Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

[WPM]

Thats what I’m wondering.

1. Are the wicked in a physical prison?
2. Are the wicked bound by metal chains?

 

[David in NJ]

notice who is First IN this thousand years . It says those who were BEHEADED etc .
Killed for the faith .

EXACTLY the POV God wants us to SEE

 

[David in NJ]

God voice says....LOOK UP!!!! Your redemption draws nigh.

CORRECT
Notice that JESUS Said this for "AFTER the tribulation"

v29-31 = "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days.........I Come"

v42 = "Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming."

 

[David in NJ]

When does this present mortal world end, please explain?

#1 - When does your mortal existence end and your NEW existence in a resurrected glorified body BEGIN?

 

[Truth7t7]

#1 - When does your mortal existence end and your NEW existence in a resurrected glorified body BEGIN?

Once Again:

When does this present mortal world end, please explain?

 

[David in NJ]

Once Again:

When does this present mortal world end, please explain?

Let's start with you and me:

When do we receive our glorified eternal bodies?

 

[rwb]

That makes no sense. You didn't answer my post....you dodged it.

It is God who always is good, creates good.....and others who use evil...which God can turn to good.

You wondered how God could call all that He created "very good" if He made the serpent to be cunning and crafty in an evil way. Asking this shows you do not understand that God uses sin and evil to bring about good. This is what happened in the garden. And according to the words spoken by Joseph, God allowed his brothers to commit great sin against him, and by their sin many from the nation of Israel were saved from the famine.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

God SAYS: "pre-trib is a lie"?
Before Israel's "Time Of JACOB's Trouble", The Body Of Christ ( us'ns who are humble "Grace Through faith" believers ),
Will Be Redeemed In:

God's Great GRACE Departure!:

God voice says....LOOK UP!!!! Your redemption draws nigh.

Amen!:

"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:"​

(Philippians 3:20 AV)​

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"And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan​

within ourselves, waiting for The Adoption, to wit, the Redemption of our body." (Romans 8:23 AV)​

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"Grace Through faith" (for the Body Of Christ) is "looking for, watching for, and patiently waiting for":

One And Only ONE Person, our Blessed Hope, The HOLY One, The LORD Jesus Christ!​

(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19; Romans 8:23; Romans 8:25; 1 Corinthians 1:7;​

Ephesians 6:12-18; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 4:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 1:10;​

1 Thessalonians 5:5-11; Titus 2:13 AV)​

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[David in NJ]

God SAYS: "pre-trib is a lie"?
Before Israel's "Time Of JACOB's Trouble", The Body Of Christ ( us'ns who are humble "Grace Through faith" believers ),
Will Be Redeemed In:

God's Great GRACE Departure!:

Amen!:

"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:"​

(Philippians 3:20 AV)​

+​

"And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan​

within ourselves, waiting for The Adoption, to wit, the Redemption of our body." (Romans 8:23 AV)​

+​

"Grace Through faith" (for the Body Of Christ) is "looking for, watching for, and patiently waiting for":

One And Only ONE Person, our Blessed Hope, The HOLY One, The LORD Jesus Christ!​

(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19; Romans 8:23; Romans 8:25; 1 Corinthians 1:7;​

Ephesians 6:12-18; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 4:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 1:10;​

1 Thessalonians 5:5-11; Titus 2:13 AV)​

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

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Do not despise The Prophesy of the LORD Jesus Christ who Prophesied Saying:
"Immediately AFTER the tribulation.........I Come and gather My Elect" - Matt 24:29 & Revelation

For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you.
And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’
Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these days. - Acts 3:22-24

 

[IndianaRob]

1. Are the wicked in a physical prison?
2. Are the wicked bound by metal chains?

What I want to see is how you've worked out Rev 20:1-3, where you've got a chain, a key, a pit, a seal, and a stated duration. If all five are figures, what's each one a figure of?

 

[WPM]

What I want to see is how you've worked out Rev 20:1-3, where you've got a chain, a key, a pit, a seal, and a stated duration. If all five are figures, what's each one a figure of?

You also have a dragon. I can assure you that Christ did not put a literal physical dragon into a literal brick prison. Remember, the devil is a spirit. You cannot contain spirits in physical prisons. This is clear figurative language.

 

[doctrox]

Well, not quite correct. The phrase “we which are alive and remain” does not mean Christians who merely survive something or escape some particular event.

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So I would say: the text does not teach, “Christ comes down, we meet Him in literal clouds, and then He takes us back to heaven.”

In either case, I claimed nothing of the sort; your screed is simply more of your straw.

And as far as "in the clouds" goes, ya gotta luv "the simplicity that is in Christ" (2 Cor. 11:3). We simply let scripture interpret scripture. Looking closer at that awesome passage (1 Thes. 4:16-17):

Believers don’t do the hackneyed “go to heaven” thing; rather, Christ sets up his kingdom here, with us. We, being "caught up" with others, meet the Lord in the air and then return back to earth with him.

For example, if your friends fly in from another country to visit you, you might travel to your local airport to meet them when their plane lands and then escort them back to your place. If they’re VIP friends, you might have a delegation meet them at your country's main airport, and then escort them back to your place. In either case, you don’t go to your airport, meet your friends, get on your friend’s plane, and then travel with your friends back to their place of origin!

So, do we have a scriptural witness to this scenario? Yes.

...we came the next day to Puteoli: Where we found brethren, and were desired to tarry with them seven days: and so we went toward Rome. And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage. And when we came to Rome... -- Acts 28:13-16

The brothers in Rome got word of their impending visitors, and so went out to meet them at Appii forum, and then escorted them back to Rome.

meet = same word in both Acts 28 and 1 Thes. 4.

Here are all four usages of the word meet:

Mat. 25:1 - Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Mat. 25:6 - And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Acts 28:15 - And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage.

1 Thes. 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

All four are consistent with “meet and greet and return to base.“

 

[David in NJ]

You also have a dragon. I can assure you that Christ did not put a little dragon into a literal prison. Remember, the devil is a spirit. You cannot contain spirits in physical prisons. This is clear figurative language.

Evil spirits are chained within a spiritual realm = where they exist!!!

 

[WPM]

Evil spirits are chained within a spiritual realm = where they exist!!!

I agree. That's what Jesus did 2000 years ago. That is the power he delegated to the Church in this new covenant.

 

[David in NJ]

I agree. That's what Jesus did 2000 years ago. That is the power he delegated to the Church in this new covenant.

JESUS Defeated Satan and his angels and all evil spirits.

HE did not chain up Satan as yet - that will occur at His Second Coming = as Promised

 

[WPM]

What I want to see is how you've worked out Rev 20:1-3, where you've got a chain, a key, a pit, a seal, and a stated duration. If all five are figures, what's each one a figure of?

You did not answer my questions:

1. Are the wicked in a physical prison?
2. Are the wicked bound by metal chains?

 

[WPM]

HE did not chain up Satan as yet - that will occur at His Second Coming = as Promised

Not true. He spiritual chained/bound the kingdom of darkness.

• With the coming of Christ to this earth came the introduction of His spiritual kingdom.
• With the introduction of His spiritual kingdom came a direct challenge to the power and influence of Satan on planet earth.
• With the direct challenge to the power and influence of Satan on planet earth came the spiritual empowerment of the people of God to confront and overcome Satan and his demonic angels.

When Christ bound Satan’s kingdom through His life, death and resurrection then all were bound. 2 Peter 2:4, Jude v 6, Revelation 9 and Revelation 20 all prove the whole demonic realm has been restrained from stopping the free-flow of the Gospel. The bruising of the head of the beast (Revelation 13:3, 13:12 and 13:14) correlates with the bruising of the head of Satan 2,000 years ago through the earthly ministry of Christ (Genesis 3:15). They correspond with the spiritual binding imprisoning of Satan during the millennial period. These are figurative metaphors describing the impairment of the kingdom of darkness 2000 years ago.

When Satan was banished from heaven, so was the whole demonic realm (1/3 of the angels went with him).

Through his defeat, Satan fell from heaven (John 12:31 & Revelation 12:7-9) and is now present in the Abyss (Revelation 9:1-11 & Revelation 20:3). The abyss is not a physical geographical place. After all, physical metal chains cannot hold spirits. It is a spiritual state of restraint for spirits now. Near the end, the beast will be released from his restraints and the “deadly wound” to his head will be “healed” (Revelation 13:3, 13:12 and 13:14). This tells us that he too was bruised like Satan’s head through the life, death and resurrection of Christ.

 

[David in NJ]

Not true. He was spiritual chained/bound the kingdom of darkness.

• With the coming of Christ to this earth came the introduction of His spiritual kingdom.
• With the introduction of His spiritual kingdom came a direct challenge to the power and influence of Satan on planet earth.
• With the direct challenge to the power and influence of Satan on planet earth came the spiritual empowerment of the people of God to confront and overcome Satan and his demonic angels.

When Christ bound Satan’s kingdom through His life, death and resurrection then all were bound. 2 Peter 2:4, Jude v 6, Revelation 9 and Revelation 20 all prove the whole demonic realm has been restrained from stopping the free-flow of the Gospel. The bruising of the head of the beast (Revelation 13:3, 13:12 and 13:14) correlates with the bruising of the head of Satan 2,000 years ago through the earthly ministry of Christ (Genesis 3:15). They correspond with the spiritual binding imprisoning of Satan during the millennial period. These are figurative metaphors describing the impairment of the kingdom of darkness 2000 years ago.

When Satan was banished from heaven, so was the whole demonic realm (1/3 of the angels went with him).

Through his defeat, Satan fell from heaven (John 12:31 & Revelation 12:7-9) and is now present in the Abyss (Revelation 9:1-11 & Revelation 20:3). The abyss is not a physical geographical place. After all, physical metal chains cannot hold spirits. It is a spiritual state of restraint for spirits now. Near the end, the beast will be released from his restraints and the “deadly wound” to his head will be “healed” (Revelation 13:3, 13:12 and 13:14). This tells us that he too was bruised like Satan’s head through the life, death and resurrection of Christ.

Exactly when was satan bound?

 

[ewq1938]

Exactly when was satan bound?

And imprisoned...Amill almost never talks about that part because it isn't as easy to explain away. An angel comes from heaven to Earth with a key to a lock, binds and locks satan into a prison.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Your claim is "False"

You claim that the resurrection of believers seen in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 takes place and then a group left behind goes into a future 7 year tribulation on this earth?

"Fact" When Jesus returns the resurrection of "All" takes place, this is on (The Last Day) The End

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End)

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Whateva 7t7, you're the expert & the others know nothing