Christians who hate Israel

[markalan]

You either settle for a God who knows all our sins and condemns you for them or you live in the liberty of his Grace and Truth. God does not have favourites. He gives life and breath, sunshine and rain to all.

I believe that God judges all sin in a very strict and righteous manner ... that is why Jesus Christ had to die for our sins.

If a ruler obeys God, he will avenge wrong doing ... and in this role, he is the servant of God -
But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. (Romans 13:3-4)

What you share with this around you will be your judge.

We will be judged by God's Word.

As a Christian, a person should treat all people with kindness ... as a representative of the ruling authority, Scripture requires a person to enforce the law ... with deadly force when it is deemed necessary.

 

[quietthinker]

I believe that God judges all sin in a very strict and righteous manner ... that is why Jesus Christ had to die for our sins.

If a ruler obeys God, he will avenge wrong doing ... and in this role, he is the servant of God -
But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. (Romans 13:3-4)


We will be judged by God's Word.

As a Christian, a person should treat all people with kindness ... as a representative of the ruling authority, Scripture requires a person to enforce the law ... with deadly force when it is deemed necessary.

I guess you have no problem then with deadly force being a manifestation of kindness?

 

[markalan]

I guess you have no problem then with deadly force being a manifestation of kindness?

In 2024, a man with a knife began attacking people in a shopping centre here ... he stabbed and killed 6 people and wounded 10 others ... he was shot and killed by a police woman.

In the same city last year, two gunmen killed 15 people celebrating Hanukkah at Bondi Beach ... the shooters were only stopped by fire from police officers.

Can you not see the "manifestation of kindness" in risking one's own life to prevent other people from being injured or killed?

 

[quietthinker]

In 2024, a man with a knife began attacking people in a shopping centre here ... he stabbed and killed 6 people and wounded 10 others ... he was shot and killed by a police woman.

In the same city last year, two gunmen killed 15 people celebrating Hanukkah at Bondi Beach ... the shooters were only stopped by fire from police officers.

Can you not see the "manifestation of kindness" in risking one's own life to prevent other people from being injured or killed?

If we are to think and behave as the World does, violence becomes part of that reality.
If we are to think and behave as Jesus, violence has no part.

 

[Debp]

That video gives a very good understanding of what "nakba" really means ... it was a catastrophe for the Arabs that the Jewish people were able to defeat five armies against overwhelming odds ... those with spiritual insight will recognize God's hand in restoring Israel.

Yes it was a miracle Israel prevailed over all of those Arab countries coming against them at one time. I watched the movie Golda and she was undergoing secret cancer treatments as she led the fight.

 

[markalan]

If we are to think and behave as the World does, violence becomes part of that reality.
If we are to think and behave as Jesus, violence has no part.

Have you thought about the violence committed on innocent bystanders in the cases I quoted?
You might like to think of yourself as non violent, but if you are saying we should stand by and do nothing while others are violently attacked, you are, in effect, more violent than the police officers who shot the attackers.

 

[markalan]

Yes it was a miracle Israel prevailed over all of those Arab countries coming against them at one time. I watched the movie Golda and she was undergoing secret cancer treatments as she led the fight.

I have seen the 1982 movie "A Woman Called Gold" which is an exceptional movie - it's on Youtube.
Have not seen "Golda" the 2023 movie ... is that the one you saw?
These movies are so interesting because we can see Bible prophecy unfolding in front of our eyes.

 

[Debp]

In 2024, a man with a knife began attacking people in a shopping centre here ... he stabbed and killed 6 people and wounded 10 others ... he was shot and killed by a police woman.

In the same city last year, two gunmen killed 15 people celebrating Hanukkah at Bondi Beach ... the shooters were only stopped by fire from police officers.

Can you not see the "manifestation of kindness" in risking one's own life to prevent other people from being injured or killed?

I can understand if there's a madman running around killing people, he must be stopped.

We recently had another shooting in Idaho. An armed civilian was able to stop him but a couple of people got killed, some injured.

 

[quietthinker]

Have you thought about the violence committed on innocent bystanders in the cases I quoted?
You might like to think of yourself as non violent, but if you are saying we should stand by and do nothing while others are violently attacked, you are, in effect, more violent than the police officers who shot the attackers.

How is it thought Jesus responded to the soldiers as he saw crucifixions throughout Judea? Was he guilty because he didn't step in and stop the soldiers?

Deception manifests when one justifies violence.

 

[Debp]

I have seen the 1982 movie "A Woman Called Gold" which is an exceptional movie - it's on Youtube.
Have not seen "Golda" the 2023 movie ... is that the one you saw?
These movies are so interesting because we can see Bible prophecy unfolding in front of our eyes.

Yes I saw "Golda." It was free on Tubi, they might still have it. Or maybe YouTube has it.

 

[markalan]

How is it thought Jesus responded to the soldiers as he saw crucifixions throughout Judea? Was he guilty because he didn't step in and stop the soldiers?

Deception manifests when one justifies violence.

Jesus came the first time as the Lamb of God (John 10:15).
When He comes the second time, He will punish evil doers (Mat 25:46).

Why do you reject Paul's teaching in Romans 13 about government authority? Are you an anti Paulist?

 

[markalan]

Yes I saw "Golda." It was free on Tubi, they might still have it. Or maybe YouTube has it.

Just checked ... yes, it is on Youtube ... will cost me $3.99 Au but it will be excellent picture quality ... thanks.

 

[quietthinker]

Jesus came the first time as the Lamb of God (John 10:15).
When He comes the second time, He will punish evil doers (Mat 25:46).

Why do you reject Paul's teaching in Romans 13 about government authority? Are you an anti Paulist?

Coercion is the charge of Lucifer against God ie, God gets his own way only because he gets his pound of flesh so to speak.
Jesus came to reveal the truth of the character of his Father. Pushed to the limit, the up shot was he would rather die than kill.

God is love and in him is no darkness at all. 1 John

We are all evil doers yet God forgives. 'Punishment' is God giving folk over to their deliberate resistance to his drawing/ wooing. It is not an arbitrary infliction.

 

[Debp]

Just checked ... yes, it is on Youtube ... will cost me $3.99 Au but it will be excellent picture quality ... thanks.

Can you get the Tubi app in Australia? If so, Tubi has both the Golda movie and a Golda documentary. All are free. They also have true stories movies about the Holocaust and escapes from the concentration camps.

Tubi also has The German Doctor about Dr. Josef Mengele after he escaped to South America. It's very interesting how he lived there undetected.

P.S. Tubi TV also has a website.

 

[markalan]

Coercion is the charge of Lucifer against God ie, God gets his own way only because he gets his pound of flesh so to speak.
Jesus came to reveal the truth of the character of his Father. Pushed to the limit, the up shot was he would rather die than kill.

God is love and in him is no darkness at all. 1 John

We are all evil doers yet God forgives. 'Punishment' is God giving folk over to their deliberate resistance to his drawing/ wooing. It is not an arbitrary infliction.

You appear to be denying that God is perfect justice as well as perfect love.

I would be interested to see how your view fits in with Romans 13

 

[Debp]

Btw the Orthodox Jews against the State of Israel are a small sect...a splinter group called Naturey Karta. They are rejected by other Jews.

 

[markalan]

Yes I saw "Golda." It was free on Tubi, they might still have it. Or maybe YouTube has it.

I meant to save it for tomorrow but couldn't wait ... it is a riveting movie.
The 1982 version gives a more complete history ... but it was very interesting to see the focus on just the Yom Kippur war.
How people can look at the history of Israel and not see the hand of God is beyond me.

And Joshua captured all these kings and their land at one time,
because the LORD God of Israel fought for Israel.
Joshua 10:42

 

[quietthinker]

You appear to be denying that God is perfect justice as well as perfect love.

I would be interested to see how your view fits in with Romans 13

Gods justice is liberating men. God's love is his justice.
Justice and love are separated in mens minds because they define justice as payback. God has no interest in payback. 1 Corinthians 13:5 tells us that love (God) holds no record of wrongs.
Men love to hold records of wrongs and they superimpose this mindset onto God. They have made God in their image.
God's justice is freeing men from their sin. It is forgiveness.

 

[markalan]

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Gods justice is liberating men. God's love is his justice.
Justice and love are separated in mens minds because they define justice as payback. God has no interest in payback. 1 Corinthians 13:5 tells us that love (God) holds no record of wrongs.
Men love to hold records of wrongs and they superimpose this mindset onto God. They have made God in their image.
God's justice is freeing men from their sin. It is forgiveness.

That is not what Jesus taught -
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."
Matthew 12:36

 

[Nancy]

I don't know if I already answered this post but you may be mistaking critical thinking as hate. It seems as if you don't know what the nature of judaism truly is, and not what we've been indoctrinated to believe.

Many Christians such as myself only have disdain towards what the religion teaches, not the individuals. There are many jews that forsake their religion because they are just as appalled as we might be. And some of them become Christians as well.

Many Christians disapprove of what jews in powerful positions do with their influence (putting it mildly). When I see as an absolute truth that 20,000 Palestinian children have been murdered since " October 7th", there is no justification as to why the government of Israel would allow this.
War means actual combat. The children aren't in combat with the IDF. They do not have to wipe out an entire civilization of innocent people to get to " Hamas". No other nation in the world would get away with this.

Hello @Luther7
When I posted this thread, it was before I did any real research on my own, the truth became much more clear.

Thanks for the reply!