To understand Christianity, you must understand Judaism

[GeneZ]

What you are saying? To understand Christianity is to understand the whole Bible.

Yes...The whole Bible....

But?
It is one bit at a time!

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“Whom will he teach knowledge?​

And whom will he make to understand the message?​

Those just weaned from milk?​

Those just drawn from the breasts?​

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,​

Line upon line, line upon line,​

Here a little, there a little.”​

Isaiah 28:9-10



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[GeneZ]

Yea it is common belief.....but not biblical.
Yahweh begot a Son with Miriam.
God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.....
Over 50 time Yeshua says My Father and My Father in Heaven.
Yeshua sits on a throne to the right of Yahweh.
Yeshua did not do His will, but the will of His Father.
Yeshua calls Yahweh His God.
This is My Son of Whom I am well pleased....

Jesus came to earth as a man.
Because?
Had to be as a man in order to qualify to die in your place.

But?
After he accomplished atonement that required for him to be as a man?
He ascended and returned to heaven to where He was restored to His glory.

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form. Colossians 2:9​

Why do you guys hate this truth so much?


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[Grailhunter]

I hear Jehovah Witnesses refuse to defend their own nation by serving in the military?
Is that true?

I am definitely not Jehovah's Witness but you are right. The do not serve in the military.

 

[Grailhunter]

What you are saying? To understand Christianity is to understand the whole Bible. The only thing that matters is the truth of God's Word.
I don't believe jews care much about Jesus Christ so I don't think they would really be the ones to listen to, quite frankly.

Instead of throwing whatever you threw against the wall to see if it would stick, try comparing scripture with scripture, Old and New Covenant/ Testament.

A lot of the circumstances that set up the New Testament, started in the Old Testament.
And the first Christians were Jewish-Christians.

 

[GeneZ]

Here is the Irony of Ironies....

I was born Jewish.
Grew up Jewish
My father was one of the founders of my local synagogue.
Was bar mitzvah'd at thirteen.

Around 19 years of age?
I was handed a tract and decided to ask Jesus to save me.
I thought nothing would happen to me.
I simply wanted to believe.
I began to change in unexplainable ways.

Then... about ten years later my feet touched ground on a campus of a Bible college.
And, after graduation? I discovered an excellent pastor who taught daily from the Hebrew and Greek,
and gave much needed historical backgrounds for why passages were written in the Bible as they were.

You know what amazed me the most?
I never really understood Judaism until after I was taught in depth the NT!

And, I might add. The ones who understood Judaism the best? Were best able to teach the NT.
And, all my teachers?
They were not Jewish!

Enuf said.

grace and peace ...

 

[Grailhunter]

Here is the Irony of Ironies....

I was born Jewish.
Grew up Jewish
My father was one of the founders of my local synagogue.
Was bar mitzvah'd at thirteen.

Around 19 years of age?
I was handed a tract and decided to ask Jesus to save me.
I thought nothing would happen to me.
I simply wanted to believe.
I began to change in unexplainable ways.

Then... about ten years later my feet touched ground on a campus of a Bible college.
And, after graduation? I discovered an excellent pastor who taught daily from the Hebrew and Greek,
and gave much needed historical backgrounds for why passages were written in the Bible as they were.

You know what amazed me the most?
I never really understood Judaism until after I was taught in depth the NT!

And, I might add. The ones who understood Judaism the best? Were best able to teach the NT.
And, all my teachers?
They were not Jewish!

Enuf said.

grace and peace ...

Is this a testimonial or are you addressing me?
Good for you that you had some formal education in Christianity.
Then I assume that you do not have the negative views about education that a lot of Christians have.
You said.....The ones who understood Judaism the best.....were able to teach the New Testament. That is the point of this thread.
I am not Jewish, but I grew up with them and had several Jewish friends. But my education into Judaism and their history came from college theology and Hebrew University.

 

[Luther7]

Is this a testimonial or are you addressing me?
Good for you that you had some formal education in Christianity.
Then I assume that you do not have the negative views about education that a lot of Christians have.
You said.....The ones who understood Judaism the best.....were able to teach the New Testament. That is the point of this thread.
I am not Jewish, but I grew up with them and had several Jewish friends. But my education into Judaism and their history came from college theology and Hebrew University.

So if you don't mind me asking, what did you think of their most authoritive book, the talmud?

 

[Luther7]

Here is the Irony of Ironies....

I was born Jewish.
Grew up Jewish
My father was one of the founders of my local synagogue.
Was bar mitzvah'd at thirteen.

Around 19 years of age?
I was handed a tract and decided to ask Jesus to save me.
I thought nothing would happen to me.
I simply wanted to believe.
I began to change in unexplainable ways.

Then... about ten years later my feet touched ground on a campus of a Bible college.
And, after graduation? I discovered an excellent pastor who taught daily from the Hebrew and Greek,
and gave much needed historical backgrounds for why passages were written in the Bible as they were.

You know what amazed me the most?
I never really understood Judaism until after I was taught in depth the NT!

And, I might add. The ones who understood Judaism the best? Were best able to teach the NT.
And, all my teachers?
They were not Jewish!

Enuf said.

grace and peace ...

My friend, what is judaism? Today's judaism?

 

[Luther7]

LOL
Life long formally educated Theologian.
Yeap I know what the Jews preach and believe.
And if you do not believe me when I say there are a lot of manic Jew haters out there.....turn you television on.

So what do they teach about non- jews? How about Jesus Christ and Christians?

 

[Luther7]

You don't believe? lol You mean you don't want to believe!

Ezekiel 11:17-20
17 Therefore say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "I will gather you from the peoples, assemble you from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel." '

And He did!

19 Then I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within them, and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, 20 that they may walk in My statutes and keep My judgments and do them; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

And He will!

Um, I guess you either didn't think verse 18 was important. Let's check it out:

17 Therefore say thou, Thus saith the Lord; I will also take them from the heathen, and gather them out of the lands wherein I have scattered them, and will give them the land of Israel.

18 And they shall enter in there, and shall remove all the abominations of it, and all its iniquities from it.
19 And I will give them another heart, and will put a new spirit within them; and will extract the heart of stone from their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh:
20 that they may walk in my commandments, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be to me a people, and I will be to them a God.

So, ah, is that what they did? Remove all the abominations in the land? All the sin?
And in verse 19, did God really put a new spirit in the Israelis? Like did He do that for the jewish IDF soldiers that like to pick off Palestinian children as they run for shelter after a bomb levels their apartment building? Are these the people you are talking about?

 

[GeneZ]

Is this a testimonial or are you addressing me?
Good for you that you had some formal education in Christianity.
Then I assume that you do not have the negative views about education that a lot of Christians have.
You said.....The ones who understood Judaism the best.....were able to teach the New Testament. That is the point of this thread.
I am not Jewish, but I grew up with them and had several Jewish friends. But my education into Judaism and their history came from college theology and Hebrew University.

You're missing the point....

What is the title of this thread?

To understand Christianity, you must understand Judaism.​

That is why I posted what I had.

 

[GeneZ]

My friend, what is judaism? Today's judaism?

I am talking about actual Biblical Judaism.

Judaism today makes no sense other than traditions that are shallow.

Many things Jesus said and did can not be understood correctly by many, unless Biblical Judaism is understood.

 

[Jack]

Um, I guess you either didn't think verse 18 was important. Let's check it out:

17 Therefore say thou, Thus saith the Lord; I will also take them from the heathen, and gather them out of the lands wherein I have scattered them, and will give them the land of Israel.

18 And they shall enter in there, and shall remove all the abominations of it, and all its iniquities from it.
19 And I will give them another heart, and will put a new spirit within them; and will extract the heart of stone from their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh:
20 that they may walk in my commandments, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be to me a people, and I will be to them a God.

So, ah, is that what they did? Remove all the abominations in the land? All the sin?
And in verse 19, did God really put a new spirit in the Israelis? Like did He do that for the jewish IDF soldiers that like to pick off Palestinian children as they run for shelter after a bomb levels their apartment building? Are these the people you are talking about?

You've already shown your HATRED for "blood thirsty" Israel. Your opinions mean nothing to me. Israel is Home to stay in the Land of the Bible where Jesus will return, and all you Israel haters CAN'T change it.

 

[Luther7]

You've already shown your HATRED for "blood thirsty" Israel. Your opinions mean nothing to me. Israel is Home to stay in the Land of the Bible where Jesus will return, and all you Israel haters CAN'T change it.

So did they or did they not fulfill the verses you just sent me? It doesn't sound like it because those verses have nothing to do with them.

And I never said at any time that I hated Israel. I am just giving you some reality.

 

[Jack]

So did they or did they not fulfill the verses you just sent me? It doesn't sound like it because those verses have nothing to do with them.

And I never said at any time that I hated Israel. I am just giving you some reality.

"Blood thirsty Israel"

 

[Luther7]

I am talking about actual Biblical Judaism.

Judaism today makes no sense other than traditions.

Many things Jesus said and did can not be understood correctly by many unless Biblical Judaism is understood.

This is where a lot of people get confused. They think that today's jews are following a form of Old testament religion that Christians can identify with. But in reality the traditions are interpreted from the talmud, which has nothing to do with the God of the Bible.

"Blood thirsty Israel"

You have no clue what's going on.

 

[Jack]

This is where a lot of people get confused. They think that today's jews are following a form of Old testament religion that Christians can identify with. But in reality the traditions are interpreted from the talmud, which has nothing to do with the God of the Bible.

You have no clue what's going on.

I sure do. God keeps fighting for Israel! Don't you watch the News? Don't get in His way. It could be eternally fatal.

 

[Luther7]

I am talking about actual Biblical Judaism.

Judaism today makes no sense other than traditions that are shallow.

Many things Jesus said and did can not be understood correctly by many, unless Biblical Judaism is understood.

I call it the religion of the Old Testament. I believe that because most people don't know the difference between the two " judaisms" they think that today's jews are following the same old covenant as Israel did. We know nothing can be farther from the truth.

 

[Luther7]

I sure do. God keeps fighting for Israel! Don't you watch the News? Don't get in His way.

Sorry but my God is not blessing this state of perpetual wars of genocide and destruction. God wants us to love one another. Not remove a race of people from off the face of the earth.

 

[GeneZ]

This is where a lot of people get confused. They think that today's jews are following a form of Old testament religion that Christians can identify with. But in reality the traditions are interpreted from the talmud, which has nothing to do with the God of the Bible.

If you want to better understand both Christianity and Judaism?

I recommend this pastor/teacher.

He was the only pastor my Jewish father (who at one point disowned me for my faith) would listen to, and highly respected.

This pastor taught accurate Judaism as it applied to Jesus and the early Church.
Also, at one time many pastors would order his lessons for their own private study.

https://rbthieme.org/about-us

grace and peace...........