Contradiction or wrongly dividing ? !!!

[Grailhunter]

You're reckoning Abraham's descendants as being national Israel only. Well, that's wrong.

You want to call it a world promise, that is nowhere in the scriptures. And that did not take a promise, the population of the world was in deed going to grow.

 

[Wick Stick]

At no time have the Jews made up more than 2.1% of the worlds population. As it is today about .2%. When the New Testament spoke of the Abrahamic promises they probably were not thinking of Moslems.

We were talking about Abraham's children... not just Jews.

 

[Wick Stick]

Modern Noahide Movement​

In recent decades, a modern Noahide movement has emerged, primarily led by Orthodox Jewish rabbis. This movement aims to educate and encourage non-Jews to observe the Seven Laws, fostering a global community of Noahides who live by these principles without converting to Judaism.


What does the Noahide covenant entail for the believer that Christianity does not already cover and supersede?
Might as well go back under the law again.

Christianity endorses everything that's in the Noahide covenant. Well, the church in Acts 15 did, anyway. When faced with the question of whether Gentile converts must go under the Law, the ruling was that they did not, but that they did need to uphold the Noahide rules.

That covenant had come to its end.

Covenants can only be ended by death. In this case, one of the parties is God, so... no end in sight.

To participate does not validate. It's only to imitate and perform a reenactment of what once was.

It's to uphold righteousness.

 

[Wick Stick]

The word promise does not occur in the Old Testament....
For He remembered His holy word With Abraham His servant; NASB
But it is a prime example of translators putting things they want to be there in their translations.
Another example; Yahweh never threatened Hell as a punishment for the Jews. To this day the Jews do not believe in a devil or Hell.
But some translations have the words Hell or Hades in the Old Testament. The word Hell was first coined in the 8th century AD and was Anglo-Saxon and Hades is Greek god that reigned over an underworld of the same name. A Greek word in a Hebrew text.
The actual scripture below....

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You are arguing with the translator?

"Promise" is within the range of outputs for this Hebrew word. Read the lexicon.

 

[Grailhunter]

You are arguing with the translator?

"Promise" is within the range of outputs for this Hebrew word. Read the lexicon.

I gave you the actual scripture.
The Hebrew word for "promise" is הַבְטָחָה (havtachah), meaning assurance, pledge, or commitment.
The word used in Psalm 105:42 is də·ḇar

Meaning of də·ḇar in Biblical Hebrew​

In Biblical Hebrew, də·ḇar (דֶּבָר) means “word,” “speech,” “matter,” “thing,” or “decree,” and it refers to both spoken utterance and the reality or event that speech brings about

 

[Wick Stick]

I gave you the actual scripture.
The Hebrew word for "promise" is הַבְטָחָה (havtachah), meaning assurance, pledge, or commitment.
The word used in Psalm 105:42 is də·ḇar

Meaning of də·ḇar in Biblical Hebrew​

In Biblical Hebrew, də·ḇar (דֶּבָר) means “word,” “speech,” “matter,” “thing,” or “decree,” and it refers to both spoken utterance and the reality or event that speech brings about

Changing the font size and using bold won't help.

Do you suppose that only one Hebrew word can be translated 'promise?' That's silly.

Anyway, what point are you driving towards? You've already correctly said that "promise" occurs in the New Testament in relation to Abraham. Are you trying to pit one testament against the other? If so, why?

 

[Grailhunter]

Changing the font size and using bold won't help.

Do you suppose that only one Hebrew word can be translated 'promise?' That's silly.

Anyway, what point are you driving towards? You've already correctly said that "promise" occurs in the New Testament in relation to Abraham. Are you trying to pit one testament against the other? If so, why?

The main point is just a matter of fact. The Hebrew word for promise does not occur in the Old Testament.
And a lot of what Yahweh told Abraham did not happen.
Now those in the New Testament thought they were promises.....which is an open ended belief......They could still occur 10 billion years in the future.

 

[amigo de christo]

Since you are quoting from Matthew.
Do you believe Matt 25:41-46 - works REQUIRED contradicts Titus 3:5-7, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1 - works NOT required.

NO . in fact none of it contradicts ANY OF IT .
Now its time we stop heed men and REAL FAST TOO .
they lead this generation to their own damanation .
And wanna know how satan and his co workers are doing this .
HOW do you convince ALL them religoins they serve the same GOD
and convince the christiains as well .
THREE WORDS PETER . satan and his men and women used THREE WORDS for years and used them often .
ANY GUESSES .
GOD IS LOVE . only they twisted this love more and more into an image
that not only accepted certain sins , HELL IT ACCEPTS ALL RELGIONS TOO .
SATAN KNOWS HOW TO LIE and TO DECIEVE and HE darn sure can say GOD IS LOVE while doing it
and yet he was always only
using a twisted verssion of a judge not correct not love
and it kept on twisting the image of THE GOD into a god that eventually ALL would believe as THE GOD .
SATAN IS A LIAR PETER . and i am gonna expose his ecumeincal harlot , her anti christ intefaith
and her all inclusive love god for the satan he is .
YOU ALL can do as you please . But as for me and the sheep , WE GONNA BELEIVE JESUS .

 

[GeneZ]

We were talking about Abraham's children... not just Jews.

Isaac is referred to by the Lord as being Abraham's only son.
His older brother Ishmael was not seen by God as a son.

Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. ​

Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.” Genesis 22:2​

God's perspective is what counts.

 

[David in NJ]

So who made yours?

This is crazy stuff.

Who made my what???

Please be specific - thank you

God's words are crazy???

 

[Wick Stick]

Isaac is referred to by the Lord as being Abraham's only son.
His older brother Ishmael was not seen by God as a son.

Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. ​

Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.” Genesis 22:2​

God's perspective is what counts.

There was a lot of adoption that happened after that.

 

[Grailhunter]

There was a lot of adoption that happened after that.

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=10c2...aGFtcytzZWNvbmQrd2lmZSZmb3JtPUNTQlJBTkQ&ntb=1

Not sure what you mean about adoptions....
But do not forget about Abraham’s second wife Keturah, whom he married after the death of his first wife, Sarah. Keturah bore him six sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah.
Now tracing the genealogy of Ishmael and his other sons is difficult. Some may have been part of the Pagan Arab tribes that Mohammad converted to Islam around 600 AD. A long ways from Abraham.
I wonder? Did Yahweh intend to start the Islam religion or was it Satan with intention to oppose Christ?

 

[GeneZ]

Who made my what???

Please be specific - thank you

Who constructed your man-made theology?

 

[David in NJ]

Who constructed your man-made theology?

i do not follow men

Please be specific as to your concern.

 

[Wick Stick]

Not sure what you mean about adoptions....

Yes, that seems to be the hole that needs filled