Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[ProDeo]

I do not know....I don't judge that. That's between you and God...but I hope that you do or will.

I am a sinner, so of course I fear God. I know myself, my talents, my weak points, the latter I fear. I am deeply impressed what Jesus said to Peter in Luke 22:31-32. I have asked Jesus to pray for me too. I am NOSAS, so enduring till the end, death.

I also know that I don't have to live in fear all days long for my salvation, Scripture states I am bought with a price, sealed with the Holy Spirit. And I believe it.

For me that's the balance (all of it above) I spoke about in post 1201.

 

[Episkopos]

2Cor 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. [ESV]
2Cor 5:21 for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.[YLT]
2Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. [KJV]

I was replying to this v21, it's Isaiah 53 all over.

One time usage of God, so correct translation.

Not so fast. Adding the word "God" in is just another layer of error from the translators pen. They use a technique of very slow alteration to change the meaning of the text to appeal to a wider audience...sells more bibles. Another example of this is using "remission" of sins...and eventually "forgiveness". People slowly fall away from the truth in this way. What should be used in this case for the Greek "aphesis" is FREEDOM from sin.

But back to the verse in question. There is no "He made him....there is just one "he" ...it should read he was made sin...with the understanding that He was made sin by us (wicked men...not God)

And the word "ginomai" in this verse should be translated as "fulfill".

The bible translates the bible. You just have to compare similar verses. The bible never says we become righteousness, ...that's not even proper language. No one becomes humility. No one becomes joyfulness.

The word ginomai is used elsewhere to say...."Your will be DONE (ginimai) on earth as it is in heaven." That is the context....to DO or fulfill the righteousness of God. Righteous is as righteous DOES.

The global context of this verse lies with the words of Joseph who said...what men thought to do for evil, God turned into good.

So going back to the verse...Jesus, who knew no sin, was made sin by (for) us, so that in Him we might fulfill the righteousness of God. On earth as it is in heaven.

The key to the verse is IN HIM....who knew no sin...who lifts us out of sin to DO righteousness on God's level. That is the gospel.

 

[Laurina]

2Cor 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. [ESV]
2Cor 5:21 for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.[YLT]
2Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. [KJV]

I was replying to this v21, it's Isaiah 53 all over.

One time usage of God, so correct translation.

Ohh, I didn't see the comma...I saw: Is. 53:21.
Sorry about that!

However, in the following translations:
NLT,
NIV,
NET, and
BBE
they say: God made Him (Jesus) to be sin for us ..... and that can't be because in the Greek, the word Theos (God) is only there once in the last part of the verse " that we might "ginomai" the righteousness of God in Him."

...just pointing that out....my 2 cents worth.

 

[Episkopos]

I am a sinner, so of course I fear God. I know myself, my talents, my weak points, the latter I fear. I am deeply impressed what Jesus said to Peter in Luke 22:31-32. I have asked Jesus to pray for me too. I am NOSAS, so enduring till the end, death.

I also know that I don't have to live in fear all days long for my salvation, Scripture states I am bought with a price, sealed with the Holy Spirit. And I believe it.

For me that's the balance (all of it above) I spoke about in post 1201.

Sure. We belong to Christ through regeneration. But no more so than the Jews were the people of God before us. Only a few will bear any eternal fruit. Only a remnant will be saved from the power of sin. So run as to win.

 

[Episkopos]

He says he does fear the Lord will reject him.

Projecting his fear on forum members.

Actually teaching the fear of the Lord to the religiously smug who are settled on their lees...the spoiled children of an abused grace. Saving souls potentially.

But people HATE being awakened out of a deep sleep.

 

[Behold]

But people HATE being awakened out of a deep sleep.

Well, look at you. @Episkopos .
Here you are ranting away like a madman, 62 pages into a Spiritually Darkened Thread that is designed to please the Devil and to deceive a real christian and embolden a foolish religious person to agree with you.

Listen,
The vile Cross rejecting heresy you teach, is profoundly EVIL........however, it wont be waking anyone up.
Tho maybe one day these MODS will wake up and realize what you are, and what you are doing here on this Forum for over a decade.
All you can provide is "doctrines of devils", as you are literally defined in a KJV as a Heb. 13:9., and a Galatians 1:8.

You're the very one who teaches the lie that "The Cross is not about forgiveness".. .as you've told us over and over.
And you also teach the Cross denying blasphemy that : "god does not give His righteousness to anyone'....
Yet, without the imputed righteousness of God, you wont be going to heaven, little fella.
So, mark it down, as its a fact that without God's Imputed righteousness given as a GIFT, to a BELIEVER, who has been FORGIVEN all their sin......., = you are not born again.

So, do Let us know when you are able to comprehend that "all have sinned and there is none righteous... no not one"....which is WHY God has to provide the sinner with "the Gift of Righteousness", who is JESUS ON THE CROSS....... as otherwise you will die in your sins, on your way to hell.

So, "wake up" if you find that you are able @Episkopos

 

[Episkopos]

Well, look at you. @Episkopos .
Here you are ranting away like a madman, 62 pages into a Spiritually Darkened Thread that is designed to please the Devil and to deceive a real christian and embolden a foolish religious person to agree with you.

Listen,
The vile Cross rejecting heresy you teach, is profoundly EVIL........however, it wont be waking anyone up.
Tho maybe one day these MODS will wake up and realize what you are, and what you are doing here on this Forum for over a decade.
All you can provide is "doctrines of devils", as you are literally defined in a KJV as a Heb. 13:9., and a Galatians 1:8.

You're the very one who teaches the lie that "The Cross is not about forgiveness".. .as you've told us over and over.
And you also teach the Cross denying blasphemy that : "god does not give His righteousness to anyone'....
Yet, without the imputed righteousness of God, you wont be going to heaven, little fella.
So, mark it down, as its a fact that without God's Imputed righteousness given as a GIFT, to a BELIEVER, who has been FORGIVEN all their sin......., = you are not born again.

So, do Let us know when you are able to comprehend that "all have sinned and there is none righteous... no not one"....which is WHY God has to provide the sinner with "the Gift of Righteousness", who is JESUS ON THE CROSS....... as otherwise you will die in your sins, on your way to hell.

So, "wake up" if you find that you are able @Episkopos

Here is listed above ...for convenience ...many of the doctrinal errors of the modern Babylonian religion...and we even get an insight into the kind of venom that spews from such a place towards truth tellers. And here is my response to such gross heresies.

1. Jesus didn't come to make God merciful. That is a lie and a slander on God's character whose "mercy endures forever".

2. Jesus came to fulfill and equip us for what we could NOT DO ourselves. Be holy as God is holy. We put Jesus to death by our extreme sinful rebellion. But God turned that into something good. Jesus came to SET US FREE from sin...redeem us from darkness and death...and quicken us into eternal life.

3. It is NOT the death of Christ that justifies us...that actually condemns us. It is the resurrection of Christ that justifies those who are raised with Him. If Christ be not raised then you can only be still dead in your sins.

4. God never imputed His righteousness to anyone. He imputes a man's own righteousness to the man. Otherwise God is condoning a sinful holiness and a lawless salvation...that goes contrary to every word of the bible.

5. In Him is no sin. We are set free from sin when we enter INTO Christ.

Now the few points I have listed will only sound evil to evil ones. Those who elevate the flesh and subvert the truth. Come out of her My people, says the Lord.

 

[Behold]

Here is listed above ...for convenience ...many of the doctrinal errors of the modern Babylonian religion..

Its interesting that @Episkopos falsely claims that Paul's own """"Gosple of the Grace of God""", that is The Cross of Christ, that is the "imputed righteousness" of God ....that is "the GIFT of Righteousness" is a... "Babylonian religion" he teaches.

Take note readers.
Take note MODS.

1. Jesus didn't come to make God merciful.

I accept that your god isn't merciful. @Episkopos
You are a Calvinist, among other Heresies, so, of course your God is anything but merciful.
And in your case, you really should fear Him.

However, the Father of Jesus, the one true God, is indeed not just "God is LOVE" but "His MERCY endures FOREVER">.. the Bible teaches.

Jesus said, "if you've seen ME......you've SEEN the Father".
And that means that God's Mercy is the same as we find with The Lord........Its continual, its everylasting, and its perfect.

Jesus didnt come into the world to create the demonic illusion that God is not merciful, as your demonic theology would falsely state.
See, Everything about God, as revealed by The Cross and The Christ, proves that God's Mercy "endures forever".

. Jesus came to fulfill and equip us for what we could NOT DO ourselves. Be holy as God is holy.

You are a very confused religious pretender.
Your idea of Holiness is "doing stuff".

So, i'll ask you again......and you didnt answer the last 2 times @Episkopos ..

List 5 Things you do, that are HOLY............Holy in the sense of God's Absolute Holiness........equal to it.

Tell us all about it... List just 5.

. It is NOT the death of Christ that justifies us...that actually condemns us. It is the resurrection of Christ

God's Son offered His Blood and Death TO GOD His Father so that a religious pompas pretender like you, can be eternally Forgiven..
So, for you to falsely claim that this BLOOD COVENANT that is between Jesus and his Father, "condems us".....is such a Satanic concept/theology.
Its amazing that these Mods just sit there and let you continue to try to deceive all these years on This Forum.

Your Theology is Cross Rejecting garbage, its just demonic religious garbage that spews out of you like a broken sewer. @Episkopos .

Listen up ...

If there is no CROSS, then the Resurrection of Christ has no MEANING, no POWER< and no AUTHORITY.
I notice that you always avoid the Cross. You avoided it in your Salvation Testimony also....but you can always revise that as need be, .. right?

How can you be so mentally ill equipped, that you can't even understand something so simple as God's Son's Blood and Death as forgiveness for YOUR Sin.... as this is the Heart of the Cross, and the Heart of The Gospel.
God's GRACE is Jesus's DEATH for SINNERS.........to forgive their SIN.
Listen, the Gospel is not....>>"believe in the Resurrection".

4 God never imputed His righteousness to anyone.

You just lied again to the forum.
I realize this is your ministry, and perhaps one day these Mods who have some authority are going to realize YOU.
What a great day for the Forum that would be...

Now, Read carefully... @Episkopos

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

English Standard Version
For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Berean Standard Bible
God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

Berean Literal Bible
He made the One not having known sin to be sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

King James Bible
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

New King James Version
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

New American Standard Bible
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin in our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

NASB 1995
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

NASB 1977
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Legacy Standard Bible
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Amplified Bible
He made Christ who knew no sin to [judicially] be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we would become the righteousness of God [that is, we would be made acceptable to Him and placed in a right relationship with Him by His gracious lovingkindness].

Berean Annotated Bible
God made Him who knew no sin to be sin (a sin offering) on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God {Theou}.

Christian Standard Bible
He made the one who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He made the One who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

American Standard Version
Him who knew no sin he made to be sin on our behalf; that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

Contemporary English Version
Christ never sinned! But God treated him as a sinner, so Christ could make us acceptable to God.

English Revised Version
Him who knew no sin he made to be sin on our behalf; that we might become the righteousness of God in him

5. In Him is no sin. We are set free from sin when we enter INTO Christ.

Listen again.....

Noone can enter into Christ until their SINS are washed in the Blood of Jesus., "Purged" "forgiven"..... and THE CROSS of Christ is the only WAY there..... John 14:6

= You have to be SINLESS......>FORGIVEN.......before you can become born again, "in Christ" and "one with God".

 

[MostlyConfused]

That was just…odious. Malevolent. Hateful. Like the “dire need” guy but on meth.

 

[ProDeo]

Actually teaching the fear of the Lord to the religiously smug who are settled on their lees...the spoiled children of an abused grace. Saving souls potentially.

But people HATE being awakened out of a deep sleep.

No, it's true, you project your version of the fear of the Lord on the forum members. You preach an angry God that demands perfection. Speaking to the forum members as people who need to be rescued from outer darkness. Because that is where they go if they don't listen to you.

 

[Episkopos]

No, it's true, you project your version of the fear of the Lord on the forum members. You preach an angry God that demands perfection.

You are not hearing me. You are hearing YOUR version of me. I preach a loving but HOLY God.

God goes EASY on the poor, the humble, the God-fearing, the honest. But He resists the proud self-righteous, unmerciful, selfish ones who name and claim their share of God's glory.

The higher walk is about glory. The lower walk is about mercy.

All you have to do for a basic salvation into the nations is hold fast, be humble, don't judge...and fear the Lord. DO what is right in God's eyes. That's it. If you want to go farther...then surrender your life to Him as a bondslave.

Speaking to the forum members as people who need to be rescued from outer darkness. Because that is where they go if they don't listen to you.

If they don't listen to Jesus, you mean. People need to be DE-programmed before they hear the truth. All one needs is honesty...to begin to see how the devil has infiltrated the church system and corrupted the gospel away from God's intention.

I'm just citing verses that have been left out of the equation...to hopefully wake some people up.

 

[Laurina]

You are not hearing me. You are hearing YOUR version of me. I preach a loving but HOLY God.

God goes EASY on the poor, the humble, the God-fearing, the honest. But He resists the proud self-righteous, unmerciful, selfish ones who name and claim their share of God's glory.

The higher walk is about glory. The lower walk is about mercy.

All you have to do for a basic salvation into the nations is hold fast, be humble, don't judge...and fear the Lord. DO what is right in God's eyes. That's it. If you want to go farther...then surrender your life to Him as a bondslave.

If they don't listen to Jesus, you mean. People need to be DE-programmed before they hear the truth. All one needs is honesty...to begin to see how the devil has infiltrated the church system and corrupted the gospel away from God's intention.

I'm just citing verses that have been left out of the equation...to hopefully wake some people up.

"A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight."
Prov. 11:1

 

[Lizbeth]

You know...that one verse has overthrown the faith of more believers...2 Cor. 5:21...and it deserves a video of its own...and a future thread of it's own.

I think I'll call it "The Most corrupted verse in the bible"

What do you think of that? :)

I call it one of the most beautiful verses in the bible. And some folks here want to pick it to pieces til it is unrecognizable. Nobody need be offended that the sinless Christ was made sin for us or that we unworthies might become the righteousness of God in Him. It is not literal, it is a manner of speaking...how it is being reckoned. The verse is indicating in a beautiful way God accepting Christ's atonement for us by proxy...it speaks of a divine exchange, His life for ours. AKA the Gospel.

2Co 5:19-21

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


Isa 53:4-6

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isa 53:12

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Lev 16:10

But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

Lev 16:21-22

And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

 

[Behold]

That was just…odious. Malevolent. Hateful. Like the “dire need” guy but on meth.

Let me give you some advice "confused one". @MostlyConfused

First notice that Episkopos for the 3rd time avoided my Question, when i asked him to provide 5 examples of His HOLINESS, as compared to God's.
See, this deceiver teaches that you can be HOLY by your "doing righteousness" which is a Cross Rejecting = Satanic Lie.
So, that is why i ask him again and again, and again, to provided an example of 5 of his..

Why dont you ask Him to answer my Question that ive now asked Him 3x.......at least.

Now, listen up "confused".......When dealing with Biblical Truth..... never pick sides on a forum, as this proves you're carnal.

See, religious small minded people, ....what they do on a "christian forum"...., is they read something and decide its value by how it makes them FEEL.
In other words, their entire existance is.....>>"how does this make me feel......i want to feel, feel, something that makes me feel good".

So in their little mind......if the Teaching or the Post makes them feel good then it must be good, and if it does not scratch that carnal itch for them, then "that is bad, hateful, ect, ect"..

So, See that one?
That one comes to a Christian forum not to learn, and not to offer anything of value......they only come and see how something makes them FEEL, because they are so very CARNAL.

A.) Only Choose TRUTH.......Only Seek TRUTH, when you are evaluating someone's theology........and when you do that, you'll often be able to avoid the liars and the deceivers who PRAY on your feelings........they write what feels good to your FLESH, and that is the devil's work.

 

[IndianaRob]

You know...that one verse has overthrown the faith of more believers...2 Cor. 5:21...and it deserves a video of its own...and a future thread of it's own.

I think I'll call it "The Most corrupted verse in the bible"

What do you think of that? :)

All that verse says is that Jesus came in sinful human flesh. How is that corrupt?

 

[Lizbeth]

All one needs is honesty.

Honesty before God, but all one needs is the carnal mind to hear you, not honesty. We can miss the mark by one of two ways, either we fall short of it, or we go beyond it. You can dig so deep that you wind up in another country, another kingdom altogether. The kind of knowledge and understanding we need is not carnal, it is spiritual. And the bible is written in spiritual language, which you do tremendous damage to when you pick it apart with the carnal mind.

Wanting to go higher/deeper than the clouds of heaven was Lucifer's downfall. Tree of Knowledge. Selah.

And I think I'll just add this while I'm here:

Rom 5:12-14

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses,…


If you can’t impute righteousness where there isn’t righteousness, then you can’t NOT impute sin where there is sin. Yet the scriptures do just that. You’re definition of how imputation is being used in the Romans scrips is simply erroneous. Imputation in the blessed scriptures in Romans is God “calling those things which be not as though they are”.

 

[MostlyConfused]

See, this deceiver teaches that you can be HOLY by your "doing righteousness"

No he doesn’t. He quite literally does not teach that. He sharply, sharply, sharply divides between them with an almost surgical precision and it’s a strange kind of blindness that cannot see that.

 

[Lizbeth]

No he doesn’t. He quite literally does not teach that. He sharply, sharply, sharply divides between them with an almost surgical precision and it’s a strange kind of blindness that cannot see that.

It is righteousness UNTO holiness sister, so not sharply divided.

 

[MostlyConfused]

Now, listen up "confused".......When dealing with Biblical Truth..... never pick sides on a forum, as this proves you're carnal.

Siding with the truth is carnal? Thats so ridiculous I cant Comprehend it. Everywhere else you can side with the truth but on a forum you can’t ? You have picked a side against episkopos. By your own words you are carnal.

 

[Episkopos]

Honesty before God, but all one needs is the carnal mind to hear you, not honesty. We can miss the mark by one of two ways, either we fall short of it, or we go beyond it. You can dig so deep that you wind up in another country, another kingdom altogether. The kind of knowledge and understanding we need is not carnal, it is spiritual. And the bible is written in spiritual language, which you do tremendous damage to when you pick it apart with the carnal mind.

Wanting to go higher/deeper than the clouds of heaven was Lucifer's downfall. Tree of Knowledge. Selah.

And I think I'll just add this while I'm here:

Rom 5:12-14

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses,…


If you can’t impute righteousness where there isn’t righteousness, then you can’t NOT impute sin where there is sin. Yet the scriptures do just that. You’re definition of how imputation is being used in the Romans scrips is simply erroneous. Imputation in the blessed scriptures in Romans is God “calling those things which be not as though they are”.

So, in your scheme... When we do something wrong it's... AS IF...Jesus did it, not us. And everything that Jesus does perfectly....it's AS IF we did it, not Jesus.

It's a con game called bait and switch....and you fell for it as many others also did.

And if you are looking to justify sin... What's not to like???