God Commands Righteous Violence

[Matthias]

Vlad … Islamic invaders … Thoughts?

“Every Muslim is a soul cherished by God. And God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to the knowledge of the truth, which is in Christ Jesus. But many churches and Christians don’t know how to even begin; …”

(Conrad Klassen)

 

[Matthias]

Vlad … Thoughts?

A follower of Jesus should wish Jesus, the Savior, not Vlad, the Impaler, on his or her enemy.

 

[Matthias]

Vlad … In his home country, he is taught in schools as a hero and defender of the faith … Thoughts?

I presume that you know Vlad’s home country is modern-day Romania.

“Few names are better known in Romania, where he is widely remembered as a Christian leader, author, and educator.”

Vlad? No. Richard Wurmbrand.

“We must love our neighbors as ourselves. Communists and other persecutors are our neighbors as much as anyone else. … loving them - which is something entirely different from liking them - and praying for them.”

(Tortured for Christ, p. 148)

The tale of two Romanians. You’ve chosen the wrong one to hold up as a Christian hero / role model.

 

[Matthias]

“Richard’s central message was, ‘Hate the evil systems, but love your persecutors. Love their souls, and try to win them for Christ.”

(About the Author, Tortured for Christ, p. 181)

That wasn’t Vlad’s central message. That was Christ’s central message in Wurmbrand.

 

[Wrangler]

I'm so glad that good men with guns do bad things to bad men with guns, thereby keeping the world relatively, safe, at peace with justice more apparent than ever before in human history.

I previously spoke of the miracle that was the Oct 7 attack against Israel. Turns out, there was another 5-nation conspiracy to simultaneously attack Israel but Hamas jumped the gun, allowing the people of God to take out their enemies one at a time. Praise God!

 

[Matthias]

I'm so glad that good men with guns do bad things to bad men with guns, thereby keeping the world relatively, safe, at peace with justice more apparent than ever before in human history.

I previously spoke of the miracle that was the Oct 7 attack against Israel. Turns out, there was another 5-nation conspiracy to simultaneously attack Israel but Hamas jumped the gun, allowing the people of God to take out their enemies one at a time. Praise God!

Romans 13:4.

A government which rejects Jesus defending its citizens.

 

[Matthias]

What does God think about “good men” who reject the Son of God? (Which is a very bad thing.)

 

[Matthias]

Did the Christians fight against the Romans during the Jewish wars?

AI Overview -

“No, the early Christians did not fight against the Romans during the Jewish-Roman wars. Instead, they stayed neutral or fled the conflict, which separated them further from mainstream Judaism.

Christian Response and Neutrality

• Flight from Judea: Early Christian writings record that believers left Jerusalem and moved to Pella in Perea before the Roman siege in 70 CE.

• Pacifist Stance: Early Christian teachings emphasized non-violence and submission to governing authorities rather than armed rebellion.

• No Military Record: Historical records from the period show no evidence of Christians joining the Jewish rebel military forces.

Impact on Relations

• Deepening Rift: Refusing to join the national revolt caused Jewish-rebel groups to view Christians with high suspicion and hostility.

• Final Split: The aftermath of the wars accelerated the permanent division between traditional Judaism and the growing Christian church.”

What does @Wrangler have to say about that?

“You aren’t following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.”

The Christians weren’t armed, ready to kill. They fought neither for nor against the Romans, and neither for nor against the Jews.

They fled. Not an unreasonable decision, and certainly not an act of cowardice.

“Render under to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.”

The Christians did, but obviously not in the way which Wrangler posits (i.e. using the sword in service for Caesar.)

 

[Matthias]

Peabody’s Improbable History

The dial is set for 70 AD; the location is Jerusalem.

@Wrangler, courtesy of Mr. Peabody and his boy Sherman, is transported there in the WABAC machine.

Wrangler, naturally, is armed, ready to kill.

Sword in hand and blood in his eyes, Wrangler rushes headlong into the battle. Is he slaughtering pagan Romans or is he slaughtering rebellious Jews? Is he slaughtering both pagan Romans and rebellious Jews?

Is God with the pagan Romans or is God with the rebellious Jews?

Is Wrangler fighting for or against the will of Caesar?

Is Wrangler fighting for or against the will of God?

* For added interest, we could include Vlad the Impaler on the trip. *

 

[Matthias]

I'm so glad that good men with guns do bad things to bad men with guns, thereby keeping the world relatively, safe, at peace with justice more apparent than ever before in human history.

“God will punish everyone who does bad things. He will do that first to the Jews, and he will do it also to the Gentiles. There will be much trouble and pain for every person who does bad things.”

(Romans 2:9, EASY)

 

[Lambano]

* For added interest, we could include Vlad the Impaler on the trip. *

* And Arnaud Amalric. Kindred spirits. *

 

[Matthias]

… the only reason good exists in this world is good men are willing to do bad things to bad men.

You mentioned some time ago in another thread that your two favorite Christian authors are C.H. Spurgeon and C.S. Lewis.

Please consider these words from Lewis -

“When we Christians behave badly, or fail to behave well, we are making Christianity unbelievable to the outside world.”

How does that fit with your “good men willing to do bad things” philosophy?

What impact do his words have on you?

 

[Matthias]

… kill your enemy.”

JBN News (Jesus Broadcasting Network)

 

[Matthias]

Thoughts?

“Ours is to persist in loving, even if men persist in enmity.” - C.H. Spurgeon

 

[Matthias]

Thoughts?

From my X / Twitter “For you” feed this afternoon -

“6 Things Every Christian Man Should Fight For:

1. Purity in his mind and heart (Matt. 5:28)
2. Faithfulness to his wife (Eph. 5:25)
3. Discipleship of his children (Eph. 6:4)
4. Integrity in his work (Col. 3:23)
5. Service in his church (1 Pet. 4:10)
6. Holiness before God (1 Pet. 1:15-16)

Biblical masculinity requires strength, but strength under the lordship of Christ.”

Scott Roberts (@ScottRoberts) on X

6 Things Every Christian Man Should Fight For: 1. Purity in his mind and heart (Matt. 5:28) 2. Faithfulness to his wife (Eph. 5:25) 3. Discipleship of his children (Eph. 6:4) 4. Integrity in his work (Col. 3:23) 5. Service in his church (1 Pet. 4:10) 6. Holiness before God (1

x.com

 

[Wrangler]

I came across this verse in my daily reading today that is spot on and shows the heart of our Lord in using violence to establish justice. Luke 19:27
And these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to rule over them—bring them here and execute them in my presence.”

I look forward to all the pacifists rationalizing this verse away, a parable with no practical application, etc.

 

[Matthias]

I came across this verse in my daily reading today that is spot on and shows the heart of our Lord in using violence to establish justice. Luke 19:27
And these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to rule over them—bring them here and execute them in my presence.”

I look forward to all the pacifists rationalizing this verse away, a parable with no practical application, etc.

You aren’t looking forward to hearing what I have to say. I say this:

Jesus is going to destroy his enemies when he returns.

It’s foolish for anyone to disobey his commandment and then think they’re not going to find themselves being slain in his presence.

 

[Jay Ross]

I came across this verse in my daily reading today that is spot on and shows the heart of our Lord in using violence to establish justice. Luke 19:27
And these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to rule over them—bring them here and execute them in my presence.”

I look forward to all the pacifists rationalizing this verse away, a parable with no practical application, etc.

Did you also read Revelation 12 which presents the same picture of Satan when he is released from the Bottomless Pit after his imprisonment for 1,000 years, who first attempts to kill/executes his Jewish/Israelite servants?

In the same parable Jesus tells us that when Satan supposedly goes away to get himself a kingdom, that some of his servants send a delegation after him stating that they no longer want to be ruled by the entity, Satan, who is described as being well born, i.e. of high rank, but who is also described as rebelling against God, Almighty, and who led a third of the angels to also rebel against God as well.

Sadly, many "Christians" believe that the parables of the Minas and Talents is a parable about Jesus, but the reality is that both parables are about the rule of Satan and his desire to become a god.

Shalom

 

[Wrangler]

Sadly, many "Christians" believe that the parables of the Minas and Talents is a parable about Jesus, but the reality is that both parables are about the rule of Satan and his desire to become a god.

Maybe it is you who sadly deny the parables of the Minas and Talents is about divine justice?

 

[NayborBear]

These pacifists take their cowardice one step further; they wrap it in moral superiority.

(sorry....from page 7 when I just HAVE to say something)

Let's just "cut to the chase" eh?
These pacifists are:

"IDOL WORSHIPERS"