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I have been discussing this with my friends and family about whether they are going to be buried or cremated when they die. Some said they would be buried as per the Old Testament believers, and others at the time were also placed in a sepulcher. Others said that they would choose to be cremated since it is their spirit that goes into heaven and physical bodies cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. What are your thoughts on this?
 

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I have been discussing this with my friends and family about whether they are going to be buried or cremated when they die. Some said they would be buried as per the Old Testament believers, and others at the time were also placed in a sepulcher. Others said that they would choose to be cremated since it is their spirit that goes into heaven and physical bodies cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. What are your thoughts on this?
Firstly, the idea that 'spirit' is an entity seperate from the rest of our being is a pagan view. If we take this view onboard, all manner of secondary ideas are birthed....one of which is where it goes when you die.

If we ask, 'what spirit reigns in you'? don't we mean what is your attitude/ disposition....are you short tempered or gullible or does wisdom have a priority and so on.

God breathed his Spirit into the clay and it was energised....it became living ie, a living soul.
God didn't give us a soul as a seperate entity to our bodies anymore that he gave us a spirit as a seperate entity.

We are living souls animated by the spirit of life from God.....so to ask about burial or cremation on the basis of an erroneous view, makes the question irrelevant.
 

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In Biblical times, bodies were initially placed in tombs, then (after a year) when only the bones were left, they were placed in a box (an ossuary). Somehow I suspect that's not what your friends are thinking of!

Personally, I don't think the manner of disposal of bodies makes much difference. If you're buried, your grave may be disturbed (in the UK, you only 'own' your grave for 100 years, then it gets given to someone else!) Cremation just speeds up the process of returning to dust. Again, in the UK there's such a shortage of burial space that cremation is fast becoming the only practical option.
 

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Firstly, the idea that 'spirit' is an entity seperate from the rest of our being is a pagan view. If we take this view onboard, all manner of secondary ideas are birthed....one of which is where it goes when you die.

If we ask, 'what spirit reigns in you'? don't we mean what is your attitude/ disposition....are you short tempered or gullible or does wisdom have a priority and so on.

God breathed his Spirit into the clay and it was energised....it became living ie, a living soul.
God didn't give us a soul as a seperate entity to our bodies anymore that he gave us a spirit as a seperate entity.

We are living souls animated by the spirit of life from God.....so to ask about burial or cremation on the basis of an erroneous view, makes the question irrelevant.

You stated that "the idea that spirit is an entity separate from the rest of our being is a pagan view." This, more than likely and understandably, reflects your particular theological understanding of the nature of man.
There are believers who hold a holistic view of mankind, while others understand Scripture to distinguish between body, soul, and spirit. Both views seek to be biblically grounded, and both appeal to passages such as Genesis 2:7, 1 Thessalonians 5:23, Hebrews 4:12, Ecclesiastes 12:7, Matthew 10:28, Luke 23:46, and Acts 7:59.

To say that anyone who understands the spirit to continue apart from the body is adopting a "pagan view" is, in my opinion, going beyond what Scripture actually says. The Bible itself does not label that understanding as pagan.

There is a difference between saying, "I understand these passages to teach..." and saying, "The Bible teaches..." when sincere, Bible-believing Christians have interpreted those passages differently throughout church history.

I think it is healthier for us to acknowledge where Scripture is explicit and where our theology influences how we understand certain passages. That allows us to discuss these matters without suggesting that those who hold a different biblical interpretation are borrowing from paganism. :gd
 

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There is no scriptural mandate either way. However, I feel more comfortable with a good ole "Christian Burial".
 
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You stated that "the idea that spirit is an entity separate from the rest of our being is a pagan view." This, more than likely and understandably, reflects your particular theological understanding of the nature of man.
There are believers who hold a holistic view of mankind, while others understand Scripture to distinguish between body, soul, and spirit. Both views seek to be biblically grounded, and both appeal to passages such as Genesis 2:7, 1 Thessalonians 5:23, Hebrews 4:12, Ecclesiastes 12:7, Matthew 10:28, Luke 23:46, and Acts 7:59.

To say that anyone who understands the spirit to continue apart from the body is adopting a "pagan view" is, in my opinion, going beyond what Scripture actually says. The Bible itself does not label that understanding as pagan.

There is a difference between saying, "I understand these passages to teach..." and saying, "The Bible teaches..." when sincere, Bible-believing Christians have interpreted those passages differently throughout church history.

I think it is healthier for us to acknowledge where Scripture is explicit and where our theology influences how we understand certain passages. That allows us to discuss these matters without suggesting that those who hold a different biblical interpretation are borrowing from paganism. :gd
Nobody who deems themselves an active Christian feels comfortable with the idea that their points of view are influenced by fundamental pagan positions. Denial is the immediate possibility if it threatens a favourite view. Another option is to find out what the fundamental premise is of Pagan philosophies. If they align with ones view, one can be certain scriptures will be cherry picked to support that view ....and call it biblical.
 

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Firstly, the idea that 'spirit' is an entity seperate from the rest of our being is a pagan view. If we take this view onboard, all manner of secondary ideas are birthed....one of which is where it goes when you die.

If we ask, 'what spirit reigns in you'? don't we mean what is your attitude/ disposition....are you short tempered or gullible or does wisdom have a priority and so on.

God breathed his Spirit into the clay and it was energised....it became living ie, a living soul.
God didn't give us a soul as a seperate entity to our bodies anymore that he gave us a spirit as a seperate entity.

We are living souls animated by the spirit of life from God.....so to ask about burial or cremation on the basis of an erroneous view, makes the question irrelevant.
How do you explain this?

Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
 
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How do you explain this?

Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Stephan was not asking for revenge or what our system calls justice but rather his alignment with the spirit of Jesus; that of forgiveness and the confidence that his request is granted.
He was not referring to a seperate entity to his reality.
 

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Stephan was not asking for revenge or what our system calls justice but rather his alignment with the spirit of Jesus; that of forgiveness and the confidence that his request is granted.
He was not referring to a seperate entity to his reality.
Interesting reply, never heard that view before. What do you think Jesus meant here?

Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
 
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Interesting reply, never heard that view before. What do you think Jesus meant here?

Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
It's no different. Jesus was in absolute sync with his Father. .....Stephan reflected the spirit of Jesus
Stephan prayed that the sin of his executioners not to be held against them.
Jesus prayed for the forgiveness of his executioners.
 

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Firstly, the idea that 'spirit' is an entity seperate from the rest of our being is a pagan view. If we take this view onboard, all manner of secondary ideas are birthed....one of which is where it goes when you die.

If we ask, 'what spirit reigns in you'? don't we mean what is your attitude/ disposition....are you short tempered or gullible or does wisdom have a priority and so on.

God breathed his Spirit into the clay and it was energised....it became living ie, a living soul.
God didn't give us a soul as a seperate entity to our bodies anymore that he gave us a spirit as a seperate entity.

We are living souls animated by the spirit of life from God.....so to ask about burial or cremation on the basis of an erroneous view, makes the question irrelevant.
Thank you for your thoughtful post.

Fundamental to the Christian is accepting Jesus as Savior. What does “Jesus is my Savior” mean to you? (What is it that the Christian believes will be saved, and when?)

Blessings.
 

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I have been discussing this with my friends and family about whether they are going to be buried or cremated when they die. Some said they would be buried as per the Old Testament believers, and others at the time were also placed in a sepulcher. Others said that they would choose to be cremated since it is their spirit that goes into heaven and physical bodies cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. What are your thoughts on this?
Do they not believe in the resurrection? I was wondering because your post said..."Their spirit that goes into heaven and physical bodies cannot enter the kingdom of heaven."
 
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My wife bought the plot next to her son when we buried him. There's no room left for me in that section of the cemetery, so I think I want the doctors to harvest whatever parts I have left that still work that somebody else could use, burn the rest with all my faults, and spread the ashes in the left-front bunker by the first green at the golf course where my league plays. I've had many a round die in that sand trap. (Sprinkling the ashes in the lake in front of #17 would keep quite a few of my old golf balls company, but I don't think that complies with the state environmental regulations.)
 
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Fun fact, at 4000m deep in the ocean bones will dissolve directly into the sea-water. So for the sea to give up it's dead would require remaking the body.

Also: In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

So... I see no issue with cremation, it speeds up a natural process. I don't like the idea of keeping ashes around the house though, I recommend they be buried.
 

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My wife bought the plot next to her son when we buried him. There's no room left for me in that section of the cemetery, so I think I want the doctors to harvest whatever parts I have left that still work that somebody else could use, burn the rest with all my faults, and spread the ashes in the left-front bunker by the first green at the golf course where my league plays. I've had many a round die in that sand trap. (Sprinkling the ashes in the lake in front of #17 would keep quite a few of my old golf balls company, but I don't think that complies with the state environmental regulations.)
Many cemeteries allow urns to be buried over top a grave. And there are headstones designed to store ashes.
 

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Cremation is not a problem.

Many Christian’s martyrs were burned at the stake.

God can pull our atoms back together to resurrect us.

Burial in Bible times was rather different from what is done today. Dead bodies were put in caves, then the bones put into boxes. Preserving a body by embalming was a pagan Egyptian idea.
 
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I have been discussing this with my friends and family about whether they are going to be buried or cremated when they die. Some said they would be buried as per the Old Testament believers, and others at the time were also placed in a sepulcher. Others said that they would choose to be cremated since it is their spirit that goes into heaven and physical bodies cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. What are your thoughts on this?
Nothing is impossible for God. I wouldn't worry about His ability to resurrect anyone. Having said that- in all instances in the scriptures people are buried with the exception of those who could not be of course- died at sea etc. and this one instance in Samuel.
1 Samuel 31:11-13 – “When the people of Jabesh Gilead heard what the Philistines had done to Saul, all their valiant men marched through the night to Beth Shan. They took down the bodies of Saul and his sons from the wall of Beth Shan and went to Jabesh, where they burned them. Then they took their bones and buried them under a tamarisk tree at Jabesh, and they fasted seven days.”
While we can’t draw specific conclusions as to why the decision was made to burn their bodies, what we can say, I suppose is that cremation is not sinful. It’s possible the men who did that were actually honoring the bodies of Saul and his son which were desecrated by the Philistines. I am not saying cremation is honorable or not, but in this case, that could have been the motivation.?

I faced this decision not long ago with regard to a loved one, so I looked into what is involved in cremation... I was total turned off by it- but others may see it differently-- it seems it is usually about saving money. Each to his own on this one..

 
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