Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[Episkopos]

Now I see why you're so far out in left field. You have have no standard to base truth on so truth is whatever you want it to be.

The standard is the bible, the word of God. Indoctrinated people use the bible the way a cult does...a few passages taken out of context that directly contradict the weight of scripture. So you really don't see anything. You just parrot what you've been taught. But you could be seeking the Lord for yourself. Seek first the kingdom...there's a standard for you.

 

[ProDeo]

Of course. To whom much is given MORE is require and I have been given much.

Thanks, that explains a lot.

1Cor 9:27 But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

OTOH :

2Tim 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that Day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing.

 

[IndianaRob]

The standard is the bible, the word of God. Indoctrinated people use the bible the way a cult does...a few passages taken out of context that directly contradict the weight of scripture. So you really don't see anything. You just parrot what you've been taught. But you could be seeking the Lord for yourself. Seek first the kingdom...there's a standard for you.

I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure you said all bibles are corrupt.

 

[Episkopos]

I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure you said all bibles are corrupt.

All translations are corrupted to some degree or other...because those who commission translations have an agenda.

People are just lazy in their studies. The Babylonian system thrives on laziness in those who claim salvation. And the laziness extends to seeking first the kingdom....as Jesus commands but no one listens to.

 

[Laurina]

What a nonsense.

Thrown into Outer Darkness is punishment, not salvation.

I'm sorry you feel that way...but the ones going to outer darkness based on God's judgment which is just, as in righteous, were saved from death. That is saved.

Rom. 10:11-12 says:
"For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Are you calling Paul a liar??
Are you redefining "saved?"
Are you saying God is not just?
The people who are thrown into outer darkness have called upon the name of the Lord.

I'm asking because your statement goes against scripture.
Feelings aside, please clarify.

 

[MostlyConfused]

Well, as I said it's like an alternate universe around here at times.

Discernment comes from the Lord, not by being analytical.....but I can appreciate why someone would tend to be analytical given a confusing or contradictory family situation when they were young.

practice and exercise is how discernment is gained. It’s a training.
I’ve read books by psychologists who never mention God but they had labored over many, many patients for years and they have come to understand and classify their problems and issues very accurately. Many were pioneers in their field. Quite a few even came later in life to admit that they had seen what they could only call evil in some of their patients.

There is also a gift of discernment. But without that gift even unbelievers can develop discernment through hard work, journaling, gnawing over and over on something they clearly see but don’t understand.
You can’t really think that all humans can have no discernment at all and be just totally clueless as to whether they are seeing good or evil when a news story comes on about Dahmer or Hitler, or when they meet someone they quickly decide they want nothing to do with.

 

[MostlyConfused]

Having said that, I am aware that we have been seeing a lot of people more recently who CANT tell evil when they see it. How else would they be convinced by a doctor or psychologist to mutilate their own children?

 

[Azim]

A beautiful field we walk in, as some take the flowers we see, and grasp their necks, pulling them out as weeds as if they don't belong. The song slowly withers.

 

[ProDeo]

I'm sorry you feel that way...but the ones going to outer darkness based on God's judgment which is just, as in righteous, were saved from death. That is saved.

Rom. 10:11-12 says:
"For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Let's use context, shall we ?

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Are you calling Paul a liar??
Are you redefining "saved?"
Are you saying God is not just?

I am hearing Epi.

The people who are thrown into outer darkness have called upon the name of the Lord.

Yes, that is what you teach, call upon the name of the Lord, you are saved from the LOF but not yet from outer darkness.

It's ridiculous.

Outer darkness is a lesser punishment than the LOF, still a terrible punishment.

 

[Marvelloustime]

epi says we bring a dead letter .
Kinda odd . Once again he is guilty of what he accuses us of doing .
HE is the one making void the dire necessity to have to BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST
whereby in a NEW and LIVING way , BY THE SPIRIT , we can serve GOD acceptably .
HE THE ONE omitting the new and living way .
THE new and living way is BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST who gives us the abilites and desires to DO that which is well pleasing
in the sight of GOD . EPI omits the new and living way
and yet THINKS he has come to SHEW US this new and living way . Impossible .
HE thinks he comes to shew us this new and living way , and yet has MADE VOID the dire need
to BELIEVE IN he who IS THE WAY . He comes to teach us on what he thinks is picking up the cross
and YET denies the dire need to BLEIEVE ON HE who was crucified for our sins ON THE CROSS .

@amigo de christo

 

[Laurina]

Let's use context, shall we ?

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”



I am hearing Epi.

I did read his book.
But I also read the Bible...[reading skills required! ;) ]... pure logic.

Yes, that is what you teach, call upon the name of the Lord, you are saved from the LOF but not yet from outer darkness.

It's ridiculous.

Outer darkness is a lesser punishment than the LOF, still a terrible punishment.

This is what Paul teaches. I'm reading in Romans. It's actually available for ALL who read the Bible. Is it wrong to teach/repeat what is in the Bible even if it goes against our feelings/nature??

Now, if that doesn't give you a dose of "the fear of the Lord," let's keep learning!

So, it seems like there are conditions for anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord to keep them from ending up in outer darkness. Care to list a few?? ...with scripture back up, of course. Let's use logic and not go by our feelings.

 

[IndianaRob]

All translations are corrupted to some degree or other...because those who commission translations have an agenda.

People are just lazy in their studies. The Babylonian system thrives on laziness in those who claim salvation. And the laziness extends to seeking first the kingdom....as Jesus commands but no one listens to.

That’s your opinion, it’s not fact. Prove that opinion from the Bible and I’ll believe you.

 

[MostlyConfused]

That’s your opinion, it’s not fact. Prove that opinion from the Bible and I’ll believe you.

Think a moment about what you have stated, sir.
You have said: prove that your thought that all translations are, some more and some less, corrupted by the translators indoctrinations or understandings, but do it by USING those corrupted translations. That means if a word in Hebrew meant knife and it’s translated as feather, you insist the word feather must be used as the original meaning.

It’s like the game we played in girl scouts when I was little. One person would whisper a sentence or saying into the first girls ear who would then whisper it into the second girls ear and on down the line until it reached the ear of that first girl who started, who would then say it aloud and then read the original sentence. They were nothing alike and everyone would have a good laugh.

 

[Lizbeth]

practice and exercise is how discernment is gained. It’s a training.
I’ve read books by psychologists who never mention God but they had labored over many, many patients for years and they have come to understand and classify their problems and issues very accurately. Many were pioneers in their field. Quite a few even came later in life to admit that they had seen what they could only call evil in some of their patients.

There is also a gift of discernment. But without that gift even unbelievers can develop discernment through hard work, journaling, gnawing over and over on something they clearly see but don’t understand.
You can’t really think that all humans can have no discernment at all and be just totally clueless as to whether they are seeing good or evil when a news story comes on about Dahmer or Hitler, or when they meet someone they quickly decide they want nothing to do with.

Yes I agree we grow in spiritual discernment by the exercising of it. We can grow and increase in human perception too. But I don't believe the two are the same thing. And either way we can be mistaken.

 

[IndianaRob]

Think a moment about what you have stated, sir.
You have said: prove that your thought that all translations are, some more and some less, corrupted by the translators indoctrinations or understandings, but do it by USING those corrupted translations. That means if a word in Hebrew meant knife and it’s translated as feather, you insist the word feather must be used as the original meaning.

It’s like the game we played in girl scouts when I was little. One person would whisper a sentence or saying into the first girls ear who would then whisper it into the second girls ear and on down the line until it reached the ear of that first girl who started, who would then say it aloud and then read the original sentence. They were nothing alike and everyone would have a good laugh.

Ok then why have a Bible in the first place if it can’t be trusted?

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes I agree we grow in spiritual discernment by the exercising of it. We can grow and increase in human perception too. But I don't believe the two are the same thing. And either way we can be mistaken.

Hey sister if a president told you that if you believe him and follow him then your will have a pardon for your trangessions .
That he already did all that was necessary to get the legislation passed for you to attain your pardon .
And you say No way i dont beleive that . Tell me what are you calling this president and will you recieve your pardon .
And the answer is you would be calling him a liar and NO you wont get your pardon .
And now a word .
Unto he or she who hears the gospel and beleives not , THEY DO CALL GOD A LIAR and WILL NOT recieve
pardon for their trangressions .
And if one says OH i believe in this GOD , THIS JESUS , but i dont beleive its necessary to have had to beleive on him
for to recieve forgivenss and pardon from sins , to recieve salvation and eternal life ,
THEY DO call GOD A LIAR and will recieve ONLY their just due they had earned which is the second d eath .
We cannot both cliam to BELEIVE in THE CHRIST of GOD and then make excuse for unbeleif as though
its okay to not beleive . For he or she who does so , DID NOT BELIEVE THE VERY SON
who st ated very clearly such things , as did the apostels , as did JESUS f rom heaven in the book of revelation .
Many add too and take from the very Words inspired by GOD , by His CHRIST
and then say , HEY WE ARE FREE TO DO SO and make the path very broad to GOD . Their fate
will not be good at all . IT be JESUS pointing too and JESUS procliaming time in the house .
For all else is but vainity and the pride and rebellion of men .

 

[Lizbeth]

I did read his book.
But I also read the Bible...[reading skills required! ;) ]... pure logic.


This is what Paul teaches. I'm reading in Romans. It's actually available for ALL who read the Bible. Is it wrong to teach/repeat what is in the Bible even if it goes against our feelings/nature??

Now, if that doesn't give you a dose of "the fear of the Lord," let's keep learning!

So, it seems like there are conditions for anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord to keep them from ending up in outer darkness. Care to list a few?? ...with scripture back up, of course. Let's use logic and not go by our feelings.

What is needed is spiritual understanding, which unfortunately is often lacking around here.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You keep telling everyone that God taught you directly, God impressed things on you, people were sent to you, miracles happened around you, and you have received special instruction about doctrines the rest of us supposedly do not understand.

At this point, one has to ask: where is the Scripture that actually says what you are saying?

Elijah mocked the prophets of Baal because they made great spiritual claims that had no reality behind them: “Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked” (1 Kings 18:27).

You keep appealing to revelation, impressions, spiritual experiences, and special instruction, but when the written Word is placed in front of you, your system still has to be imported into the text.

Perhaps the next revelation can finally provide the verse that says salvation has a “MERITOCRACY aspect,” that people “fail grace” into another category of destiny, or that your private instruction determines who escapes “outer darkness.”

Until then, you have claims. Scripture has authority.

“Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar” (Proverbs 30:6).

You can keep talking about what God supposedly told you. The rest of us are going to keep asking the question you cannot answer: Where is it written?

You have found what most of us already knew.

whats amazing is he has not even met the standard he himself proclaims must be met.. yet he is telling everyone to follow him.

RUN!!

 

[amigo de christo]

Ok then why have a Bible in the first place if it can’t be trusted?

There be only one who has always come and first came upon mankind
to twist and omit what GOD had said . That be the serpent .
And i assure us all that none wants to follow and beleive that one .
The reason doubt is being placed upon the bible , is none other than the work of the dark one
who , as usual , comes to omit what GOD has said in favor of a lie .
This people perish from lack of knowledge . One thing that all false prophets
no matter what they teach do have in common is
YOU can bet they have twisted and omitted the TRUTH in Scriptures for to f it a lie . ON that There is zero doubt .
Their lies might not always be the same , OH BUT IT IS A LIE indeed that all false ones will and do teach .

 

[MostlyConfused]

Ok then why have a Bible in the first place if it can’t be trusted?

For that matter, why have Hebrew scholars or scribes who find that a jot or tittle was dropped or added that alters our understanding of the original.
measure twice, cut once.
One small and seemingly minor mistake can put you off by miles.