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Wick Stick

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Covenant theology views the church as the one people of God, with Israel's promises fulfilled in Christ.

Is that what you believe?
No. I call that Replacement Theology (derogatory).

Covenant theology, so far as I know, understands the Bible in terms of covenants:

1) Adamic covenant (I don't actually believe in this one)
2) Noahide covenant
3) Abrahamic covenant
4) Mosaic covenant
5) Davidic covenant
6) New covenant

Not everybody agrees about everything.

My view is that the New Covenant is an expansion of the Abrahamic covenant, bringing Gentiles into the covenant. They don't replace Israel. They become part of Israel.

As regards Moses covenant, my view (which is probably a bit unorthodox) is that it was intended to be punitive, and the punishments were meant to be temporary. It was always the design that Israel would return to the Abrahamic covenant.
 

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The Church/Body of Christ is made up of all nations whom the FATHER Calls to CHRIST

The Abrahmic Promise of the Gospel to all nations is fulfilled in CHRIST = John 3:16 & Matthew 11:17

And JESUS was teaching and was saying to them, “Has it not been written:
‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all the nations’?
But you⁺ have made it ‘a den of robbers.’”

That is not referring to the Church, but another dispensation.

For we have no burnt offerings in the Church age.

Isaiah 56:7

These I will bring to my holy mountain
and give them joy in my house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar;
for my house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations.”

And...

Mark 11:17

And He began to teach and say to them,
“Is it not written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all the nations’?
But you have made it a den of robbers.”

Again, that was said by Jesus concerning the Temple standing at that time in Jerusalem.

Jews at that time lived in all nations and would travel to Jerusalem to pray in that temple.

Remember what happened at Pentecost?
Jews from all nations heard at Pentecost the speaking of tongues in their native language.



Acts 2:4-8​
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with different tongues,
as the Spirit was giving them the ability to speak out.
Now there were Jews residing in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven.
And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together and they were bewildered, because
each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language. They were amazed and astonished,
saying, “Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans? And how is it that we each hear them in
our own language to which we were born?

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GeneZ

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No. I call that Replacement Theology (derogatory).

Covenant theology, so far as I know, understands the Bible in terms of covenants:

1) Adamic covenant (I don't actually believe in this one)
2) Noahide covenant
3) Abrahamic covenant
4) Mosaic covenant
5) Davidic covenant
6) New covenant

Not everybody agrees about everything.

My view is that the New Covenant is an expansion of the Abrahamic covenant, bringing Gentiles into the covenant. They don't replace Israel. They become part of Israel.

As regards Moses covenant, my view (which is probably a bit unorthodox) is that it was intended to be punitive, and the punishments were meant to be temporary. It was always the design that Israel would return to the Abrahamic covenant.

As far as I can now see?
Each covenant comes sewn to a dispensation, which defines the dispensation.
 

GeneZ

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It's Ab haGoyim (אב המון)

The promise is fulfilled in the adoption. Those who believe like Abraham, become Abraham's children.

Yes...
Like father, like son.

Isaac, his child, and he was not the church.
Isaac was saved simply by faith in the Lord.
He will have a different eternal life than the Bride of Christ.

Abraham was a gentile saved by faith in God.
It was through Abraham's seed that God promised the Messiah would come.
 
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