Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

[Grailhunter]

Stop playing slow. Check the Op. Address it. No Dispie here has done that. I assume that is because it is watertight.

LOL

 

[Grailhunter]

Address the Op. Stop avoiding!

I did we are not Israel.

 

[Grailhunter]

Address my last post which also refutes your error. It seems like you are an expert at avoiding the evidence. I wonder why?

Still waiting for the scripture that specifically says we are Israel.

 

[WPM]

I did we are not Isreal.

You have been unable to refute one single argument in the Op. That is because it demolishes what you have been falsely taught. I will take that as a commendation that the Op is watertight.

The ball is in your court.

There is only one fold. Dispies have double vision. They cannot see right. They duplicate everything they see in the sacred text to justify their false teaching.

There are no words that exemplify the union Christ made between the old covenant saints and the new covenant believers than what Jesus told to His Jewish followers prior to the cross, in John 10:14-16, “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”

Who was God going to unite us to? Was it Christ-rejecting Jews in the Middle east or was it faithful remnant Israel?

Union with Christ is an organic relationship that brings us into a tightly interwoven corporate body. A person cannot be saved except they are in union with Christ. Being in union with Christ brings us into union with God’s people.

We have been grafted into the faithful remnant of believing Israel. We are now one with them. There is no racial distinction any more or apartheid amongst the people of God. God looks at the Church as one flock, one fold and one people.

 

[WPM]

Still waiting for the scripture that specifically says we are Isreal.

LOL. The fact you cannot address my opening posts is telling. I rest my case. The opening posts demolish Premil and Dispensatanism. You have nothing to bring to the table apart from your opinions. Scripture forbids your error.

 

[WPM]

I did we are not Isreal.

The reason why so many people are confused in regarding to this whole subject of Israel is probably because:

• Many lack a very basic knowledge about what the Bible teaches on this matter. They have not studied it for themselves.
• Many simply run with what they have been taught by others.
• Many fail to see that the old covenant is gone forever. It has been completely dismantled. It's ceremonial system is gone. It's temporary conditional promises are gone. The new (better) covenant has replaced it with a different focus, different priorities, different promises, different scale and eternal nature.

 

[WPM]

Still waiting for the scripture that specifically says we are Isreal.

How does Scripture divide mankind up? How many different spiritual camps are there?

 

[Grailhunter]

You have been unable to refute one single argument in the Op. That is because it demolishes what you have been falsely taught. I will take that as a commendation that the Op is watertight.

I did it is simply not there. How can I or need to refute something that is not there.

 

[Grailhunter]

You have been unable to refute one single argument in the Op. That is because it demolishes what you have been falsely taught. I will take that as a commendation that the Op is watertight.

The ball is in your court.

There is only one fold. Dispies have double vision. They cannot see right. They duplicate everything they see in the sacred text to justify their false teaching.

There are no words that exemplify the union Christ made between the old covenant saints and the new covenant believers than what Jesus told to His Jewish followers prior to the cross, in John 10:14-16, “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”

Who was God going to unite us to? Was it Christ-rejecting Jews in the Middle east or was it faithful remnant Israel?

Union with Christ is an organic relationship that brings us into a tightly interwoven corporate body. A person cannot be saved except they are in union with Christ. Being in union with Christ brings us into union with God’s people.

We have been grafted into the faithful remnant of believing Israel. We are now one with them. There is no racial distinction any more or apartheid amongst the people of God. God looks at the Church as one flock, one fold and one people.

If you are going to quote scripture, find the one that says Christians are Israel.

Interwoven corporate body? Like the body of Christ?

 

[Grailhunter]

LOL. The fact you cannot address my opening posts is telling. I rest my case. The opening posts demolish Premil and Dispensatanism. You have nothing to bring to the table apart from your opinions. Scripture forbids your error.

That is the point, opinions have nothing to do with it.....scripture does.

 

[Grailhunter]

The reason why so many people are confused in regarding to this whole subject of Israel is probably because:

• Many lack a very basic knowledge about what the Bible teaches on this matter. They have not studied it for themselves.
• Many simply run with what they have been taught by others.
• Many fail to see that the old covenant is gone forever. It has been completely dismantled. It's ceremonial system is gone. It's temporary conditional promises are gone. The new (better) covenant has replaced it with a different focus, different priorities, different promises, different scale and eternal nature.

If you had any kind of basic knowledge you would not be making things up without any supporting scriptures.

 

[Grailhunter]

How does Scripture divide mankind up? How many different spiritual camps are there?

The scriptures are what Christianity is based on.....not your opinion or fantasies.

 

[WPM]

If you had any kind of basic knowledge you would not be making things up without any supporting scriptures.

You are totally out of your depth here. You are incapable of exegeting one single passage. You are incapable of answering one single question. You are incapable of addressing one single rebuttal. It is pointless engaging with you. You just rabbit what you have been taught without checking if it is biblical. All you have is your evasive catchphrases. The reader will see your avoidance.

 

[Grailhunter]

You are totally out of your depth here. You are incapable of exegeting one single passage. You are incapable of addressing one single rebuttal. It is pointless engaging with you. All you have is your evasive catchphrases. The reader will see your avoidance.

The fact that what you believe is not in the scriptures. The readers will see that what you believe is not biblical that is very clear.

 

[WPM]

The scriptures are what Christianity is based on.....not your opinion or fantasies.

1. How many peoples of God are there (1 Peter 2:10 & Hebrews 4:9)?
2. How many households of faith are there (Galatians 6:11)?
3. How many spiritual seeds are there (Galatians 3:13-14, 16-17)?
4. Is there “one new man” spiritually today or “twain” (Ephesians 2:15)?
5. How many sheep folds does Christ (the Shepherd) possess? Did Jesus not say: “there shall be one fold, and one shepherd”?
6. Is the term “the circumcision” spiritually related to Gentiles in the New Testament (Philippians 3:3 and Colossians 2:11)?
7. Is the term “the Jews” spiritually related to Gentiles in the New Testament (Romans 2:25-29)?
8. Is the term “Israel” spiritually related to Gentiles in the New Testament (Romans 11:17, Romans 11:24-25, Galatians 6:15-16 and Ephesians 2:10-19)?
9. Is God’s chosen “nation” today a spiritual heavenly nation or a physical earthly nation (Deuteronomy 32:21, Matthew 21 42-44, Romans 10:19-21 and 1 Peter 2:9-10)?
10. Is the term “children of Abraham” spiritually related to Gentiles in the New Testament (Romans 4:11, Romans 4:13-15, Romans 4:16-18, Romans 9:6-8, Galatians 3:7-9, Galatians 3:12-14, Galatians 3:16 and Galatians 3:26-29)?

 

[Grailhunter]

1. How many peoples of God are there (1 Peter 2:10 & Hebrews 4:9)?
2. How many households of faith are there (Galatians 6:11)?
3. How many spiritual seeds are there (Galatians 3:13-14, 16-17)?
4. Is there “one new man” spiritually today or “twain” (Ephesians 2:15)?
5. How many sheep folds does Christ (the Shepherd) possess? Did Jesus not say: “there shall be one fold, and one shepherd”?
6. Is the term “the circumcision” spiritually related to Gentiles in the New Testament (Philippians 3:3 and Colossians 2:11)?
7. Is the term “the Jews” spiritually related to Gentiles in the New Testament (Romans 2:25-29)?
8. Is the term “Israel” spiritually related to Gentiles in the New Testament (Romans 11:17, Romans 11:24-25, Galatians 6:15-16 and Ephesians 2:10-19)?
9. Is God’s chosen “nation” today a spiritual heavenly nation or a physical earthly nation (Deuteronomy 32:21, Matthew 21 42-44, Romans 10:19-21 and 1 Peter 2:9-10)?
10. Is the term “children of Abraham” spiritually related to Gentiles in the New Testament (Romans 4:11, Romans 4:13-15, Romans 4:16-18, Romans 9:6-8, Galatians 3:7-9, Galatians 3:12-14, Galatians 3:16 and Galatians 3:26-29)?

This more relates to the body of Christ.....
Now if I were to say we are individual members of the body of Christ....I can produce scriptures that actually say that.... You present your fantasy and try to push that on the scriptures. Learn what you believe from the scriptures instead of making something up and try to twist the meaning of the scriptures.

12 For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For [a]by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot says, “Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason [b]any the less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear says, “Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason [c]any the less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. 19 If they were all one member, where would the body be? 20 But now there are many members, but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; or again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22 On the contrary, [d]it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; 23 and those members of the body which we [e]deem less honorable, [f]on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, 24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, 25 so that there may be no [g]division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is [h]honored, all the members rejoice with it. 27 Now you are Christ’s body, and individually members of it.
1st Corinthians 12:12-27

 

[WPM]

This more relates to the body of Christ.....
Now if I were to say we are individual members of the body of Christ....I can produce scriptures that actually say that.... You present your fantasy and try to push that on the scriptures. Learn what you believe from the scriptures instead of making something up and try to twist the meaning of the scriptures.

12 For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For [a]by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot says, “Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason [b]any the less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear says, “Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason [c]any the less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. 19 If they were all one member, where would the body be? 20 But now there are many members, but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; or again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22 On the contrary, [d]it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; 23 and those members of the body which we [e]deem less honorable, [f]on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, 24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, 25 so that there may be no [g]division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is [h]honored, all the members rejoice with it. 27 Now you are Christ’s body, and individually members of it.
1st Corinthians 12:12-27

You ducked around every question (as I suspected you would). You have to! The Book is your enemy. It is the enemy of Dispensatanism.

Who were the spiritual seed before Calvary? Ethnic Israel or spiritual elect Israel?

We have been brought into Israel's elect fold that existed before the cross. We are now one people. We are enjoined to true remnant Israel. We are grafted into the Israeli good olive tree.

 

[Grailhunter]

You ducked around every question (as I suspected you would). You have to! The Book is your enemy. It is the enemy of Dispensatanism.

Who was the spiritual seed before Calvary? Ethnic Israel or spiritual elect Israel?

We have been brought into Israel's elect fold that existed before the cross. We are now one people. We are enjoined to true remnant Israel. We are grafted into the Israeli good olive tree.

We may grafted into the olive tree, but we are not Israel.

 

[WPM]

We may grafted into the olive tree, but we are not Isreal.

Was this not an Israeli tree?

 

[WPM]

We may grafted into the olive tree, but we are not Isreal.

Who were the spiritual seed before Calvary? Ethnic Israel or spiritual elect Israel?