Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today
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I never said God has given up on them. They can receive Christ like you and me. But they need to repent and take a hold of man's only hope for sin. They must enter into the NT Church with you and me. There is no other salvation. There is no other spiritual vehicle for God's elect.
Grailhunter
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The reality is: God is no respecter of persons today (Acts 10:34-35, Romans 2:11, Galatians 2:6, Ephesians 6:9, Colossians 3:25, 1 Peter 1:17). God shows no favoritism in regard to a person’s nationality, color, social status, education, knowledge, family heritage, race, or gender. Basically, your birthplace, birthday or passport carries no merit with God. The exclusive nationalistic favor of one nation has been eternally removed in Christ to embrace both Jew and Gentile equally by faith. This will never be overturned. The sinner (of all nationalities) enters exclusively into communion with God through faith in Christ on an equal basis.
Dispensationalists are respecters of people and elevate Israel today above all nations, when Christ is no respecter of nations, colors, creeds or passports.
There is only one people of God. There is no apartheid amongst the people of God. When Jesus come we all populate the new eternal regenerated earth. Simple!
The fact is, there is (and only has been) one people of God from the beginning. Whilst they were largely found within the nation of Israel before the cross, that was broadened out after the cross to embrace all nations. Race means nothing under the new covenant. The New Testament outlines clearly and repeatedly that "there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles.
We have been grafted into faithful Israel. You are trying to make 2 out of 1, when Scriptures clearly make 1 out of 2. I prefer Scripture to your theories.
Grailhunter
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Like I said, I know the scriptures....LOL
You so funny. All about Israel.....If the father of the Jews is the devil.....so is Israel. Of course I do not believe either one.
Look I guess you do not know me. I know the scriptures at the language level....all of them. I am a Theologian.
Formal education in colleges in five countries......LOL Yes I know the scriptures.
You need to enter into the biblical new covenant reality instead of what you have been taught. For someone who feels the need to boast in their academic credentials, you have not been able to refute one argument, answer one question or address one post yet. What is more, for someone who claims to be highly educated, your grammar and punctuation is horrible. All you have is your evasive fly-by avoidances. So, I reserve the right to be skeptical about your claims.
The reality is, reject Christ and God rejects you. You need to remove your Zionist glasses and come out of the OT. Enter the freedom of the NT. You will find that natural Christ-rejecting Israel are under the wrath of God today in this new covenant era, not the blessing of God.
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Grailhunter
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No brag, just fact. I don't get into the details or could sound like bragging.
Look at your posts, you have not come close to proving anything and I gave you plenty of time and trys.
Nothing to refute what you believe is not in the scriptures
Look how insulting and rude you have been with your posts......learn that from the scriptures? Learn that from Yeshua? The spirit of the scriptures, the spirit of Christianity......You should start all over again and learn the Christian character.
And I have not rejected Yeshua and I keep tell you to stop your infatuation with Israel and stick with the scriptures in the New Testament. There is no Christian Israel.....We are the Bride of Christ, the Body of Christ, Inherit Heaven as adopted sons and daughters of God and welcomed into the family of God.
More avoidance. All you are left with is vain boasting. You cannot even address the Op. You avoid it like the plague. That is because it disallows your false teaching. No Dispie can. It forbids their error.
Those who insist on maintaining Israel’s covenantal role and yet separating them from the New Testament congregation are absolutely dependent upon maintaining the old covenant arrangement. The only problem is: it has been long-abolished. It will never be resurrected. It is redundant. What is more, the New Testament structure allows no distinction whatsoever between Jews and Gentiles, something that marks the old arrangement. Those who promote that today advance spiritual apartheid to separate Israel from the remainder of God’s people. Those who do this have no understanding of the teaching of Christ, the new covenant guidelines and the repeated teaching of the sacred New Testament text.
For the record: when I said: "The reality is, reject Christ and God rejects you" I was not talking about you personally. I was talking about Christ-rejecting Jews. I have no reason to believe you reject Christ or was i inferring that.
Grailhunter
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Spiritual Israelite
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Jesus said that to unbelieving Jews. The Father of believing Jews is God the Father.
No one is saying that God has given up on anyone. Scripture is clear that He wants everyone to be saved (1 Timothy 2:3-6) and offers salvation to everyone, including all Jews (Matthew 22:1-14, Titus 2:11).
Spiritual Israelite
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Any of them who rejected Jesus Christ and died having never repented of their sins and accepting Him are doomed. That is what scripture clearly indicates. There's no reason to sugarcoat that or to deny it.
Grailhunter
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I have already acknowledged that the scriptures say that.
And I do not deny scripture.
Still I can speculate.
This is what God's Book says. The Jews that are not born again that reject Christ are of their father the devil. They are antichrist. They are under the wrath of God. Read the sacred texts that I presented.
Grailhunter
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So you are saying the Jews' father is the devil.
I know the scriptures that say that Yeshua is the only way.
I am not quoting scripture when I say that I do not believe God has given up on them.
I have already acknowledged that the scriptures say that.
And I do not deny scripture.
Still I can speculate.
Do you notice that Dispies have no rebuttals to the biblical facts?
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.
- 1 John 4:3:
- "And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world."
- 2 John 1:7
: "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an Antichrist."
This is the perfect description of apostate Israel
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Grailhunter
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So you are saying the Jews' father is the devil.
I know the scriptures that say that Yeshua is the only way.
I am not quoting scripture when I say that I do not believe God has given up on them.
I have already acknowledged that the scriptures say that.
And I do not deny scripture.
Still I can speculate.
What did Jesus and John say
John 8
34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[b]”
39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
I never said that God has given up on them, but they individually need to repent and turn to Jesus, but yes ethnic Isreal is not Gods people anymore. True Isreal spiritual Israel the church are now Gods people
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