Dolly Parton Believed in God, but Was It the God of the Bible?

[amigo de christo]

Does being a Dolly Parton fan mean you get to say she was right with God? You can't have it both ways. You say she was saved? Who makes you the judge of that?

bingo and bullseye . They trying to wear us down and out sister .
But it always them making excuses day in and day out for sin and for unrepentant sinners .
THEY JUDGE us like we the monsters for exposing sin and those who willfully accepted sin , like dolly did .
DOLLY can sit and say all day long that homosexaulity is good
but if we rebuke it , THEY CALL US the hater . wrangler is lost and i do mean lost as many now are .
THEY follow the god that dont expose sin and if any on e does expose sin that god calls them judgmental and a hater .
DO NOT let them wear you down sister .
ANYTHING that is rebellion to GOD is gonna be exposed on my watch .
AND SIN is .
DOLLy supported it . Lady sounded a lot like oprah wimphrey did also .
THESE people love money and fame sister . THEY love the god that gives them the desires of the flesh .
THEY CONDEMN his own words and his own people who bring the reminders again st sin .
THEY lost sister . on that have no doubt . and that is not me condemning them that is me exposing THEIR FRUIT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Does being a Dolly Parton fan mean you get to say she was right with God? You can't have it both ways. You say she was saved? Who makes you the judge of that?

if we expose their sins they call us Haters , they call us judgmental.
I am here to remind you today sister , DONT cave in to their VICTIM card mentality that always
tries to make us who warn seem as haters .
NOTICE they CANNOT bring scripture so they bring the victim dont judge card .
I AINT BUYING one word of t hese people . I KNOW WHO I SERVE and I AM F ULLY persauded
GOD , CHRIST never has been or ever will be a supporter of SIN or of anyone who justifies THEIR SIN or anothers SIN .
DOLLY JUSTIFIED the LGBTQ . SHE never realized who she hated and who she rebelled against , THE TRUE GOD .
GOD called homosexaulity an ab ominatoin and DOLLY called GOD A LIAR as she followed her own
version of what god works best for her . Just cause i warn and rebuke
does not mean i had or have any pleasure in dollys destruction . ITS WHY i warn folks to repent and not to justify sin
BECAUSE I DO NOT DESIRE their destruction . but rather they would repent .
They are lost sister . and that is a fact . THE blind cannot lead the blind , i say again the blind cannot lead the blind .

 

[amigo de christo]

Does being a Dolly Parton fan mean you get to say she was right with God? You can't have it both ways. You say she was saved? Who makes you the judge of that?

They say . they say Dolly was saved . SAVED F ROM WHAT . FREED from what .
SHE supported SIN and justified SIN . The saved WHO TRULY DO BELIEVE ON JESUS
would have HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT .
Now tell me , DOES the SPIRIT unction us TO SUPPORT SIN , OR DOES IT CONVICT US OF SIN and lead us TO REPENTANCE .
ITS THE LATTER ONE SISTER . THE HOLY SPIRIT has NEVER once
honored sin , justifed sin , THOSE WHO DO are NOT WALKING after the SPIRIT .
Notice even david when confronted with h is sin , REPENTED and DID NOT RATHER JUSTIFY IT .
Notice even when we might err , ARE YOU NOT convicted BY THE SPIRIT . THE SPIRIT
warns us against sin , even when the sin present in our flesh rises up to TEMPT US
EVEN THEN THE SPIRI Twarns us . IT DONT JUSTIFY SIN . THEY DO SISTER and they justify those who JUSTIFY SIN TOO .
I am here to rebuke every last one of them and to expose their error . Just as anyone who truly loves the LORD
would also rebuke ME if they saw sin and error . BUT NOT this generation
for when it sees sin and error not only will it not warn , IT ACCUSES THOSE WHO DO WARN .
AND EVEN JUSTIFIES SIN and now even justifies UNBELEIF .
WE IN the last days sister . And time is t ruly running out . I aint here to coddle sin
WE sho uld have been here TO HONOR GOD and to EDIFY one another . AND LIES AND ACCEPTANCE of sin
DOES NEITHER ON E . IT neither honors GOD nor do it edify . IT DESTROYS .

 

[bdavidc]

I can see you are unfamiliar with Matthew 5.....or you choose to not take it seriously.

You are not answering the question. You threw Matthew 5 at me to dodge it.

Matthew 5 does not teach that the ungodly are already forgiven. Jesus said except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven ~Matthew 5:20. In that same chapter he warned of hell fire ~Matthew 5:22 and said if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell ~Matthew 5:29. That is not a blank check of forgiveness for people who will not repent and will not believe.

The Father maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust ~Matthew 5:45. That is sunshine and rain in this life. It is not justification. It is not peace with God. It is not sins blotted out. You are treating common kindness like the gospel and the bible does not do that.

He that believeth not is condemned already ~John 3:18. He that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him ~John 3:36. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out ~Acts 3:19. Whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins ~Acts 10:43. Jesus said that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations ~Luke 24:47.

That is what Scripture teaches. Your line that God has already forgiven all her sins without repentance and faith is not what Scripture teaches. Point to the verse that says an unbelieving unrepentant person already has forgiveness simply because Christ died. You have not done it because the bible does not say it.

 

[bdavidc]

I agree with that.

However, there are no perfect Christians ... if I judged who were in God's will according to my personal beliefs, very few would qualify.

\When I worked as a school teacher, I taught all students the same thing, but my expectations of each student were not the same.
God knows the limitations of each believer and will meet them where they are at, and use them in that situation.
None of this changes the truth of God's Word ... it's just that some score 50% and only a few score 100%.

I am not judging by my personal beliefs. I am measuring public fruit and public teaching by the bible, and that is what Scripture tells us to do. To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them ~Isaiah 8:20. Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God ~1 John 4:1. Ye shall know them by their fruits ~Matthew 7:16.

Yes there are no sinless Christians. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves ~1 John 1:8. That is not the same thing as giving a pass to teaching and fruit that contradict God’s Word. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him ~1 John 2:4. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven ~Matthew 7:21.

God does not grade people 50% and 100% on whether they belong to him. He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life ~1 John 5:12. Meeting a person where they are does not mean leaving them in unbelief or in a public witness that denies the Word. God commandeth all men every where to repent ~Acts 17:30.

You already said none of this changes the truth of God’s Word. Then human limitation is not a reason to excuse what that Word condemns. That is why we need to tell people what the bible actually says. People need to hear the truth. We should not sugarcoat it so as not to hurt someone's feelings. That will only end up very badly for them in eternity.

“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." ~ Matthew 7:13-14

 

[bdavidc]

.. it's just that some score 50% and only a few score 100%.

"I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." ~ Revelation 3:15-16

If you see a man on the road that leads to hell and you will not warn him, God holds you to account for that silence.

The bible says if you hold back from them that are drawn unto death, and you say we did not know, God still knows, and he will render to every man according to his works ~Proverbs 24:11-12.

God told the watchman, if you do not warn the wicked from his way, that man will die in his sin, but his blood will I require at thine hand. If you warn him and he will not turn, he still dies in his sin, but you have delivered your soul ~Ezekiel 33:8-9.

Paul said he was pure from the blood of all men because he did not hide the counsel of God ~Acts 20:26-27.

Keeping quiet is not love. Thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him ~Leviticus 19:17. Jesus already said the broad road leads to destruction and many go that way, and few find the road that leads to life ~Matthew 7:13-14. You cannot save them. You can refuse to act like they are safe when the bible says they are not.

 

[Triumph1300]

It's concerning that when asked, she talked about a force rather then a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

In an interview she spoke in support of the gay movement and also spoke out defending sex change procedures.

Yes she sang some nice gospel songs.
She also produced songs about fornication.

She helped out a lot of children, etc
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Is she saved?
I hope she is.

 

[Marvelloustime]

They say . they say Dolly was saved . SAVED F ROM WHAT . FREED from what .
SHE supported SIN and justified SIN . The saved WHO TRULY DO BELIEVE ON JESUS
would have HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT .
Now tell me , DOES the SPIRIT unction us TO SUPPORT SIN , OR DOES IT CONVICT US OF SIN and lead us TO REPENTANCE .
ITS THE LATTER ONE SISTER . THE HOLY SPIRIT has NEVER once
honored sin , justifed sin , THOSE WHO DO are NOT WALKING after the SPIRIT .
Notice even david when confronted with h is sin , REPENTED and DID NOT RATHER JUSTIFY IT .
Notice even when we might err , ARE YOU NOT convicted BY THE SPIRIT . THE SPIRIT
warns us against sin , even when the sin present in our flesh rises up to TEMPT US
EVEN THEN THE SPIRI Twarns us . IT DONT JUSTIFY SIN . THEY DO SISTER and they justify those who JUSTIFY SIN TOO .
I am here to rebuke every last one of them and to expose their error . Just as anyone who truly loves the LORD
would also rebuke ME if they saw sin and error . BUT NOT this generation
for when it sees sin and error not only will it not warn , IT ACCUSES THOSE WHO DO WARN .
AND EVEN JUSTIFIES SIN and now even justifies UNBELEIF .
WE IN the last days sister . And time is t ruly running out . I aint here to coddle sin
WE sho uld have been here TO HONOR GOD and to EDIFY one another . AND LIES AND ACCEPTANCE of sin
DOES NEITHER ON E . IT neither honors GOD nor do it edify . IT DESTROYS .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

bingo and bullseye . They trying to wear us down and out sister .
But it always them making excuses day in and day out for sin and for unrepentant sinners .
THEY JUDGE us like we the monsters for exposing sin and those who willfully accepted sin , like dolly did .
DOLLY can sit and say all day long that homosexaulity is good
but if we rebuke it , THEY CALL US the hater . wrangler is lost and i do mean lost as many now are .
THEY follow the god that dont expose sin and if any on e does expose sin that god calls them judgmental and a hater .
DO NOT let them wear you down sister .
ANYTHING that is rebellion to GOD is gonna be exposed on my watch .
AND SIN is .
DOLLy supported it . Lady sounded a lot like oprah wimphrey did also .
THESE people love money and fame sister . THEY love the god that gives them the desires of the flesh .
THEY CONDEMN his own words and his own people who bring the reminders again st sin .
THEY lost sister . on that have no doubt . and that is not me condemning them that is me exposing THEIR FRUIT .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

In an interview she spoke in support of the gay movement and also spoke out defending sex change procedures.

Yes she sang some nice gospel songs.
She also produced songs about fornication.

She helped out a lot of children, etc
--------------------------------------

Is she saved?
I hope she is.

knock it off . Some folks here must think that being kind and doing good is an automatic save .
YOu do realize that lots of muslims , lots of buddists , lots of athiests can do good things , even be and appear
to be the nicest people you would ever meet . IT AINT gonna save them .
AND JESUS aint the minstir of sin .
Dolly was lost as a goose in hailstorm .
NOW i do hope near her end as she was suf fering SHE did repent .
T HAT I DO HOPE . but as far as her actions , OH NO sir SHE DID NOT KNOW GOD , SHE DID NOT KNOW CHRIST .
Lets hope she repented .

 

[amigo de christo]

I am not judging by my personal beliefs. I am measuring public fruit and public teaching by the bible, and that is what Scripture tells us to do. To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them ~Isaiah 8:20. Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God ~1 John 4:1. Ye shall know them by their fruits ~Matthew 7:16.

Yes there are no sinless Christians. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves ~1 John 1:8. That is not the same thing as giving a pass to teaching and fruit that contradict God’s Word. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him ~1 John 2:4. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven ~Matthew 7:21.

God does not grade people 50% and 100% on whether they belong to him. He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life ~1 John 5:12. Meeting a person where they are does not mean leaving them in unbelief or in a public witness that denies the Word. God commandeth all men every where to repent ~Acts 17:30.

You already said none of this changes the truth of God’s Word. Then human limitation is not a reason to excuse what that Word condemns. That is why we need to tell people what the bible actually says. People need to hear the truth. We should not sugarcoat it so as not to hurt someone's feelings. That will only end up very badly for them in eternity.

“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." ~ Matthew 7:13-14

By their FRUITS you shall know them .
What is the FRUIT of the SPIRIT .
And what is the FRUIT of the wicked .
Well the fruit of the SPIRIT is in all GOODNESS , RIGHTEOUSNESS and TRUTH
proving what is , ACCEPTABLE TO GOD ALL MIGHTY . SIN AINT acceptab le to GOD .
And as far as what is the fruit of the wicked .
The fruit of the wicked IS TO SIN . AND You better believe they will JUSTIFY SIN .
From what i seen i can absolutey without any convinction say THat dolly parton DID NOT KNOW JESUS THE CHRIST
and thus she did not KNOW GOD . NOW as far as what occured to her in her last year of life .
WELL that i DO NOT KNOW . MAYBE she did repent .

 

[quietthinker]

You are not answering the question. You threw Matthew 5 at me to dodge it.

Matthew 5 does not teach that the ungodly are already forgiven. Jesus said except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven ~Matthew 5:20. In that same chapter he warned of hell fire ~Matthew 5:22 and said if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell ~Matthew 5:29. That is not a blank check of forgiveness for people who will not repent and will not believe.

The Father maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust ~Matthew 5:45. That is sunshine and rain in this life. It is not justification. It is not peace with God. It is not sins blotted out. You are treating common kindness like the gospel and the bible does not do that.

He that believeth not is condemned already ~John 3:18. He that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him ~John 3:36. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out ~Acts 3:19. Whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins ~Acts 10:43. Jesus said that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations ~Luke 24:47.

That is what Scripture teaches. Your line that God has already forgiven all her sins without repentance and faith is not what Scripture teaches. Point to the verse that says an unbelieving unrepentant person already has forgiveness simply because Christ died. You have not done it because the bible does not say it.

Swallowing camels and straining out knats always misses the point bdavidc and gets everything back to front.
Repentance is a result of seeing the kindness of God....and the kindness of God ie, forgiveness, precedes repentance.

Trying to gain God's favour by repentance indicates either not having seen God's kindness or trying to impress God with your activity. Either way it results in the judgement of others.

 

[IndianaRob]

Trying to gain God's favour by repentance indicates either not having seen God's kindness or trying to impress God with your activity. Either way it results in the judgement of others.

Well said!

 

[bdavidc]

Swallowing camels and straining out knats always misses the point bdavidc and gets everything back to front.
Repentance is a result of seeing the kindness of God....and the kindness of God ie, forgiveness, precedes repentance.

Trying to gain God's favour by repentance indicates either not having seen God's kindness or trying to impress God with your activity. Either way it results in the judgement of others.

You have it backwards, and Romans already said so. The goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance ~Romans 2:4. It does not say the goodness of God means the man is already forgiven while he stays impenitent. The next verse kills your claim. After thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God ~Romans 2:5. Kindness that is despised does not leave a man pardoned. It leaves him storing wrath.

You turned kindness into finished forgiveness and then called repentance a trick to gain favor. That is not the gospel. Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish ~Luke 13:3. God commandeth all men every where to repent ~Acts 17:30. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out ~Acts 3:19. Whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins ~Acts 10:43. Remission is received. It is not handed out to the man who will not repent and will not believe.

Christ died for the ungodly ~Romans 5:6. That is the provision. It is not the same thing as every ungodly man already having his sins blotted out. He that believeth not is condemned already ~John 3:18. The wrath of God abideth on him ~John 3:36. Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts, and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him ~Isaiah 55:7. Pardon follows returning. It does not cancel the need to return.

Straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel is what you are doing ~Matthew 23:24. You swallowed a lie that the ungodly are already forgiven, and now you treat faith and repentance like small print. Jesus said repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations ~Luke 24:47. That is not impressing God with activity. That is obeying what he commanded.

Point to the verse that says forgiveness is already applied to the unbelieving unrepentant man. You still have not done it, because the bible does not say it.

 

[quietthinker]

You have it backwards, and Romans already said so. The goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance ~Romans 2:4. It does not say the goodness of God means the man is already forgiven while he stays impenitent. The next verse kills your claim. After thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God ~Romans 2:5. Kindness that is despised does not leave a man pardoned. It leaves him storing wrath.

You turned kindness into finished forgiveness and then called repentance a trick to gain favor. That is not the gospel. Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish ~Luke 13:3. God commandeth all men every where to repent ~Acts 17:30. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out ~Acts 3:19. Whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins ~Acts 10:43. Remission is received. It is not handed out to the man who will not repent and will not believe.

Christ died for the ungodly ~Romans 5:6. That is the provision. It is not the same thing as every ungodly man already having his sins blotted out. He that believeth not is condemned already ~John 3:18. The wrath of God abideth on him ~John 3:36. Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts, and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him ~Isaiah 55:7. Pardon follows returning. It does not cancel the need to return.

Straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel is what you are doing ~Matthew 23:24. You swallowed a lie that the ungodly are already forgiven, and now you treat faith and repentance like small print. Jesus said repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations ~Luke 24:47. That is not impressing God with activity. That is obeying what he commanded.

Point to the verse that says forgiveness is already applied to the unbelieving unrepentant man. You still have not done it, because the bible does not say it.

Your judgement of others bdavidc and its justification is its own testimony.

 

[amigo de christo]

Your judgement of others bdavidc and its justification is its own testimony.

that man has been bringing tons of scrips . you b ring nothing b ut the victim card .
Victim cards dont work on me . B RING some scripture . That man has been flooding you with scrips .
You been handing out handkerchiefs with tears and v ictim cards .
The question is WHO do we TRULY LOVE . IT IS THE GOD , HIS CHRIST , HIS WORDS
or has it been the words o men who loved sin and found ways by using the victim card
as a means to simply SILENCE the TRUTH . not gonna bode well for those ON JESUS DAY .

 

[quietthinker]

that man has been bringing tons of scrips . you b ring nothing b ut the victim card .
Victim cards dont work on me . B RING some scripture . That man has been flooding you with scrips .
You been handing out handkerchiefs with tears and v ictim cards .
The question is WHO do we TRULY LOVE . IT IS THE GOD , HIS CHRIST , HIS WORDS
or has it been the words o men who loved sin and found ways by using the victim card
as a means to simply SILENCE the TRUTH . not gonna bode well for those ON JESUS DAY .

You have the NT scriptures; the words of Jesus and the letters and witness of the Apostles. If you do not hear them neither will you if I quote them.

 

[Laura]

Really? Where in the Bible does it state we have the authority to decide where someone’s ultimate fate is, heaven or hell?

Saying things like “I don’t know if the person should go to heaven,” at least implies usurpation of God’s role in the process And at most, reveals a god complex on part of the poster. Are you a Dolly Parton fan?

No where did the OP say "i don't know if the person should go to heaven."
That is is a misquote, at best. And a false accusation at worst.
Here is what he actually said. Try not to read it with your feels, but with a desire to be submitted to the God of the Bible.

"I will not speculate about what happened in Dolly Parton’s heart before she died. God knows that, and I do not. But we should not automatically place her in heaven because she sang gospel music, appeared to do good things, and claimed to believe in God.

Public claims about God must be tested by Scripture alone. We should not allow our feelings about the person speaking to override what that person is saying about God."

Your quote is an accusation of judgment. When what he said was, don't make assumptions about her fate.
I personally hope she made it to heaven, but the last few verses of romans 1 condemns even those who SUPPORT sin. To support sin is to encourage someone to jump off a cliff because they think they can fly and it would make them happy. Love doesn't do that, love rushes in and does everything they can to stop that risky behavior.
The original post i believe was made from a place of sincere love knowing that many in the modern church have fallen for a warm fuzzy and false version of Christianity. And I fear many are self deceived.
The Bible; the whole Bible is our standard.

 

[Wrangler]

No where did the OP say "i don't know if the person should go to heaven."

Maybe not in the OP … The entire thrust is negative, which is why I asked.

Why can’t you just be appreciative that our sister in Christ fought the good fight, lived a Christian life and ran the race to the end and pray she finds comfort now in Christ’s arms?

 

[Laura]

Maybe not in the OP … The entire thrust is negative, which is why I asked.

Following Christ, and preaching the gospel are very serious topics. Every human soul is at stake here. It's not always fluff and stuff.

And I can appreciate her, in fact I admired her for all her good works. You must have missed that part of my response, where I stated that I hope she is in heaven.
I appreciate the many good and kind people in the world. You seem to be conflating hard truths with hatred.
In fact I appreciated and loved my mother and grandmother, their faith was not one that was submitted to Christ, but they were submitted to their own desires and the opinions of mankind. As much as it hurts me and I long to see them in heaven, I don't know where they are.
As Paul said 'do we now seek to please man our God?'
But here's a question for you... show us the scriptures that back you up?
You seem to be justifying your blind support by condemning those who are merely speaking truth.
Isn't this what the Pharisees did every time they heard some hard truth that Jesus spoke? They sought to catch Him in His own words that they might have a reason to accuse Him.