Who’s words are these?

[rwb]

Monotheism doesn’t deny Christ who has already come to give eternal life to whosoever believes on him.

But to argue for a monotheistic God of apostate Jews as you do, is a denial that Jesus Christ, the Son of God is GOD Who has come to mankind in the flesh also denies the Spirit of God in us is of God. God alone gives eternal life through His Spirit to all who believe in His Son. Without the three who could be eternally saved? You clearly understand this truth but still you continue to argue for the monotheistic God of apostate Jews who argue for ONE God and deny He is Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Matthias]

I believe that God is ONE consisting of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You cannot separate them as you're trying to do. For man to become one with God, they must be born again. Without all three none could be born again. If man is not born again, we would never be one with God to live with Him forever. That is the desire of every man that has been born again through the Spirit OF God in us. God the Father, sent His Spirit into the woman to give life to God the Son. God the Son also now sends His Spirit, the same Spirit that gave life to Him, to give eternal life to whosoever believes on Him.

Are you monotheistic or not monotheistic?

 

[rwb]

Are you monotheistic or not monotheistic?

I just answered this question! Do you believe one man is composed of flesh and spirit called living soul?

 

[Matthias]

I just answered this question!

I asked you for clarification on your answer. It isn’t clear to me if you consider yourself monotheistic or not.

I’m monotheistic. Are you?

 

[rwb]

I asked you for clarification on your answer. It isn’t clear to me if you consider yourself monotheistic or not.

I’m monotheistic. Are you?

Answer my question! Do you believe one man is composed of flesh and spirit called living soul?

 

[David in NJ]

Are you just blowing smoke now because you have no way of proving your assertion from the scripture? Go back and read your own assertion: if you do not even know that you made an assertion, (which is not taught anywhere in the scripture as far as I can tell), then there is no sense in continuing with this line of discussion.

You leave me with no choice but to count you as a liar and a fraud. Your claim that having the Holy Spirit makes you right about your false assertion only proves one thing: the actual source of your assertion via your own version of the Holy Spirit.

#1 - If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
#2 - And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another #3 Advocate to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth.
The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.
But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.

You are calling The LORD Jesus Christ a false teacher when you deny the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT are Echad Elohim

And while they were gathered together, He commanded them: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the Promise of the Father, which you have heard from ME.
For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.


#1 The FATHER
Called me to
#2 HIS SON - The LORD JESUS CHRIST
The LORD prayed on my behalf to the FATHER
that i, by faith, should Receive the Baptism of
#3 The HOLY SPIRIT

SHALOM in THREE = ECHAD ELOHIM

 

[Matthias]

”1. The one God. (a) theos is the most frequent designation of God in the NT. Belief in the one, only, and unique God (Matt. 23:9; Rom. 3:30; 1 Cor. 8:4-6; Gal. 3:20; 1 Tim. 2:5; Jas. 2:19) is an established part of Christian tradition. Jesus himself made the fundamental confession of Jud. his own and expressly quoted the Shema (Deut. 6:4-5; see Mk. 12:29-30; cf. Matt. 22:37; Lk. 10:27). This guaranteed continuity between the old and the new covenants. The God whom Christians worship is the God of the fathers (Acts 3:13; 5:30; 22:14), the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Acts 3:13; 7:32; cf. Matt. 22:32; Mk. 12:26; Lk. 20:37), the God of Israel (Matt. 15:31; Lk. 1:68; Acts 13:17), and the God of Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 1:3; Eph. 1:3; 1 Pet. 1:3).”

(New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Abridged Edition, p. 244)

That’s the one God of Jewish monotheism. That’s the one God of primitive Christianity. That’s the one God, the echad elohim, whose words Jesus speaks.

 

[dak]

#1 - If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
#2 - And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another #3 Advocate to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth.
The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.
But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.

You are calling The LORD Jesus Christ

And while they were gathered together, He commanded them: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the Promise of the Father, which you have heard from ME.
For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.


#1 The FATHER
Called me to
#2 HIS SON - The LORD JESUS CHRIST
The LORD prayed on my behalf to the FATHER
that i, by faith, should Receive the Baptism of
#3 The HOLY SPIRIT

SHALOM in THREE = ECHAD ELOHIM

For anyone who may be wondering what this foolishness is about.......
Here is the assertion which the other poster made:

The question and searching that every one who desires TRUTH must ask/seek from YHWH is this:

What Number is the Plurality of Elohim???

And this was my response to the falsehood he employed apparently just to find a way to insert his supposed biblical numerology into the discussion:

The question and searching that every one who desires TRUTH must ask/seek from YHWH is this:

What Number is the Plurality of Elohim???

Who are you to speak for HE WHO IS AND WHO WAS AND WHO SHALL BE?

Prove your assertion.

Nowhere is his assertion found spoken, written, or taught anywhere in the scripture: it comes from the machinations of his own vain imagination, steeped in numerology which he has foisted upon the scripture so as to extract his version of the Trinity from the words and Word of the Almighty, whom he arrogantly imagines himself to speak for, all because he claims born again status and accounts himself as having the Holy Spirit.

Is there anyone here who believes his assertion was taught to him by the Holy Spirit? Here it is again with some highlighting for emphasis:

"The question and searching that every one who desires TRUTH must ask/seek from YHWH is this: What Number is the Plurality of Elohim???"

Can anyone else here show me where this is commanded, written, or taught anywhere in the scripture?

 

[David in NJ]

For anyone who may be wondering what this foolishness is about.......
Here is the assertion which the other poster made:



And this was my response to the falsehood he employed apparently just to find a way to insert his supposed biblical numerology into the discussion:



Nowhere is his assertion found spoken, written, or taught anywhere in the scripture: it comes from the machinations of his own vain imagination, steeped in numerology which he has foisted upon the scripture so as to extract his version of the Trinity from the words and Word of the Almighty, whom he arrogantly imagines himself to speak for, all because he claims born again status and accounts himself as having the Holy Spirit.

Is there anyone here who believes his assertion was taught to him by the Holy Spirit? Here it is again with some highlighting for emphasis:

"The question and searching that every one who desires TRUTH must ask/seek from YHWH is this: What Number is the Plurality of Elohim???"

Can anyone else here show me where this is commanded, written, or taught anywhere in the scripture?

Post 186 UPdated
Be careful with what you speak, for you will give an account for every word spoken = Matthew 12:36

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.


Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

 

[Matthias]

Post 186 UPdated
Be careful with what you speak, for you will give an account for every word spoken = Matthew 12:36

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.


Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

The sugar -> Well said.

The medicine -> He spoke the truth to you.

Shalom in one = echad elohim

 

[David in NJ]

The sugar -> Well said.

The medicine -> He spoke the truth to you.

Shalom in one = echad elohim

Genesis 1:26 - "ELohim Said, let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness"

The Truth of God was spoken and is found in the WORD that was God in the Beginning and in my posts.

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

The Apostle John was a monotheist - UNTIL - the HOLY SPIRIT Opened the Scriptures to him.
Thus the Hebrew Apostle opened his Gospel with Echad ELOHIM (3) from Genesis chapter 1

The monotheistic Jews condemned their MESSIAH & SAVIOR = the Only Begotten of the FATHER = Matthew 21:33-46

Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it, and built a tower. Then he rented it out to some tenants and went away on a journey.

34When the harvest time drew near, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his share of the fruit. 35But the tenants seized his servants. They beat one, killed another, and stoned a third.

36Again, he sent other servants, more than the first group. But the tenants did the same to them.

37Finally, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38But when the tenants saw the son, they said to one another, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and take his inheritance.’
39So they seized him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard returns, what will he do to those tenants?”

41“He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and will rent out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him his share of the fruit at harvest time.”

42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

‘The stone the builders rejected

has become the cornerstone.

This is from the Lord,

and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

43Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.l”

45When the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they knew that Jesus was speaking about them. 46Although they wanted to arrest Him, they were afraid of the crowds, because the people regarded Him as a prophet.

 

[Matthias]

Genesis 1:26 - "ELohim Said, let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness"

The Truth of God was spoken and is found in the WORD that was God in the Beginning and in my posts.

Your posts are a mixture of truth and error.

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

The Apostle John was a monotheist - UNTIL - the HOLY SPIRIT Opened the Scriptures to him.
Thus the Hebrew Apostle opened his Gospel with Echad ELOHIM (3) from Genesis chapter 1

The monotheistic Jews condemned their MESSIAH & SAVIOR = the Only Begotten of the FATHER = Matthew 21:33-46

Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it, and built a tower. Then he rented it out to some tenants and went away on a journey.

34When the harvest time drew near, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his share of the fruit. 35But the tenants seized his servants. They beat one, killed another, and stoned a third.

36Again, he sent other servants, more than the first group. But the tenants did the same to them.

37Finally, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38But when the tenants saw the son, they said to one another, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and take his inheritance.’
39So they seized him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard returns, what will he do to those tenants?”

41“He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and will rent out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him his share of the fruit at harvest time.”

42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

‘The stone the builders rejected

has become the cornerstone.

This is from the Lord,

and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

43Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.l”

45When the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they knew that Jesus was speaking about them. 46Although they wanted to arrest Him, they were afraid of the crowds, because the people regarded Him as a prophet.

There are monotheistic Jews who condemned him (the majority) and monotheistic Jews who commended him (the minority.) He himself is a monotheistic Jew.

 

[Matthias]

Example: “The Apostle John was a monotheist until…” = dead giveaway.

Truth: The Apostle John was, is, and always will be a monotheist.

 

[David in NJ]

Your posts are a mixture of truth and error.

Simple = Post what you believe to be error.

 

[Matthias]

Simple = Post what you believe to be error.

I posted an example. See post #193.

 

[David in NJ]

I posted an example. See post #193.

Your post is in error.

You are contradicting the Hebrew Apostle John = in his Gospel Opening Declaration

Monotheistic Jews would stone John for such a Declaration = "The Word was God"

 

[Matthias]

Your post is in error.

You are contradicting the Hebrew Apostle John = in his Gospel Opening Declaration

Monotheistic Jews would stone John for such a Declaration = "The Word was God"

You: Christianity is not a monotheistic religion.

Me: Christianity is a monotheistic religion.

My advice: Ask other Christians whether or not they believe Christianity is a monotheistic religion.

 

[Matthias]

Did Jesus teach strict Jewish monotheism?

AI Overview -

“Yes, historical and biblical scholars agree that the historical Jesus lived and taught as a strict Jewish monotheist who worshipped the one God of Israel. …”

Not true, says my adversary. Readers must decide for themselves.