The First Resurrection

[Scott Downey]

Bible Gateway passage: Philippians 3 - 21st Century King James Version

Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you indeed is not grievous to me, but it is a safeguard for you. Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the Concision. For we are the Circumcision who worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and...

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17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark those who so walk, as ye have us for an example.

18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often and now tell you even with weeping, as the enemies of the cross of Christ.

19 Their end is destruction, their God is their belly, and their glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

20 For our abiding is in Heaven, from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

21 who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.

 

[Davy]

2 different references to a postrib GATHERING FROM HEAVEN.
One of which includes the "UTTERMOST PART", ( THE HEAVENS), OF EARTH.
I 100% AGREE with the scripture.
You guys got an actual passage to point to your theory?
You correctly point out a Postrib rapture NOT FROM EARTH...but from heaven
Why do you reject what is said, by Jesus, in the gathering from heaven postrib , and the Noah story?
You need both to fit your tired doctrine of men.
Anyone with a bible can see you changed both to attempt to force fit a false postrib rapture.

VIA IGNORING/OMITTING the pretrib rapture verses.
Not at all honest exegesis .
Deception big time

Apostle Paul got his coming of Christ and gathering of His Church in 1 Thess.4 from Lord Jesus. The Matthew 24:31 and Mark 13:27 verses reveals that.

With the Matthew 24:31 version, Jesus is pointing to the asleep saints Paul said Jesus will bring with Him when He descends to earth from Heaven; they are resurrected first. And then the Mark 13:27 version is about the saints still alive on earth on that day which will be "caught up" to Jesus and those asleep saints. All that is major proof that Jesus was giving that to His Church, and Apostle Paul repeated it in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17.

What pre-trib verses? There are none.

 

[Davy]

Not every believer on Christ is going to be delivered up during the coming "great tribulation". If everyone were, then God's Word would say nothing about Christ's faithful Church being "caught up" to Him when He comes on the last day.

Nor will believers who will be deceived by the false-Messiah be blotted out when Jesus comes. Many in Christ's Church will be deceived, because they listen to men instead of directly in God's written Word. Ezekiel 44 shows they will stand in judgment throughout Christ's future "thousand years" reign, as they will be taught the difference between the holy and the profane, the clean and the unclean.

Furthermore, the "dead" of Revelation 20:5 is not about the flesh dead. Their spirit is still alive as they will be changed also on the day of Christ's coming. They will go through Christ's "thousand years" reign standing in judgment, and still liable to perish at the latter "lake of fire" event. It is their 'souls' that are in a spiritually 'dead' state, not about their still being dead in the ground.

After Christ's future "thousand years" reign, then God's Great White Throne Judgment will happen, and the books are opened to see if there are any names written in the book of life. That is what the implied 2nd resurrection is about, i.e., a resurrection LIKE the "first resurrection" unto everlasting life in Christ Jesus. Some of those spiritually "dead" will convert to Lord Jesus during that "thousand years" reign, and that is what that period is for, i.e., for the unsaved who were deceived during this present world, especially the unbelieving Jews which God Himself blinded so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles (per Romans 11).

 

[rebuilder 454]

Your not believing what Christ says about His own return.
Not only Christ speaks this way, so does Paul

All are destroyed who do not believe at the return of Christ; this is a consistent theme in the NT
Jesus saves us from the wrath of God to come on the unbelieving on that DAY
Luke 17

22 Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23 And they will say to you, [h]‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. 24 For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:

27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.

30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 12 - New King James Version

The Woman, the Child, and the Dragon - Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. And another sign appeared in heaven: behold...

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6 And you became followers of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit, 7 so that you became examples to all in Macedonia and Achaia who believe. 8 For from you the word of the Lord has sounded forth, not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place. Your faith toward God has gone out, so that we do not need to say anything.

9 For they themselves declare concerning us what manner of entry we had to you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God,

10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Thessalonians 1 - New King James Version

Greeting - Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. God’s Final Judgment and Glory - We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting...

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3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer;

6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you,

7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,

8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

Nope.
You are not believing Christ's own words.
"Before the flood"
"Normal life.
Everyday life
Planning for the future."
Christs words.
"One taken, one left behind.
Watch therefore and be ready."
Christ's own words.
Those LEFT BEHIND AFTER NOAH IS GATHERED INTO THE ARK WERE JUDGED.
THOSE LEAVING IN THE ARK WENT OVER A MILE INTO THE AIR.
Stop the rebellion against Christ's own words.

Where is lot removed postrib?
Where is Noah removed postrib?
BOTH EXAMPLES BY CHRISTS OWN WORDS DESTROY YOUR THEORY.

CHRISTS WORDS: "... BUT PRAY THAT YOU MAY BE COUNTING WORTY TO ESCAPE THE THINGS ABOUT TO COME UP ON THE EARTH AND STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN."

CHRISTS OWN WORDS: " BECAUSE YOU HAVE KEPT THE WORD OF MY TESTIMONY. I WILL ALSO KEEP YOU FROM THE HOUR OF TRIAL ABOUT TO COME UPON THE WHOLE EARTH."

You have no excuse to cling to man's teaching and reject Christ's own words.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Not every believer on Christ is going to be delivered up during the coming "great tribulation". If everyone were, then God's Word would say nothing about Christ's faithful Church being "caught up" to Him when He comes on the last day.

Nor will believers who will be deceived by the false-Messiah be blotted out when Jesus comes. Many in Christ's Church will be deceived, because they listen to men instead of directly in God's written Word. Ezekiel 44 shows they will stand in judgment throughout Christ's future "thousand years" reign, as they will be taught the difference between the holy and the profane, the clean and the unclean.

Furthermore, the "dead" of Revelation 20:5 is not about the flesh dead. Their spirit is still alive as they will be changed also on the day of Christ's coming. They will go through Christ's "thousand years" reign standing in judgment, and still liable to perish at the latter "lake of fire" event. It is their 'souls' that are in a spiritually 'dead' state, not about their still being dead in the ground.

After Christ's future "thousand years" reign, then God's Great White Throne Judgment will happen, and the books are opened to see if there are any names written in the book of life. That is what the implied 2nd resurrection is about, i.e., a resurrection LIKE the "first resurrection" unto everlasting life in Christ Jesus. Some of those spiritually "dead" will convert to Lord Jesus during that "thousand years" reign, and that is what that period is for, i.e., for the unsaved who were deceived during this present world, especially the unbelieving Jews which God Himself blinded so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles (per Romans 11).

So now you are attempting to smear what is written about believers IN THE TRIB.
IT SAYS " EVERY MAN WOMAN AND CHILD TAKES THE MARK. WHETHER FREE OR BOND, THEY ALL ALL TAKE THE MARK THAT ARE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE"

It says, " power was given unto him to overcome the saints"

Your doctrine, can not, in a million years receive that clear passage.
Look at what you just did to it.
So very sad.

You are now actually seeing yourself address "THE IMPOSSIBILITY" OF ANY POSTRIB DOCTRINE, NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY.

PSSSSSSST....if they are all dead, and the bible is true, you just lost your ENTIRE BACKBONE OF YOUR THEORY.

You have a "dot connection problem".
You are attempting to JUSTIFY your mess you make, by listening to men, instead of believing the bible.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Apostle Paul got his coming of Christ and gathering of His Church in 1 Thess.4 from Lord Jesus. The Matthew 24:31 and Mark 13:27 verses reveals that.

With the Matthew 24:31 version, Jesus is pointing to the asleep saints Paul said Jesus will bring with Him when He descends to earth from Heaven; they are resurrected first. And then the Mark 13:27 version is about the saints still alive on earth on that day which will be "caught up" to Jesus and those asleep saints. All that is major proof that Jesus was giving that to His Church, and Apostle Paul repeated it in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17.

What pre-trib verses? There are none.

Keep making up reasons you listen to man and have not produced ANY VERSE...NONE...backing up your postrib rapture theory.
You are outta gas friend.

 

[rebuilder 454]

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Bible Gateway passage: 1 Thessalonians 4 - New King James Version

Plea for Purity - Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God; for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your...

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The Comfort of Christ’s Coming​

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen [b]asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Clearly there are living saints on the earth at the Day of the Lord's returning.
To read this any other way, like inserting a pause, like Christ partially comes back halting His return, is warping these scriptures and all the others that talk about His return

Lol
We both believe saints are raptured at his coming.
Now you just throw random verses at the rapture.

Your problem, that you either cannot see, or maybe you're just flat out mbarrassed, is that you need some verse somewhere showing the timing of the rapture. Everybody believes that there is going to be a rapture. The problem that you have is you cannot receive Christ words on the timing of the rapture. Jesus went to all that trouble to teach you when he is coming back. Can you simply read it?
There's some kind of mental block that causes you to cling to a theory with white knuckles.
And I am taking it apart.
To the point, that you gotta hole in your boat so big, you could drive a school bus through it.
And you look down at that hole and you laugh at it.

 

[WPM]

Nope.
You are not believing Christ's own words.
"Before the flood"
"Normal life.
Everyday life
Planning for the future."
Christs words.
"One taken, one left behind.
Watch therefore and be ready."
Christ's own words.
Those LEFT BEHIND AFTER NOAH IS GATHERED INTO THE ARK WERE JUDGED.
THOSE LEAVING IN THE ARK WENT OVER A MILE INTO THE AIR.
Stop the rebellion against Christ's own words.

Where is lot removed postrib?
Where is Noah removed postrib?
BOTH EXAMPLES BY CHRISTS OWN WORDS DESTROY YOUR THEORY.

CHRISTS WORDS: "... BUT PRAY THAT YOU MAY BE COUNTING WORTY TO ESCAPE THE THINGS ABOUT TO COME UP ON THE EARTH AND STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN."

CHRISTS OWN WORDS: " BECAUSE YOU HAVE KEPT THE WORD OF MY TESTIMONY. I WILL ALSO KEEP YOU FROM THE HOUR OF TRIAL ABOUT TO COME UPON THE WHOLE EARTH."

You have no excuse to cling to man's teaching and reject Christ's own words.

Taken before what? Utter destruction! Where is a prolonged tribulation mentioned here? Nowhere. You invent it and add it unto Scripture.

Jesus then concludes Matthew 24:35-41: “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.”

After telling us that “heaven and earth shall pass away,” Jesus immediately tells us: “of that day and hour knoweth no man.” What day and hour? The one and only final future climactic coming (or parousia) of our Lord. Please see the Greek word is used twice here in this passage. This final day that is approaching is coming unexpectedly for the lost. His arrival will surprise only those who are not prepared for it. This fits in with the “thief in the night” scenario found elsewhere in Scripture. It would seem to confirm that the day that Christ returns is the day when the current corrupt natural order (both the creature and creation) is gloriously changed. The wicked and all corruption are destroyed when Jesus comes. The Lord here identifies the passing away of “heaven and earth” with “the coming of the Son of man.”

Jesus simply mentions these two days in history to show us what His one final climactic return will look like. There is no suggestion of 2 raptures in Jesus teaching. That belongs to your Left Behind novels. That is invented nonsense. The word rapture is not even in the Bible - in the original or the English. Pretribs force it in there to support their error.

How many wicked survived in Noah's day?
How many wicked survived in Sodom?

After all, this is the actual subject that Christ is speaking of.

Revelation 3:10 reads: "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep [Gr. tēreō] thee from [Gr. ek] the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

Has absolutely nothing to do with some future rapture of the Church. Pretribulationists miss (or ignore) the fact that the promise being given here was actually written to the Philadelphian believers in John’s day. The Philadelphians were firstly commended for their steadfast faithfulness and then secondly, as a result of that, they were promised they would be rewarded by given special protection in the hour of trial. We should not forget that the issue in view here was the brutal persecution of the Christians by the Romans in that day, specifically in Asia Minor. The early Church experienced heavy tribulation throughout the known world where the Roman Empire ruled and reigned in unchallenged power. The obedience that is being documented here (“thou hast kept the word of my patience”) was that of these early Philadelphian believers. The New Living Translation puts it “Because you have obeyed my command to persevere.”

We must establish, who is being protected and when? The Philadelphian Christians are promised protection from the said trial back in biblical times. Jesus assures them “I … will keep thee from the hour of temptation.” Why? On the expressed grounds of their ongoing obedience to God. Their faithfulness is both acknowledge and rewarded: “thou hast kept the word of my patience.” Preservation in the midst of trial was/is a common reality for faithful believers throughout all time. Whilst God’s people have experienced awful persecution through time, it has often been God’s heart in scriptural times and Church history to guard His elect in the midst of adversity rather than remove them from it. We see that throughout Scripture.

This has absolutely nothing to do with some imaginary future Pretrib rapture.

What you miss is, the same assurance that we find in Revelation 3:10 is found in our Lord’s Prayer in John 17:15 (only it was written a few years before). The comparison cannot be lightly dismissed as both were penned by the same author in the same biblical time-period. Praying to His Father for His followers He petitioned: “I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep [Gr. tēreō] them from [Gr. ek] the evil.”

 

[WPM]

Your problem, that you either cannot see, or maybe you're just flat out mbarrassed, is that you need some verse somewhere showing the timing of the rapture. Everybody believes that there is going to be a rapture. The problem that you have is you cannot receive Christ words on the timing of the rapture. Jesus went to all that trouble to teach you when he is coming back. Can you simply read it?
There's some kind of mental block that causes you to cling to a theory with white knuckles.
And I am taking it apart.
To the point, that you gotta hole in your boat so big, you could drive a school bus through it.
And you look down at that hole and you laugh at it.

All you have is ad hominem and avoidance. That is your MO. You have zero scriptural support for your claims.

Your comment are all projection. You are describing yourself. The problem that you have is you cannot receive Christ words on the timing of the rapture. Jesus went to all that trouble to teach you when he is coming back. Can you simply read it?

 

[WPM]

Not every believer on Christ is going to be delivered up during the coming "great tribulation". If everyone were, then God's Word would say nothing about Christ's faithful Church being "caught up" to Him when He comes on the last day.

Nor will believers who will be deceived by the false-Messiah be blotted out when Jesus comes. Many in Christ's Church will be deceived, because they listen to men instead of directly in God's written Word. Ezekiel 44 shows they will stand in judgment throughout Christ's future "thousand years" reign, as they will be taught the difference between the holy and the profane, the clean and the unclean.

Furthermore, the "dead" of Revelation 20:5 is not about the flesh dead. Their spirit is still alive as they will be changed also on the day of Christ's coming. They will go through Christ's "thousand years" reign standing in judgment, and still liable to perish at the latter "lake of fire" event. It is their 'souls' that are in a spiritually 'dead' state, not about their still being dead in the ground.

After Christ's future "thousand years" reign, then God's Great White Throne Judgment will happen, and the books are opened to see if there are any names written in the book of life. That is what the implied 2nd resurrection is about, i.e., a resurrection LIKE the "first resurrection" unto everlasting life in Christ Jesus. Some of those spiritually "dead" will convert to Lord Jesus during that "thousand years" reign, and that is what that period is for, i.e., for the unsaved who were deceived during this present world, especially the unbelieving Jews which God Himself blinded so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles (per Romans 11).

Where does Ezekiel 44 shows they will stand in judgment throughout Christ's future "thousand years" reign? Nowhere.

 

[rebuilder 454]

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Bible Gateway passage: 1 Thessalonians 4 - New King James Version

Plea for Purity - Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God; for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your...

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The Comfort of Christ’s Coming​

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen [b]asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Clearly there are living saints on the earth at the Day of the Lord's returning.
To read this any other way, like inserting a pause, like Christ partially comes back halting His return, is warping these scriptures and all the others that talk about His return

How many times did Jesus direct his own to watch and be ready to not go anywhere?
To watch and be ready to see him gather wicked people?
How many times did Jesus direct wicked people to watch and bevready to be destroyed?

That is what you are teaching.

Your teaching is "therefore comfort one another with these words: 'I am going to harvest the entire Earth of wicked people pretrib...and you alone, you awesome, Mighty faithfulled believers, will be tortured and killed during a great tribulation so take comfort in these words"

Totally, ridiculously, made up, in your minds of twisted passeges.

 

[Davy]

So now you are attempting to smear what is written about believers IN THE TRIB.

That certainly is an idiotic and false statement. Is that what your Pre-trib Rapture teachers teach you to do, to lie and bear false witness, even against one who has 'shown' you the actual Bible Scriptures of what Lord Jesus said? Do you really think Lord Jesus is going to let you get by with doing that?

 

[Davy]

Keep making up reasons you listen to man and have not produced ANY VERSE...NONE...backing up your postrib rapture theory.
You are outta gas friend.

And there's another lie and false witness you have done, showing that your heart is not right with The Lord.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Revelation 13 has the idea of some taken into captivity, meaning not immediately killed by the Beast world system
ELSE, why the mention for the patience of the saints? Who needs patience to endure? The ones taken captive...

The saints are to trust in God and have faithful patience awaiting their deliverance coming for them from Heaven with the return of Christ.

Jesus said we believers are not of the world, not earthly, we are of God.

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to [c]continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the [e]patience and the faith of the saints.

Some are led into captivity, and some are killed with the sword, like perhaps beheaded. But the ones who do that to the faithful in Christ shall also receive the same back again from God.

2 Thess 1
6 For it is a righteous thing with God to recompense with tribulation those who trouble you;

7 and to you who are troubled, rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels,

8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 when He shall come on that Day to be glorified in His saints and to be admired in all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

Of course you will.
You will be left behind,EXACTLY as Jesus said you would be, after the pretrib rapture.

You guys are the trib saints.
All martyred for not receiving the mark, ( or take it to save your hide), exactly as is taught in God word.

Not a single postribber even knew about the command to "pray to be worthy for the pretrib rapture."
We showed you guys the escape verses.
2 of them...BY JESUS. ( no postribber ever goes there)
No loyal postrib theorist, can honestly pray Jesus commanded prayer.
Your FAITH IS IN STAYING.
AND YOU WILL FOR SURE.

 

[Scott Downey]

How many times did Jesus direct his own to watch and be ready to not go anywhere?
To watch and be ready to see him gather wicked people?
How many times did Jesus direct wicked people to watch and bevready to be destroyed?

That is what you are teaching.

Your teaching is "therefore comfort one another with these words: 'I am going to harvest the entire Earth of wicked people pretrib...and you alone, you awesome, Mighty faithfulled believers, will be tortured and killed during a great tribulation so take comfort in these words"

Totally, ridiculously, made up, in your minds of twisted passeges.

of course Jesus returns to gather His people to Himself.
And also sends angels to gather the wicked

And everyone is gathered together for judgment

Matthew 25
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.

 

[Davy]

Not a single postribber even knew about the command to "pray to be worthy for the pretrib rapture."

That in quotation marks is made up, it is NOWHERE WRITTEN IN GOD'S WORD. That's a very dangerous evil that you've done against God and His Word there.

We showed you guys the escape verses.

2 of them...BY JESUS. ( no postribber ever goes there)
No loyal postrib theorist, can honestly pray Jesus commanded prayer.
Your FAITH IS IN STAYING.
AND YOU WILL FOR SURE.

I certainly have NOT seen you post any Bible Scriptures supporting a Pre-trib Rapture, so there's another lie you are telling.

Can those in Christ thus rightly assume that the Pre-trib Rapture preachers teach their congregations to LIE about a pre-trib rapture, no matter what? Yes, I definitely think so.

 

[rebuilder 454]

That certainly is an idiotic and false statement. Is that what your Pre-trib Rapture teachers teach you to do, to lie and bear false witness, even against one who has 'shown' you the actual Bible Scriptures of what Lord Jesus said? Do you really think Lord Jesus is going to let you get by with doing that?

Ha.
First QUOTE the reference i made.
Then show me how the bible is wrong.
What are you doing????
Hoping to get "likes" for lying about me personally????
You just literally slung falsehoods, about THE SPECIFIC BIBLE PASSAGES i Forced you to against.
Now comes the general safe attacks with NO DEFENSE CONCERNING THE SPECIFIC PASSAGES.

YOU are completely undone and embarrassed.
What total disregard for Gods word, and your inability to defend your theory.
Embarrassing your colleagues.

 

[Scott Downey]

At the end of the world when Christ returns this happens, the wicked are gathered and taken away, where? to destruction.
While the people of God inherit the earth as the kingdom of God. They remain, the wicked are removed.

Matthew 13
34 All these things spoke Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spoke He not unto them,

35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, “I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.”

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house, and His disciples came unto Him, saying, “Explain unto us the parable of the tares of the field.”

37 He answered and said unto them, “He that soweth the good seed is the Son of Man.

38 The field is the world, the good seed are the children of the Kingdom, but the tares are the children of the wicked one.

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of this world.

41 The Son of Man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His Kingdom all things that offend and them that do iniquity,

42 and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[rebuilder 454]

In the rapture Jesus gathers.
But AFTER THE TRIB, HE SENDS ANGELS TO GATHER.
Ahem...."SEND", MEANS, HE STAYS, AND OTHERS DO THE GATHERING.

UH...YOU LEFT THAT OUT.

You simply have some disregard for God word.

 

[Davy]

Ha.
First QUOTE the reference i made.
Then show me how the bible is wrong.
What are you doing????
Hoping to get "likes" for lying about me personally????
You just literally slung falsehoods, about THE SPECIFIC BIBLE PASSAGES i Forced you to against.
Now comes the general safe attacks with NO DEFENSE CINCERNING THE SPECIFIC PASSAGES.

YOU are completely undone and embarrassed.
What total disregard for Gods word, and your inability to defend your theory.
Embarrassing your colleagues.

YOU are the one who claimed you already posted Bible Scripture to prove a Pre-trib Rapture. I haven't seen you do that, where is it? Thus the burden of proof is upon YOU, not me.

I already know... there are NO Bible Scriptures that support a pre-trib rapture.