Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[amigo de christo]

And whatsoever is not of FAITH is SIN, so I don't see how our own human righteousness can please God. It couldn't, and this is why the new covenant was given.

you ever heard the expression that one can be as lost as a goose flying in a hailstorm .
Sister we got the blind d oing all to lead the blind . JESUS and the dire need to FIRST BELIEVE ON HIM
is being denied . And to be honest sister , real honest , I WOULD NOT want to be in those shoes on JESUS day .
But as for me and for the sheep , WE KNOW WHO WE GONNA POINT TOO , JESUS THE CHRIST
and all the lovely things HE did teach . NOT to exclude the fact that ITS ALL IN VAIN if the workman has
NOT FAITH IN THIS JESUS CHRIST . oh they can tug and p ull that cart of their own righteousness all day
AND IT AINT NEVER gonna get them to the FINISH LINE , only to the deadline .
As for m e , I KNOW WHO I NEED and I NEED AT ALL TIMES . HIS NAME BE JESUS CHRIST .
HE can and HE WILL SURELY GET ME where i need to be . Something man cannot do for himself
WITHOUT FAITH IN THIS JESUS CHRIST .
OL epi accused me of excluding the righteous ones . WELL sister
SHOW ME ONE MAN WHO IS righteous , IN THE EYES OF GOD , and who needs NOT to BELEIVE ON JESUS
to be saved or even made the righteousness of GOD .
AND if one man does appear and makes such a cliam , YOU can bet HE IS LYING ALREADY . and thou shalt not lie .
IN fact , HOW righteous IS ONE , WHEN HE CALLS THE VERY GOD A LIAR .
AND THOSE WHO beleive NOT HIS testimony about the SON , THEY DO CALL HIM A LIAR .
AND I JUST BET their works WILL NOT SAVE THEM , NOR THE GOD THEY CALLED A LIAR spare them ON THE DAY
of jud gment . GOD DESIRES THE GLORY
and TO NOT GIVE THE SON THE GLORY , WILL NOT and DOES NOT GIVE THE FATHER WHO SENT HIM THE GLORY .
GOD desires OBEDIANCE . AND TO NOT OBEY THE SON , OOPSY . GOD has chosen HOW to save this world
and according to epi , THAT IS NO LONGER THE WAY , ITS HEY just pick up your cross no matter what religoin ye are
and lets all pull the cart of our righteousness to GOD . ONLY , oops
that boat wont float on HIS DAY . FOR all the righteousness of man is but filth , IN THE EYES OF SUCH A HOLY
AND PURE GOD . THAT BE WHY HE SENT THE SON . TO DO for the eaters of the tree , WHAT THEY nor any other
COULD DO FOR THEMSELVES . TO BRING Us OUT FROM DEATH , TO GIVE US ET ERNAL LIFE
and to make US RIGHT with GOD again . EPI is in deadly danger and even once again HE defended that inclusivism for all to see .

 

[shepherdsword]

You are mistaken to assume what state I am in. And you are mistaken to assume how I go about to "measure" anyone. When you go on to base conclusions on these assumptions, you will reach a different destination.

My first contact with him was in 2010, for whatever that is worth. What matters to me is whether or not his teaching aligns with Scripture, and I've found many places where it does not. Questioning him on these points is what turned him to an enemy. Nothing more than that, just showing Scripture that disagrees with his statements.

Consider carefully what assumptions you make of others.

Much love!

When I hear you rail against things you really don't understand then I call that measuring someone.

 

[Laurina]

Oh no, trust me, I’m still confused. But maybe not as much. I had it in mind that the righteous inherit the earth but couldn’t understand how the righteous ALSO go to outer darkness. I feel stupid for not seeing it. If you are righteous but you are a complete offense to holiness your previous righteousness is no more. There’s a verse on it.
So I see the holy, the righteous, the righteous who become unrighteousness, but you said 4 eternal states. I only see three.

There's the holy, the righteous, the filthy, and the wicked.
See Revelation 22:11, I think Shepherdsword posted it.
Also, Noah's three sons...3 surviving destinies...and 1 destiny which doesn't survive, they drowned in the flood (think lake of fire...the wicked).
The filthy hold the truth in unrighteousness. (Rom.1:18)

Hope this helps!!

 

[marks]

I have passive voice for "let him be holy" but "let him be righteous isn't even a verb in this parsing.

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I also have passive voice for "let him be filthy"
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There is a variant, which manuscript is this?

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

You do exclude the righteous. You call mercy ..."inclusivism" ....because you think you are God's gift to humanity. But you don't realize that by excluding those whom God is including....you are excluding yourself. Such wisdom is light years beyond your understanding.


That's why you hate the righteous...because you call God a liar. Those who DO righteousness are accepted with God...but you condemn them.


You are just a religionist. You think you will be judged because you chose the right religion? That your opinions save you? You think there will be a questionnaire to fill out before entering the eternal rest? Do you understand the English words I am using?


Yes....through Christ.


You are still under that power. You only have a theoretical name and claim grasp of things that are fully outside your understanding...like many many modern religionists.


Why Amigo why??? Name and claim? You think God wants lip-service. You are only right in theory NOT in practice.


He was righteous and accepted with God. He had as an unbeliever more faith than the religionists of his day. But you can't see that.



False. Cornelius was offered eternal life as a saint..not just saved (he was already saved in God's eyes). No Cornelius is part of the Bride of Christ...not just "saved" as you parrot endlessly without knowledge. You don't know what glory is. Cornelius was given access to God's glory through Christ. You think you have glory but you are failing even the most basic righteousness...which is about mercy and humility...qualities you don't possess.


Wrong again. Jesus said seek FIRST the kingdom of God. You don't understand what faith is.

Religious sloganeering that is fully hostile to any form of righteousness.

you said I THINK i am GODS GIFT to HUMANITY .
SORRY epi but again that man is you .
I ACTUALLY PREACH THE GIFT OF GOD TO HUMANITY . YOU KNOW , JESUS CHRIST and THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIM .
You preach a cart with THE HORSE IN IT . that is NOT the gift of GOD epi . ITS a lie .

 

[shepherdsword]

There is a variant, which manuscript is this?

Much love!

They are the same in the nestles and the TR. It's the PARSING that is different. My ISA has the same parsing:

 

[Laurina]

There's the holy, the righteous, the filthy, and the wicked.
See Revelation 22:11, I think Shepherdsword posted it.
Also, Noah's three sons...3 surviving destinies...and 1 destiny which doesn't survive, they drowned in the flood (think lake of fire...the wicked).
The filthy hold the truth in unrighteousness. (Rom.1:18)

Hope this helps!!

@MostlyConfused

There's also the 4 rivers that go out from the garden of Eden in Genesis 2:10.

 

[shepherdsword]

@MostlyConfused

There's also the 4 rivers that go out from the garden of Eden in Genesis 2:10.

There is also 4 living creatures before God on His throne.

 

[marks]

To this we must take heed

2 Co 5:10-11 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

The religious dogma of the Babylonian system tells us we have nothing to fear. The bible says otherwise. This is why we must be lowly and humble and not assume we are something we are not. Nor should we deal with matters that are over our head:

Ps 131:1 Lord, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.

Two ditches, legalism and liscentiousness.

Is this fear of the Lord because He might strip us of reward and honor, or because He might remove from us our new life in Christ?

Do we really have any concept of the amazing and wonderful things God might work through us were we devoted to Him fully? What will be left undone, that will shake us to our core when we come to learn such things?

What will be the true eternal price for our inaction, or for our diversion into sin? I don't think we can truly understand.

I agree with you that we are best off not thinking much of ourselves, and simply be humble to try to do the right thing right now.

And we should always remember,

Galatians 5:25 KJV
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Walking in the Spirit is not only available to us, but we are admonished to do so, with the presupposition being that we are able to.

Much love!

 

[marks]

They are the same in the nestles and the TR. It's the PARSING that is different. My ISA has the same parsing:

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I thought I saw spelling differences. If you are using the Critical Text that would explain the difference.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

You are mistaken to assume what state I am in. And you are mistaken to assume how I go about to "measure" anyone. When you go on to base conclusions on these assumptions, you will reach a different destination.

My first contact with him was in 2010, for whatever that is worth. What matters to me is whether or not his teaching aligns with Scripture, and I've found many places where it does not. Questioning him on these points is what turned him to an enemy. Nothing more than that, just showing Scripture that disagrees with his statements.

Consider carefully what assumptions you make of others.

Much love!

Trolling again, I see. What makes you so hostile is that you disregard all the bible passages I quote...because you were never indoctrinated into those. You only cite what you have been conditioned into improperly with a carnal understanding. Credulity preys on human beliefs and the adversary presents things that give the flesh an advantage....which you jump on while swallowing the lies hook line and sinker. The lies appeal to your flesh. My teaching includes all scripture. Your bible outlook is like the little book in Rev 10. You think it tastes good for now. But bitterness awaits.

 

[Episkopos]

There is also 4 living creatures before God on His throne.

There are 4 types of soil......4 types of people who receive the seed (word).

The wicked ignore the word.

The filthy receive the word with joy at first (like many here)...but there is no depth of soil and they get offended at the truth (What!!! I don't have to die...Jesus did it for me.)

The righteous care for the things of the world but they love their neighbour and families. They bear no eternal fruit in holiness. But God loves them. They bear a temporal fruit of righteousness...doing what they can do in the limitation of the flesh. The righteous do the law but stop at the cares of this world. They know nothing of eternal things.

The holy bear eternal and lasting fruit because they surrender themselves to God and are taken up. They forsake all for Christ going much farther than the righteous do. Going the extra mile. They love God more than their families...

 

[marks]

Trolling again, I see. What makes you so hostile is that you disregard all the bible passages I quote...because you were never indoctrinated into those. You only cite what you have been conditioned into improperly with a carnal understanding. Credulity preys on human beliefs and the adversary presents things that give the flesh an advantage....which you jump on while swallowing the lies hook line and sinker. The lies appeal to your flesh. My teaching includes all scripture. Your bible outlook is like the little book in Rev 10. You think it tastes good for now. But bitterness awaits.

Pay attention, all reading this thread.

Much love!

 

[marks]

things you really don't understand

Like what?

Much love!

 

[shepherdsword]

Two ditches, legalism and liscentiousness.

Is this fear of the Lord because He might strip us of reward and honor, or because He might remove from us our new life in Christ?

Do we really have any concept of the amazing and wonderful things God might work through us were we devoted to Him fully? What will be left undone, that will shake us to our core when we come to learn such things?

What will be the true eternal price for our inaction, or for our diversion into sin? I don't think we can truly understand.

I agree with you that we are best off not thinking much of ourselves, and simply be humble to try to do the right thing right now.

And we should always remember,

Galatians 5:25 KJV
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Walking in the Spirit is not only available to us, but we are admonished to do so, with the presupposition being that we are able to.

Much love!

Do you think "the TERROR" of the Lord is only because we stand to lose some rewards?

 

[Episkopos]

Like what?

Much love!

You need a whole thread for this. All the things that Mark gets wrong about the New Covenant. Of course you are not alone in the misconceptions that have infiltrated into the religious system. Remember, the devil deceives the whole world...especially the churches.

 

[Episkopos]

What makes people think that God goes easy on Gentiles and hard only on the Jews? Paul warns us that we can be rejected as easily as the many who perished in the wilderness. But there is a pride that says we are more special than the Jews...that we are wiser than them....that God favours us more. In a blind conceit, a small measure of grace has been enough to spoil so many so that even the Pharisees would blush.

 

[marks]

Do you think "the TERROR" of the Lord is only because we stand to lose some rewards?

No, as I've previously written. But nor do I think it means being cast away from Jesus, if you have been baptized into Him.

 

[marks]

A couple of things on that. First, Abraham was already counted as righteous by faith (Gen 15:6) roughly 30-40 years before he offered Isaac (Gen 22) - decades before the works you're pointing to. So whatever "justified" means in James, it can't mean the works added to or produced his righteousness, since that was already credited to him long before.

Second, your assumption is that "justified" in that verse means something was added to his righteousness. But James is using "justified" to mean his faith was shown, demonstrated, confirmed as genuine, not that the works contributed to a righteousness he didn't already have.

Like always, it's the context.

James 2:18 KJV
18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

The whole point here is that while God sees the heart, God is the One Who justifies people, obviously God knows who He has or has not justified, man does not see the heart, only what we do.

"Show me thy faith . . .", "I will show thee my faith . . ." This is not about God learning whether or not He has justified us, that would be absurd, as if He were ignorant about all this. We are justified to others (shown to be righteous) by our works, while God sees our faith itself.

Much love!

 

[shepherdsword]

I thought I saw spelling differences. If you are using the Critical Text that would explain the difference.

Much love!

I use both the Critical and TR