering it.

 

[IndianaRob]

Really? I don't think any one is. All have sinned. All fall short. All.

But you think this is a really bad actor, more so than you or I. And I say you are buying into the fake news from those who hate good and love evil, and therefore want to tear down the one who is building this country up.

Much love!

We are in free fall collapse in this country. People can’t afford to eat or even pay their rent or house payment. Flock surveillance cameras on every street corner, surveillance centers all over what used to be farm land and you call that building this country up???

 

[Lizbeth]

Really? I don't think any one is. All have sinned. All fall short. All.

But you think this is a really bad actor, more so than you or I. And I say you are buying into the fake news from those who hate good and love evil, and therefore want to tear down the one who is building this country up.

Much love!

This isn't about tearing anyone down. I'm trying to help some of my brothers and sisters in the Lord see something about where THEY are at.

 

[marks]

especially given his lengthy and close association with the likes of Epstein.

Back just to express my astonishment that you actually believe this! Epstein?? No. That's Fake News.

Don't you want to know the truth? Really!

 

[marks]

We are in free fall collapse in this country.

Yep, inflation over 9%, borders open to allow millions of criminals to flood in, children being told they need to chop off their sex organs, fraud systematically draining our nation's wealth, hundreds and hundreds of people being rounded up and thrown into prison without trials, on false charges, enriching our enemies, ruining the energy industry, dictating to the nation what kind of dishwasher to use, shipping children by the 10's of thousands into work slavery, sex slavery . . . oh, wait, that was the last guy.

Did you like him better?