MostlyConfused
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I saw him go over this in one of his videos before my tv broke. To do right is acceptable to God. To be holy pleases Him.
Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2
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He was never at any point JUST a man though, was He? Otherwise God could have chosen any old covenant keeping human to be Messiah.
So you are saying that Jesus wasn't human? He was just an emanation from God? He only SEEMED to have a body? Many follow Docetism because they don't want to be responsible for their own actions.
A denial of Jesus as a mere human as well as being God is a denial of Christ. And we are to follow Christ AS HUMANS...because we are not God. How can we expect to be elevated into a divine place when we are not seeing Jesus for who He really is? And not doing at LEAST as He did humanly speaking?
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amigo de christo
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Yes indeed my dear sister . I have said that ye shall die in your sins , for IF YOU BELEIVE NOT that I AM HE
then you shall die in your sins .
If even cornelioius who did much good works , alms and prayers , YET STILL had to hear the Dire necessity
to BELIEVE on JESUS , in order to be saved . Then i suggest all that cliams the name of JESUS
begin with that reminder , Namely with this warning
Beware lest that come upon you which is written in the prophets
Behold , wonder and PERISH
for i will work a work in your days that you WILL NOT BELIEVE though a man declare it unto you .
HE who believes IN JESUS has The Father
but HE who believes not IN JESUS the CHRIST has not the father and in fact calls GOD A LIAR .
John knew . FOR HE had sat under T HE ONE TRUE CHRIST .
AND JESUS said , HE who recieves HIS testimony has set to his seal THAT GOD IS TRUE .
He who believ es not the testimony that GOD ALLMIGHTY Himself testied on the SON ,
MAKETH GOD A LIAR .
NOW I SAY LET GOD bE TRUE but every man a liar . AS did paul too .
Someone is preaching a whole other gospel which st ems from inclusvism .
Believing in a fab le and yet proclaiming himself as an ambassador OF CHRIST .
KINDA ODD dont ya think .
CAUSE paul i KNOW was an ambassador of CHRIST , AND HE DARN SURE WENT ABOUT PREACHING
the ABSOLUTE dire necessity FOR to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and reminding
them all about being hearers and doers of the Word .
Someone is lying dear sister . Someone beleives in what is known as incluvisim .
Someone is calling SOMEONE else a liar . THIS ONE , IF YE BELEIVE NOT that I AM HE then ye shall die in your sins .
And that aint preaching squat about having TO FIRST beleive ON THIS JESUS . they simply preach
PUT HORSE IN CART and PULL . and do so under the guise THAT SOMEHOW THIS COMETH OF JESUS . IT DONT SISTER .
ONLY the dark one would tell a man , OH YE CAN SURELY DO without having to BELEIVE .
AND WHY would the serpent say such a thing . FOR THE SAME reason
he told eve , SURELY YE SHALL NOT DIE . cause HE DESIRES ONLY DEATH and SECOND DEATH for humanity .
amigo de christo
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He has always been THE WORD OF GOD , WHICH was With GOD and GOD was the WORD .
It just the WORD simply became flesh , FOR OUR SAKES and ALL TO THE HONOR AND GLORY OF GOD
HE who does not honor the SON , does not HONOR the FATHER .
And he who says OH i dont beleive , i follow muhammed and or any othe rreligoin , OH THEY DO CALL GOD A LIAR .
AND DO NOT HONOR THE SON and have called HIM a liar .
EPI dont know the dangers he is in sister . Going after those who actually DO preach the one true gospel
and calling it , OH YEAH RELIGOIUS DOGMA . well i got news
THAT ol cart cant pull itself , nor can any man put horse into cart and pull . IT IS ALL in vain .
LORD who then can be sav ed . With man THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE
but not WITH GOD . AND GOD has already chosen That by the preaching of the gospel of JESUS CHRIST
to save those who .........................BELIEVE . DENY HIM and HE WILL DENY YOU . something epi
better be aware of my dear sister . DENY HIM and HE will DENY YOU . so lets not deny HIS GOSPEL
Exactly. Those who DO righteousness are accepted with God. That's what Peter says. If you read the bible and respect God's word you will agree. I don't listen to pretenders who debunk apostles in favour of their own silly notions.
Are you saying we should go about seeking to establish our own righteousness? That is the old covenant. When I came to faith, Jesus turned my life around 180 degrees in an instant and put me on the path of righteousness. Not perfectly, not in every way, but in an overall way and in some very specific ways. I assure you that righteousness didn't come from me, it was a free gift and miracle from HIM, just s the bible says.
Calling faith imaginary is well, going to get someone in big trouble with the Lord I fear.
My contention is that those who don't understand me also don't understand the bible. God is BOTH merciful AND severe. Modern religious churchy people have NEITHER righteousness nor holiness. They are not merciful, instead condemning the righteous whom God does NOT condemn. God LOVES the righteous. And they are not holy. Trying to be justified by Christ IN THEIR SINS.
Mercy is inclusive. Glory is exclusive. VERY FEW can understand more than one thing like that. No knowledge, no understanding.
People who judge from their religious inclinations are only heaping condemnation on themselves.
Mercy is inclusive. Glory is exclusive. VERY FEW can understand more than one thing like that. No knowledge, no understanding.
People who judge from their religious inclinations are only heaping condemnation on themselves.
You exclude the righteous...so God will exclude you. Very simple. Read the bible.
LOL. You always twist the bible and my words. A perfect Pharisee. We obey Jesus in righteousness. You are trying to obey Jesus in unrighteousness. And you think that upholds His holiness? It doesn't.
I could ask you why you are ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth?
The Old Covenant standard is NOT thrown away. The law of God is our test of both righteousness AND holiness. 2 tablets, 2 laws, 2 standards. Basic righteousness is an everlasting standard even if it is an OT standard. God is in the OT AND the NT. Hypocrites can't be taught anything. Paul says that the OT scriptures are for INSTRUCTION in righteousness. You deny this in order to formulate your own vain philosophy.
Beliefs are imaginary...again you twist my words because you are bent.
You can justify yourself all you want. Judgment is coming.
Jesus asks...why do you call me Lord and don't DO what I say?????? Doing is righteousness. The Lord is not saying we should do the impossible to be righteous...He is saying we should do as the righteous do. Be honest, love others, be humble, fear God...all the things that those who oppose me here are not doing because they think they have a special status with God to disobey Him.
Mercy is better than sacrifice. God has always been merciful. Not so the vain religionists on this thread and in the fallen church at large.
Mercy is better than sacrifice. God has always been merciful. Not so the vain religionists on this thread and in the fallen church at large.
amigo de christo
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according to you i exclude the righteous .
but tell me dear dear epi , is a man that calls GOD a liar righteous .
I am sure you would say , of course not aimgo . IF one calls GOD a liar
they do NOT righteously . SO
KEEP that in mind EPI . For he who believes NOT the testimony that GOD gave
OF THE SON , CALLS GOD A LIAR epi .
SO the false religoins are FALSE EPI ,
and there truly is only ONE WAY to be translated OUT OF DARKNESS
and out from under the power of the dragon.
AND HIS NAME BE JESUS CHRIST and ONE MUST BLEIEVE ON HIM EPI .
Even cornelious did many good works , which were good .
EVEN HE had to hear the gospel and BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST to b e saved epi .
yet you call those who REMIND US about having to FIRST Believe on JESUS ,
As somehow opposed to GOD and even the righteousness of GOD , WHICH OH YEAH EPI
IT IS bY FAITH . But not in faith in ourselves and in false religoins , BUT RATHER FAITH IN HE WHOM GOD
really DID SEND , aka JESUS THE CHRIST .
You simply use his teachings to imply something THAT IS NOT T RUE . You use
the very words and good wholesome teachings that CHRIST gave
BuT DO SO in a seriously bad way . AND I KNOW WHY that is epi .
YOU yourself long ago did NOT DENY when i asked you about inclusivism . THAT my friend WILL be your downfall .
CAUSE NO MAN BY THE SPIRIT O GOD calleth JESUS accursed .
AND ALL THE FALSE RELIGOINS DO , as well as even UNBELEIVING JEWS .
SO how about you put the HORSE back n FRONT of the cart and THEN try teaching things JESUS taught .
So receiving Christ and having your life turned around means one is a "modern churchy people"?
The bible says there is no one righteous.
And this:
Heb 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
I do not condemn the lost especially since I was once very lost myself, and I can relate to being that way.....and not to mention we never know who will be saved. I believe God will answer sincerely seeking hearts, although even the hearts that are seeking the truth, I believe that is from God too really because they were foreknown by Him.
That's what happens in the system churches. Instead of going to God people find it easier to go to churches and become indoctrinated, making them feel good, and making lots of money for the pulpeteers. Just like the vast majority, you will twist and shout but you won't seek God.
You are skirting around the issue as always. In God's sight NO human can claim to be righteous....even churchy people. Humble people don't consider themselves as being humble. Righteous people don't consider themselves to be righteous. ONLY the self-righteous do that. Those who are justified are ashamed of themselves.
And enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man living be justified. Ps. 143:2
There is only one instance in the entire bible whereby the righteous are condemned along with the wicked. Do you know where and why that is?
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MostlyConfused
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If God ever has that man walk in His holiness again someone is going to get in big trouble with the Lord if God doesn't ALSO forbid him to come in here again!
MostlyConfused
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You do exclude the righteous. You call mercy ..."inclusivism" ....because you think you are God's gift to humanity. But you don't realize that by excluding those whom God is including....you are excluding yourself. Such wisdom is light years beyond your understanding.
That's why you hate the righteous...because you call God a liar. Those who DO righteousness are accepted with God...but you condemn them.
You are just a religionist. You think you will be judged because you chose the right religion? That your opinions save you? You think there will be a questionnaire to fill out before entering the eternal rest? Do you understand the English words I am using?
Yes....through Christ.
You are still under that power. You only have a theoretical name and claim grasp of things that are fully outside your understanding...like many many modern religionists.
Why Amigo why??? Name and claim? You think God wants lip-service. You are only right in theory NOT in practice.
He was righteous and accepted with God. He had as an unbeliever more faith than the religionists of his day. But you can't see that.
False. Cornelius was offered eternal life as a saint..not just saved (he was already saved in God's eyes). No Cornelius is part of the Bride of Christ...not just "saved" as you parrot endlessly without knowledge. You don't know what glory is. Cornelius was given access to God's glory through Christ. You think you have glory but you are failing even the most basic righteousness...which is about mercy and humility...qualities you don't possess.
Wrong again. Jesus said seek FIRST the kingdom of God. You don't understand what faith is.
Religious sloganeering that is fully hostile to any form of righteousness.
The only time that the righteous are condemned along with the wicked is in the holy city where ONLY saints are allowed. What is holy is untouchable by the righteous. Remember Uzzah and the cart.
Here is what is normally found in distinguishing between the righteous and the wicked.
"He that justifies the wicked, and he that condemns the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD." Prov. 17:15
And here is the exception based on holiness...
Because I will cut off both the righteous and the wicked, My sword will be unsheathed against everyone from south to north. Ez. 21:4
This is based on location, location, location. No one can claim holiness who is not holy. No one can enter the holy place and live unless they are permitted entry by the Lord. Many here claim things for themselves, a sinful holiness, a lawless salvation etc.. But even if these were righteous in behaviour (which I see they are not) they would still be transgressing the Lord by naming and claiming what is a lie in their case.
The lesson is to stay humble and not esteem yourself higher than you ought to. Why? To survive the coming judgment.
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger. Zeph 2:3
v8 and v9 tell you that without grace (Christ) everyone is lost, whatever good works, they will die in their sins.
And if you disobeyed any old covenant keeping human that would be fine....but you are disobeying the true Messiah who came as a man ...not God. He acted as a man following His Father. But you look down on His humanity because it doesn't serve you personally. Instead His human obedience condemns you because you only see Jesus as an emanation of divinity and not as someone to obey. You are not divine and are fully outside the scope of what Jesus came to save.
You are just any old docetist that denies the humanity of Jesus. Very common....
A foolish person holds a fish and when seeing another fish drops the first one to grab the other...and on and on. People want what Jesus can give in their selfish pride. But Jesus came as a man...the Son of Man. Unless people recognize the HUMANITY of Jesus and human righteousness they have NO PART with Him. Jesus is not looking for fake worship. He is not an idol.
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