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Justification is the declaration of God, the righteous judge, that the man who believes in Christ, sinful though he may be, is viewed as being righteous, because through Christ he has come into a righteous relationship with God,

Ephesians 2:8-9
By (Gods) grace we are Saved through our Faith 9) and not of works.

James 2:24
You see then how by WORKS a man is JUSTIFIED and NOT BY FAITH ONLY....

So which is it since Ephesians says not of works and James says with Works?

These 2 verses are talking about 2 different things, Ephesians is talking about when we as unbelievers become believers by believing on Jesus's name and are saved, While James is talking about our walk AFTER that.....

James 2:26 says:
The Body without the Spirit is Dead
is the same as:
Faith without Works is Dead
(Faith w/o works is no different than an unbeliever without the Spirit - Dead

In verse 2:14 James ask what does it profit a man who has only Faith but No Works? Can FAITH (ALONE) SAVE HIM?

until you learn to seperate
Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by Grace we are Saved through Faith 9) Not of Works"
FROM -----------------------------------------------FROM
James 2:20 "but will thou know O VAIN MAN that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD
You will never come to the truth....

James 2:21-22
was not Abraham justified by Works
22) seest that how FAITH wrought with his WORKS, and by WORKS was FAITH MADE PERFECT?

2:25 was not rahab justified by works

Think about it like this:
FAITH (which you already have as a believer becomes) DEAD without WORKS (which happens AFTER your saved by Faith)

James 1:22 be ye Doers (works) of the word and Not only hearers of the word Deceiving yourselfs.

Osas is a false teaching making you false teachers or as Taken loves to say baby christians but I'll stick with false teachers


When Paul was talking to jews who had came out from under the law and become believers and then jews under the law were telling them they couldnt be save without the law Paul says:

Galatians 5:1-4
1) Stand fast in the liberty where Christ has MADE YOU FREE and become not entangled AGAIN in bondage.
2) that if you are circumcised (under the law) Christ shall profit you nothing
4) Christ has become of no effect to you, if you go back under the law - you have Fallen From Grace

So we see if these new believers go back under the law they've lost the grace which saved and justified them and will lose their salvation....

James 2:17 even so Faith if it has no Works is Dead being alone....

The believer must have works after he is saved by Faith or his Faith becomes Dead

Remember its Gods Grace THROUGH Your Faith that saves you... what do you think happens if that faith being alive that saved you becomes Dead?

Fyi believing isnt a work....
 
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Osas is a false teaching making you false teachers or as Taken loves to say baby christians but I'll stick with false teachers
Consider in James to whom we are being justified? Not to God, Who knows all things.

What says the Scripture?

James 2:18 EMTV
But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by means of my works.

Abraham was justified to man who could see his works, but not his heart. Ditto with Rahab. God

God sees our hearts, He knows if our faith is real, He knows whether or not He has justified us.

Man does not see the heart, and can only see the works.

James 2:18 KJV
18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Much love!
 

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Consider in James to whom we are being justified? Not to God
Not to God?
The whole point is to be justified to God since it is when we BELIEVE on Christ that saves us which no man can see.... we dont do works for man (to see) since man has no part in us being justified

James is saying that if you are only a hearer of the word but Not a doer (works) your faith is dead... and since by faith you are saved, you then have no works and the faith which saved you becomes dead and you are no longer justifed....

Abraham believed (had faith) God how he would be a Father and it was counted as righteousness and he was justified when he offered up Isaac and by works (which no man saw) was he justified and by works his faith was made perfect....


The point James is making is osas isnt true
 
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Consider in James to whom we are being justified? Not to God, Who knows all things.

What says the Scripture?

James 2:18 EMTV
(1) But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by means of my works.

(2) Abraham was justified to man who could see his works, but not his heart.

(3) God sees our hearts, He knows if our faith is real, He knows whether or not He has justified us

Much love!
I believe you have justified works and faith mixed up here by what you say...

(1) its talking about faith here and how without works our faith becomes dead..
(2) Abraham first had faith before he was justifed
(3) it is Christ death that allows us to be justified through faith


At the end of the day without works your faith becomes dead.... it was alive to save you... and with a dead faith you cant be justified..... repent and do works
 
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You have justified works and faith mixed up here by what you say...

(1).Abraham first had to have faith before he could be justifed
(2) it is Christ death that allows us to be justified through faith
(3) its talking about faith here and how without works our faith becomes dead..
Which means you are no longer saved and justified

At the end of the day without works your faith becomes dead.... which it was alive to save you... and with a dead faith you cant be justified..... repent and do works
You cannot buy your salvation by works, nor can you pay to keep your salvation with works. God knows those who are His. Do you think you have to prove yourself to Him?

James says exactly what his is talking about.

James 2:18 KJV
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Context.

James wrote, faith without works is dead. You wrote, faith without works becomes dead. You've changed the Scripture to support your works salvation.

That's a no-no.

Much love!
 

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You cannot buy your salvation by works, nor can you pay to keep your salvation with works. God knows those who are His. Do you think you have to prove yourself to Him?

James says exactly what his is talking about.

James 2:18 KJV
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Context.

James wrote, faith without works is dead. You wrote, faith without works becomes dead. You've changed the Scripture to support your works salvation.

That's a no-no.

Much love!
You still dont get it.... james is not talking about eph 2:8 which takes your faith to be saved, he is talking about AFTER AFTER AFTER that when WORKS comes into play..

Ephesians and James are talking about 2 different things as I stated in the original post
 

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If it takes an alive faith to save you what do you think happens when without works that faith becomes dead.....

God then is working with a DEAD FAITH
 

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You still dont get it.... james is not talking about eph 2:8 which takes your faith to be saved, he is talking about AFTER AFTER AFTER that when WORKS comes into play..

Ephesians and James are talking about 2 different things as I stated in the original post
Yeah, you think you can be saved by faith and kept saved by works. It's a false gospel, and you've even changed Scripture to support it.

I'm not going to keep repeating myself, so there it is.

Much love!
 

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Yeah, you think you can be saved by faith and kept saved by works. It's a false gospel, and you've even changed Scripture to support it.

I'm not going to keep repeating myself, so there it is.

Much love!
James 2:24
You see then how by WORKS a man is JUSTIFIED and NOT BY FAITH ONLY....
Is not James 2:24 in your bible also?

James says it takes both faith and works to be justified.. what happens when you only have faith and not.works? Your no longer justified...geeez

Ps saved by faith and justified are 2 different things
 
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What do you think happens when without works your faith is dead?... answer that

Gods grace thru your dead faith
 

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Yeah, you think you can be saved by faith and kept saved by works.
No... you have to have faith with works otherwise your faith becomes Dead, james said it I just pointed it out

James 2:20 "but will thou know O VAIN MAN that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD
 

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If it takes an alive faith to save you

Faith does not save you.

How do you know? ??

Q.) Did Faith hang on The Cross for you?

A.) God saves you......through faith..... (God's) ""Grace through faith"...= as our "faith is counted by God as (Christ's) righteousness"... ..Imputed unto the believer as "The Gift of Righteousness".

So, there is type of religious person who is counting on faith to save them, and that is trusting in Faith, but not trusting in Christ.
This person believes that if they hold unto their faith.....if they can just do that till they die, then because they held unto their faith, then God will save them or keep them saved.
.............Whereas the person who is trusting in Christ, understands they are saved already, justified already, born again already, and reconcilled to God forever already, = ''by the one time Eternal Sacrifice of Jesus on The Cross."""
 
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Faith does not save you.

How do you know? ??

Q.) Did Faith hang on The Cross for you?

A.) God saves you......through faith..... (God's) ""Grace through faith"...= as our "faith is counted by God as (Christ's) righteousness"... ..Imputed unto the believer as "The Gift of Righteousness".

So, there is type of religious person who is counting on faith to save them, and that is trusting in Faith, but not trusting in Christ.
This person believes that if they hold unto their faith.....if they can just do that till they die, then because they held unto their faith, then God will save them or keep them saved.
.............Whereas the person who is trusting in Christ, understands they are saved already, justified already, born again already, and reconcilled to God forever already, = ''by the one time Eternal Sacrifice of Jesus on The Cross."""
What is meant by

Gods grace THROUGH YOUR FAITH and you are saved?

Jesus hanging on the cross (Gods grace) is for all people but ONLY those who believe are saved... so yeah it takes your faith in Gods grace.... if you have no faith it does nothing for you....

1peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation
 

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Behold said:
Whereas the person who is trusting in Christ, understands they are saved already, justified already, born again already, and reconcilled to God forever already, = ''by the one time Eternal Sacrifice of Jesus on The Cross."""

James 2:24 replys you see then how that by WORKS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED AND NOT BY FAITH ALONE

After all its grace thru faith and you are saved not grace thru faith and you are justified
 
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Behold your just being goofy no one says faith in nothing saves you.... when I say as Ive said above in my original post eph 2:8 which is Gods grace thru faith and you are saved - never says faith in nothing ofcourse it has to be faith in something..... lol
 

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So I use verses from james to make my point and the both marks and behold make theirs without addressing james verses...


Makes no sense not too unless you cant