Wont take Rev 14:9 MOTB under any circumstance, really ?

[PeterAndroz]

Scenario :-
The Rev 14:9 MOTB is now a reality.
Bruce is a Saint in the eyes of everyone that knows him
Bruce and all his family, friends & associates are rounded up.
Some are Saints, others are not.
Until Bruce takes the Rev 14:9 MOTB he & everyone will witness one by one the execution of that group.
If it were you, how long would it be before you took the MOTB to stop the executions ?

 

[markalan]

Scenario :-
The Rev 14:9 MOTB is now a reality.
Bruce is a Saint in the eyes of everyone that knows him
Bruce and all his family, friends & associates are rounded up.
Some are Saints, others are not.
Until Bruce takes the Rev 14:9 MOTB he & everyone will witness one by one the execution of that group.
If it were you, how long would it be before you took the MOTB to stop the executions ?

Of course that would mean knowing what the MOTB is ... presently there is only a broad spectrum of confusion.

As I understand early Christian history, family members were killed rather than acknowledge Caesar as a god.

If we reach this point, we would know the end of this present age is very near, which would give many courage.

We also have the promise that we will not be tempted above what we can bear.

No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man.
God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability,
but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
1 Cor 10:13

 

[Lambano]

As I understand early Christian history, family members were killed rather than acknowledge Caesar as a god.

I've also read that, and I'm not surprised. Threatening loved ones is a lever that's been used by tyrants for thousands of years.

I don't remember the book, but it said that Christians who caved rather than watch their family members killed by wild animals in the Arena tried to rejoin the Christian fellowships. The Christians who had lost wives and children but remained faithful to Jesus Christ would not accept those who had taken the easy way out and acknowledged Caesar as god. It was a big issue in the early Church. Should they have?

 

[Davy]

Again, this STUPID IDEA in the original post is thrown out topsy-tervy by the deceived.

Lord Jesus Christ showed HOW to react to threats like that in order to sway one to take the mark of the beast...

Matt 10:36-39
36 And as a man's enemies shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than Me, is not worthy of Me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than Me, is not worthy of Me.

38 And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth Me, is not worthy of Me.

39 He that findeth his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for Me, shall find it.
Douay-Rheims

That 39th verse tells it all too, because means those who SEEK to save their OWN life will... lose it! But those who lose their life for Christ Jesus shall have everlasting Life! This also is why Lord Jesus said in Matthew 10:28 to not fear those who can kill our flesh body, but not our soul, but to fear HIM (The Father) Who can destroy both our spirit body and soul in the future "lake of fire".

 

[markalan]

I've also read that, and I'm not surprised. Threatening loved ones is a lever that's been used by tyrants for thousands of years.

I don't remember the book, but it said that Christians who caved rather than watch their family members killed by wild animals in the Arena tried to rejoin the Christian fellowships. The Christians who had lost wives and children but remained faithful to Jesus Christ would not accept those who had taken the easy way out and acknowledged Caesar as god. It was a big issue in the early Church. Should they have?

Yes, I think they should have ... but it is very easy to say that at such a distance.
It is easy to speak brave words, and decry those who wonder how they might feel in such circumstances.

 

[grafted branch]

Scenario: a government official claims he is the Antichrist and wants to implement a mark he calls the mark of the beast. He sets up medical clinics where Christians can voluntarily go, publish their statements of faith on a government website, receive anesthetic, and have their heads removed (beheaded). He tells Christians they will live and reign with Christ for a thousand years because they are beheaded.

Would you go to one of the clinics?

 

[David Lamb]

Scenario :-
The Rev 14:9 MOTB is now a reality.
Bruce is a Saint in the eyes of everyone that knows him
Bruce and all his family, friends & associates are rounded up.
Some are Saints, others are not.
Until Bruce takes the Rev 14:9 MOTB he & everyone will witness one by one the execution of that group.
If it were you, how long would it be before you took the MOTB to stop the executions ?

Sorry, I am probably missing something very obvious to others, but who is Bruce? How do you know that he will be one of the people who takes the mark of the beast?

 

[Davy]

Sorry, I am probably missing something very obvious to others, but who is Bruce? How do you know that he will be one of the people who takes the mark of the beast?

It's obvious that @PeterAndroz is mocking Christ Jesus, because Jesus said those who love their family more than Jesus are not worthy of Jesus. So those who take the mark of the beast deserve their reward for rejecting Lord Jesus, and that is... what taking the mark means, rejecting... Lord Jesus Christ as The Savior. Can a TRUE Christian that believes on Jesus Christ as their Savior do that? A TRUE Christian cannot take it, and won't take it, even to the death, brave words or not, there it is.

 

[markalan]

Sorry, I am probably missing something very obvious to others, but who is Bruce? How do you know that he will be one of the people who takes the mark of the beast?

PA will reply but I am thinking Bruce is the middle name of John Doe

 

[David Lamb]

It's obvious that @PeterAndroz is mocking Christ Jesus, because Jesus said those who love their family more than Jesus are not worthy of Jesus. So those who take the mark of the beast deserve their reward for rejecting Lord Jesus, and that is... what taking the mark means, rejecting... Lord Jesus Christ as The Savior. Can a TRUE Christian that believes on Jesus Christ as their Savior do that? A TRUE Christian cannot take it, and won't take it, even to the death, brave words or not, there it is.

Thanks for explaining.

 

[David Lamb]

PA will reply but I am thinking Bruce is the middle name of John Doe

As in John Doe, the typical American? So "Bruce" is just a name put there as an example, not an actual person named Bruce. I see now. Thanks.

 

[Lambano]

As I understand early Christian history, family members were killed rather than acknowledge Caesar as a god.

I think your analogy is spot-on. The MotB is about unyielding loyalty to Christ.

 

[Lambano]

Paul does have this thing about loyalty.

 

[CrowCross]

The Rev 14:9 MOTB is now a reality.

How so?

If the MOTB is a reality...what is it?

 

[Anchorite]

How so?

If the MOTB is a reality...what is it?

The "mark of the beast" (Revelation 13:16-18) is frequently associated in modern prophetic interpretation with emerging technologies that facilitate a cashless society, centralized world government, and biometric tracking, coordinated by AI in a global central surveillance and control system.

This mark would be more expedient than asking multiple questions or conducting a complex background check.

While traditional interpretations vary, contemporary concerns often link the prophecy to technologies that could theoretically be required for all financial transactions.

The mark of the beast is an allusion either to the custom among the Romans of imprinting marks upon their servants and soldiers, by which they might be known to whom they belonged; servants had them in their foreheads, and soldiers in their hands.

It might allude to the usages of the Jews in binding their phylacteries upon their arms and foreheads, to put them in mind of the law of God, and their obedience to it; or to the practices of the Heathens, in putting the mark of the god they worshipped upon their bodies.

Maimonides says it was a custom with the Gentiles to mark themselves with their idols, showing that they were their bought servants, and were marked for their service.

The sense is that some received the mark in one place, and some in another.

Those who were obliged to receive the mark in the right hand seem to be the clergy, such who entered into holy orders; who lifted up their right hand, and swore and vowed allegiance to the pope, and testified they were ready to defend and support his religion and interest; and who in their ordination are said to have an indelible character impressed on them.

Those who received the mark in their foreheads are the common people in general, who one and all have the same impress upon them.

Current identification, surveillance, and financial transaction technology can fulfill the mark of the beast. No symbolic interpretation is required when the physical implementation is now available.

In the past, the idea of needing a certain mark in order to buy and sell may not have made a lot of sense. People used gold, gems, coins, and cash to engage in financial dealings.

But today, people in Switzerland are already using an injectable payment chip implant in their hand to purchase items in stores.

Secure payment chip implants (like those from Walletmor) are often priced around $300.

 

[CrowCross]

The "mark of the beast" (Revelation 13:16-18) is frequently associated in modern prophetic interpretation with emerging technologies that facilitate a cashless society, centralized world government, and biometric tracking, coordinated by AI in a global central surveillance and control system.

This mark would be more expedient than asking multiple questions or conducting a complex background check.

While traditional interpretations vary, contemporary concerns often link the prophecy to technologies that could theoretically be required for all financial transactions.

The mark of the beast is an allusion either to the custom among the Romans of imprinting marks upon their servants and soldiers, by which they might be known to whom they belonged; servants had them in their foreheads, and soldiers in their hands.

It might allude to the usages of the Jews in binding their phylacteries upon their arms and foreheads, to put them in mind of the law of God, and their obedience to it; or to the practices of the Heathens, in putting the mark of the god they worshipped upon their bodies.

Maimonides says it was a custom with the Gentiles to mark themselves with their idols, showing that they were their bought servants, and were marked for their service.

The sense is that some received the mark in one place, and some in another.

Those who were obliged to receive the mark in the right hand seem to be the clergy, such who entered into holy orders; who lifted up their right hand, and swore and vowed allegiance to the pope, and testified they were ready to defend and support his religion and interest; and who in their ordination are said to have an indelible character impressed on them.

Those who received the mark in their foreheads are the common people in general, who one and all have the same impress upon them.

Current identification, surveillance, and financial transaction technology can fulfill the mark of the beast. No symbolic interpretation is required when the physical implementation is now available.

In the past, the idea of needing a certain mark in order to buy and sell may not have made a lot of sense. People used gold, gems, coins, and cash to engage in financial dealings.

But today, people in Switzerland are already using an injectable payment chip implant in their hand to purchase items in stores.

Secure payment chip implants (like those from Walletmor) are often priced around $300.

Your post seemed to be filled with preterist concepts. The mark of Rev 13 is still future.
Something similar to what you mentioned about in Switzerland will be forced upon all or you won't be able to buy and sell.
The technology is here...it hasn't been implemented as of yet. Switzerland shows just how easy it will be to have people take the mark.

 

[Anchorite]

Your post seemed to be filled with preterist concepts. The mark of Rev 13 is still future.
Something similar to what you mentioned about in Switzerland will be forced upon all or you won't be able to buy and sell.
The technology is here...it hasn't been implemented as of yet. Switzerland shows just how easy it will be to have people take the mark.

Nothing I wrote has the slightest preternatural concept.

The technology for the mark of the beast is here and the MOTB could be imposed upon humanity very soon.

 

[ewq1938]

Scenario :-
The Rev 14:9 MOTB is now a reality.
Bruce is a Saint in the eyes of everyone that knows him
Bruce and all his family, friends & associates are rounded up.
Some are Saints, others are not.
Until Bruce takes the Rev 14:9 MOTB he & everyone will witness one by one the execution of that group.
If it were you, how long would it be before you took the MOTB to stop the executions ?

The bible does not say you will be executed for not taking the MoB. It says you will be executed if you don't worship the image of the beast. People always conflate the two.

 

[Truth7t7]

Scenario :-
The Rev 14:9 MOTB is now a reality.
Bruce is a Saint in the eyes of everyone that knows him
Bruce and all his family, friends & associates are rounded up.
Some are Saints, others are not.
Until Bruce takes the Rev 14:9 MOTB he & everyone will witness one by one the execution of that group.
If it were you, how long would it be before you took the MOTB to stop the executions ?

Fairy tale stories that's plagued the church for decades with the false movies below promoted in Churches across the globe as biblical fact

(A Thief In The Night) with Antichrist death squads roaming around chopping heads off if you don't have or refuse the MOTB (Big Lol) and it's sequel (A Distant Thunder)

Not to forget the fear mongering (Left Behind The Movie)

"All False Fictional Fairy Tales" that have plagued the church for decades, promoting fear and a pre-trib rapture

 

[Truth7t7]

Scenario :-
The Rev 14:9 MOTB is now a reality.
Bruce is a Saint in the eyes of everyone that knows him
Bruce and all his family, friends & associates are rounded up.
Some are Saints, others are not.
Until Bruce takes the Rev 14:9 MOTB he & everyone will witness one by one the execution of that group.
If it were you, how long would it be before you took the MOTB to stop the executions ?

God's "Two Witnesses" Rule The World During The Future Great Tribulation​

Many put the future (Man Of Sin) (The Beast) as the ruler of earth during the 3.5 year tribulation "wrong"!

It will be God's (Two Witnesses) that rule in bringing all plagues in torturing the evil world, a literal remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, God's in control!

Revelation 11:3-6 & 10KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

The Future (Two Witnesses) "All Plagues" As Often As They Will Representing "God"

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.