Spiritual Declension in the Church and in the World

[Nathaniel]

I think it was Warren Buffet who was once asked, how does one go bankrupt? His answer, "Slowly, and then all at once."

 

[PeterAndroz]

Even now are many antichrists deceiving many. But there will be tribulation when the last major one begins to rule....that will involve the strong delusion I believe.

""Even now are many antichrists deceiving many""
YES, yet the 2 Thess 2:8 one has not yet been revealed.
""But there will be tribulation when the last major one begins to rule""
"".that will involve the strong delusion I believe."""
Yes, AFTER 2 Thess 2:8

 

[PeterAndroz]

“3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: ”
2 Thessalonians 2:3-8 KJV

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I don't pin entire theological positions on just one verse. The entire chapter is significant, and if you aren't reading verse one in context of the rest of the chapter, you will miss what Paul was talking about. I see no mention of the tribulation.

Thx BL & thumbs up for using the KJV
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""and that man of sin be revealed,""
Pre-trib debunked if that happens B4 the rapture.

 

[quietthinker]

I would point out that there are also those who suffer PTSD because of the sins of others. But yes, there is suffering in this world as well, which serves as a type/shadow and warning of what can come to those who reject Christ. For His suffering people, judgment is beginning with His house, that we not be judged with the world when that day comes.

But what does this below mean to you? I hope nobody "wants" to see anyone suffer, however in spite of our (and God) not "wanting" it, God's word does indicate that it is going to happen:


2Th 1:7-10

And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


Rom 9:21-23

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

What if God, willing to shew (reveal) his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

And that he might make known (reveal) the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Seems to be two sides to His character....one is mercy the other is wrath.

Lizbeth, It depends through which paradigm one understands these texts. If one understands them independently of the God revealed in Jesus one will draw the conclusion that proactive punishment is in the tubes for certain ones...even the worst form of punishment.
If it is understood through the paradigm of the good news, the one Jesus modelled and summarised in his attitude towards his executionsers, 'Father forgive them, they know not what they do', then we get a totally different view.

It behooves us to understand what the word 'wrath' in the context it is used means.
Roman 1 defines God's wrath as a consequence..... like PTSD is a consequence not an arbitrary infliction.

 

[Brakelite]

and that man of sin be revealed,""
Pre-trib debunked if that happens B4 the rapture.

Let us not allow this thread to devolve into an the argument over pre-trib, rapture, etc etc.
This thread is about how the church in general is reacting to and responding to the prevalence of sin and open licentiousness at every level of society, including the church itself. You said...

""So deceptive, that if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived.""
2 Thess 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
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All those things to occur in the TRIBULATION but not 'today'

I would point out to you that the church has been greatly deceived for nearly 2000 years. The small remnant that rejected the popular theology of the time went into the wilderness, and from there sent missionaries and witnesses into the nations dominated by the apostasy. There, when caught, they were persecuted and executed for the sake of Christ. That was a time of tribulation. Not the last days tribulation of course, but tribulation nevertheless for those true Christians who were rounded up and burnt at the stake for practising their faith contrary to the dominant culture.
Today, I perceive a repeat of this. And it possesses the same philosophy as attended the church of the dark ages, a union of church and state whereby the state is used as the vessel for promoting and enforcing church doctrine in order to combat the "non Christian" ungodly "infidels" that dare to legislate law according to their own lifestyle. Where is God in all of this? He is cast aside, rejected as being powerless to create the kingdom of heaven on earth without government help. (Maybe because God has no intention of building an earthly kingdom?) The church is tanking, embracing apostasy rather than getting down on their knees and accepting responsibility themselves for the sins of their generation.
It is written that judgment begins in the house of God. The church. Why is this so? Could it be that God leaves the church alone once it sets itself on a foreign path to give it opportunity to repent? If God has left the building, and the world around sinks into chaos, then why appeal to Caesar for salvation? Trump? The UN? The WCC? MAGA?
“And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. ”
1 Samuel 8:7 KJV

 

[Brakelite]

The apostasy of the last days is merely a global continuation of the localised apostasy of earlier centuries. The great deception of the last days is in the global acceptance of man made doctrines that the church embraces. The great delusion lies in believing that God is actually with them. The God that many profess to know and love is actually Satan.
“1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? ”
Revelation 13:1-4 KJV

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“3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. ”
Revelation 12:3-4, 7-9 KJV

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[PeterAndroz]

Let us not allow this thread to devolve into an the argument over pre-trib, rapture, etc etc.
This thread is about how the church in general is reacting to and responding to the prevalence of sin and open licentiousness at every level of society, including the church itself. You said...

I would point out to you that the church has been greatly deceived for nearly 2000 years. The small remnant that rejected the popular theology of the time went into the wilderness, and from there sent missionaries and witnesses into the nations dominated by the apostasy. There, when caught, they were persecuted and executed for the sake of Christ. That was a time of tribulation. Not the last days tribulation of course, but tribulation nevertheless for those true Christians who were rounded up and burnt at the stake for practising their faith contrary to the dominant culture.
Today, I perceive a repeat of this. And it possesses the same philosophy as attended the church of the dark ages, a union of church and state whereby the state is used as the vessel for promoting and enforcing church doctrine in order to combat the "non Christian" ungodly "infidels" that dare to legislate law according to their own lifestyle. Where is God in all of this? He is cast aside, rejected as being powerless to create the kingdom of heaven on earth without government help. (Maybe because God has no intention of building an earthly kingdom?) The church is tanking, embracing apostasy rather than getting down on their knees and accepting responsibility themselves for the sins of their generation.
It is written that judgment begins in the house of God. The church. Why is this so? Could it be that God leaves the church alone once it sets itself on a foreign path to give it opportunity to repent? If God has left the building, and the world around sinks into chaos, then why appeal to Caesar for salvation? Trump? The UN? The WCC? MAGA?
“And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. ”
1 Samuel 8:7 KJV

""Let us not allow this thread to devolve into an the argument over pre-trib, rapture, etc etc.""
""I would point out to you that the church has been greatly deceived for nearly 2000 years""
C/- false/incorrect teaching eg rapture timing etc

 

[Brakelite]

""Let us not allow this thread to devolve into an the argument over pre-trib, rapture, etc etc.""
""I would point out to you that the church has been greatly deceived for nearly 2000 years""
C/- false/incorrect teaching eg rapture timing etc

Well, as far as the rapture is concerned, until recently there was no such thing as a rapture being taught. Until the 19th century, everyone was in agreement that what the church awaited was the resurrection. I'll run with that. Rapture theory and its timing isn't a hill worth fighting for. There are far greater mountains to climb and issues to be discussed.

 

[Lizbeth]

Lizbeth, It depends through which paradigm one understands these texts. If one understands them independently of the God revealed in Jesus one will draw the conclusion that proactive punishment is in the tubes for certain ones...even the worst form of punishment.
If it is understood through the paradigm of the good news, the one Jesus modelled and summarised in his attitude towards his executionsers, 'Father forgive them, they know not what they do', then we get a totally different view.

It behooves us to understand what the word 'wrath' in the context it is used means.
Roman 1 defines God's wrath as a consequence..... like PTSD is a consequence not an arbitrary infliction.

Right. So the consequence of sin is death, if you wish, though I believe with all my heart that we ought to give the Lord our GOD the glory and fear that is due Him. We have the story Jesus told about the rich man living selfishly, and Lazarus, and how the rich man was in torment after he died, and poor Lazarus after he died went to be where righteous Abraham was, in paradise.

And there is still the outstanding issue of God's wrath to be revealed in the end, as His mercy was revealed with Christ's first coming.

Rev 6:12-17

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

This passage makes me think of multiple asteroids hitting the earth, causing massive earthquakes and the planet breaking up and even being knocked out of its orbit......"reeling to and fro like a cottage" in an earthquake or whirlwind......absolutely horrific and terrifying, resulting in all life being obliterated.

 

[Lizbeth]

Well, as far as the rapture is concerned, until recently there was no such thing as a rapture being taught. Until the 19th century, everyone was in agreement that what the church awaited was the resurrection. I'll run with that. Rapture theory and its timing isn't a hill worth fighting for. There are far greater mountains to climb and issues to be discussed.

The dead in Christ will be resurrected........but there is still the matter of "we who are alive and remain" at that time. The Lord will not visit His wrath upon the righteous who know Him.

 

[amigo de christo]

The falling away of the Church, is far far far slower than men expect.

yet nigh the end its moves very quickly .
HERE is what leads to total apostacy ,
LEAVEN DOES .
And here is what allows leaven to enter in and to remain . The seeker friendly judge not did .
And when leaven is not corrected , IT GROWS and BOY DOES IT GROW .
And boy DID IT .
Have you seen what this people calls love and considers is loving .
Have you seen .
The TRUE image of GOD was replaced little by little by removing His own words
and replacing them with a false sensual love that did not correct , that did not expose the sins of the people .
And now that love , THEY ALL THINK is of GOD
has led them into more hatred and more rebellion against THE ONE TRUE GOD whose words they casted out
in favor of a harlots love .
have you seen .............................oh have you seen .
GO to and behold the chambers of many a church and ye will see what their god and his version of what he sold
as LOVE and claimed was of GOD has done to them all .
THEY cast with great speed those who bring the very words of scriptures into their churches , RIGHT OUT
with words like hater and the phrase God is love .
KINDA ODD dont ya think .
CAUSE WHILE I DO KNOW GOD IS LOVE , I by grace know something this all inclusive generation of an ecumenical
interfaith harlot DOES NOT . that THE LOVE of GOD would never DENY HIS TRUTH and cast HIS words out
as hateful . THE DEVIL DID THIS .
And now they head into even deeper rebellion and all beleiving this is the way to global peace n safety .
And yet its all of many anti christs who indeed have denied the gospel of GOD and of CHRIST
and LIED TO THEM ALL by saying that all religoins serve the same GOD a christain does , just in different ways .
And still this people will not abandon this . WELL my advice is
YOU and all better . cause that god aint saving anyone . It and its co workers
and its harlot has simply led and is leading this generation RIGHT TO THE day OF ITS OWN sudden destructoin .
Though it cries this be the way to peace n safety . IT LIES to all .

 

[amigo de christo]

Right. So the consequence of sin is death, if you wish, though I believe with all my heart that we ought to give the Lord our GOD the glory and fear that is due Him. We have the story Jesus told about the rich man living selfishly, and Lazarus, and how the rich man was in torment after he died, and poor Lazarus after he died went to be where righteous Abraham was, in paradise.

And there is still the outstanding issue of God's wrath to be revealed in the end, as His mercy was revealed with Christ's first coming.

Rev 6:12-17

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

This passage makes me think of multiple asteroids hitting the earth, causing massive earthquakes and the planet breaking up and even being knocked out of its orbit......"reeling to and fro like a cottage" in an earthquake or whirlwind......absolutely horrific and terrifying, resulting in all life being obliterated.

though I believe with all my heart that we ought to give the Lord our GOD the glory and fear that is due Him. We have the story Jesus told about the rich man living selfishly, and Lazarus, and how the rich man was in torment after he died, and poor Lazarus after he died went to be where righteous Abraham was, in paradise.
AND WHY do you THINK you beleive with ALL your heart we ought to give the Lord our GOD the glory and fear that is due him .
A hint
FOR IT IS HE WHO WORKETH IN YOU THAT WHICH IS WELL PLEASING IN HIS SIGHT .
THE SPIRIT of TRUTH works within the sheep .
And now a word
SIN , LIES , UNBELEIF is not well pleasing to GOD . and it cometh NOT OF THE SPIRIT but is only of the flesh .
And yet i see many calling sins , lies and unbeleif as though it is Loving and is the Love of GOD .
WOW .
Someone does lie to them . And we both KNOW IT AINT GOD cause GOD DONT LIE .

 

[Lizbeth]

Do you agree that there will be a new deception and what will it be? When I say new I mean the revival of one not seen for a while as there is nothing new under the sun

We are to be humans united with Christ, as was shown when Jesus was conceived, man united with the Almighty. This is to restore us to what we should have been in Adam - innocent then becoming united as we feed from the tree of life.

One thing sister, is when the apostles asked Jesus what will be the sign or your coming, the very first thing Jesus said in answer was to watch out for those who say in His name that they are Christ. I have already seen two or three people say this, quite a long time ago, who were following a new agey kind of Christianity.....so I believe this is one thing to be aware of.

 

[amigo de christo]

Right. So the consequence of sin is death, if you wish, though I believe with all my heart that we ought to give the Lord our GOD the glory and fear that is due Him. We have the story Jesus told about the rich man living selfishly, and Lazarus, and how the rich man was in torment after he died, and poor Lazarus after he died went to be where righteous Abraham was, in paradise.

And there is still the outstanding issue of God's wrath to be revealed in the end, as His mercy was revealed with Christ's first coming.

Rev 6:12-17

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

This passage makes me think of multiple asteroids hitting the earth, causing massive earthquakes and the planet breaking up and even being knocked out of its orbit......"reeling to and fro like a cottage" in an earthquake or whirlwind......absolutely horrific and terrifying, resulting in all life being obliterated.

GOD is not man that he can lie .
And was it not said and was it not recorded
That ALL unbeleivers , abominable , etc , that all who made and loved A LIE
would have his or her part IN THE LAKE OF F IRE .
Yet be aware for there are many other spirits at work today and use men
to LIE to this people . And its love and its harlot says
THEY will not perish , the unbeliever will not face the lake of fire
and what is abominable to GOD is no longer abominable to him as THEY HOLD rainbows .
And the gospel of YE must beleive has been replaced
with HEY ALL religoins are serving the same GOD a christain does in different ways .
SAY WHAT . AINT NO WAY that is coming FROM GOD .
GOD testifies TRUTH , the SPIRIT Testifies truth , and thus GOD TESTIFIED ON THE SON ,
not some diverse many way to him anti christ lie . the devil has done this sister .
AND no marvel for he sure can appear as an angel of LIGHT . THOUGH HE bE of the darkness .
And no marvel that satan , his harlot , his co workers
can all SAY GOD IS LOVE . and yet by that constant chant GOD IS LOVE
they lead and have led this people INTO GREAT REBELLION against GOD .
THEIR LOVE DONT LOVE THE TRUTH sister , IT LOVES A LIE and it does embrace sins and even a false gospel now .
THAT AIN COMING FROM GOD . That is coming only from HE who has always desired to be as GOD
and has always desired ONLY DEATH for humanity . ITS WHY he sells his lie as though it is the love of GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

One thing sister, is when the apostles asked Jesus what will be the sign or your coming, the very first thing Jesus said in answer was to watch out for those who say in His name that they are Christ. I have already seen two or three people say this, quite a long time ago, who were following a new agey kind of Christianity.....so I believe this is one thing to be aware of.

bingo . And now there are massive amounts of them and tons of them are even cloaked in wool as well .
WE got spirits all over men now who do nothing but lead this people to the day of their own destruction ,
UNDER THE GUISE its love , its loving and is the Love of GOD and is his plan for global peace n safety .
PEACE N SAFETY .
no wonder paul warned when they shall say PEACE n safety SUDDEN destructoin shall come UPON THEM ALL
and they will not escape . BECAUSE LOOK at their peace plan by which to attain this world peace n safety .
NOW WHEN YA DO , NOTICE WHO GOT REMOVED as the dire necessity to BELEIVE ON .
JESUS DID , THE GOSPEL DID .

 

[amigo de christo]

One thing sister, is when the apostles asked Jesus what will be the sign or your coming, the very first thing Jesus said in answer was to watch out for those who say in His name that they are Christ. I have already seen two or three people say this, quite a long time ago, who were following a new agey kind of Christianity.....so I believe this is one thing to be aware of.

Sister its now getting so bad that even those who preach the dire need to beleive on JESUS
are being called judmental , haters , religious extremists . And that is increasing too .
I aint the only one that has been called a religoius extremists . This is picking up speed .
And guess what its gonna lead them too .
WELL the idea that in order to attain this global peace n safety
SOMETHING and many someones , GONNA HAVE TO BE REMOVED cause they in the WAY to this global peace .
ANY GUESSES on who they gonna be that get removed from society .
Well when one comes and preaches the dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS
and gets called such names , YOU CAN COUNT ON IT , THAT IT WILLL BE THEM . they gonna come after us sister .
But fear them Not .
THEY are but men NO TGOD .
WE have CHRIST , THUS WE DO HAVE GOD and thus we have all hope and salvation and eternal life .
This life is but a vapor , BUT ENTERAL LIFE shall have NO END . SO fear them not . they are but men
whose breath be in their nostrils and are NOT THE CREATOR but only the created .

 

[amigo de christo]

The dead in Christ will be resurrected........but there is still the matter of "we who are alive and remain" at that time. The Lord will not visit His wrath upon the righteous who know Him.

And what pleases GOD . What pleases GOD so much
that WITHOUT it you just cannot please GOD .
FAITH .
something HIC and scores of others KNOW NOT .
TO SIM PLY as a child BELEIVE HIM . GOD , THUS HIS CHRIST , thus HIS words , his gospel .
Simple to a child born again of GOD whose faith was IN JESUS
but very offensive and very burdensome , and very complicated and confusing
unto those whose FAITH BE NOT IN HIM . they always twisting things sister . rather than BELIEVING
THE TRUTH they twist the truth .
FAITH . without faith , THERE IS NO PLEASING GOD .

 

[Marvelloustime]

And what pleases GOD . What pleases GOD so much
that WITHOUT it you just cannot please GOD .
FAITH .
something HIC and scores of others KNOW NOT .
TO SIM PLY as a child BELEIVE HIM . GOD , THUS HIS CHRIST , thus HIS words , his gospel .
Simple to a child born again of GOD whose faith was IN JESUS
but very offensive and very burdensome , and very complicated and confusing
unto those whose FAITH BE NOT IN HIM . they always twisting things sister . rather than BELIEVING
THE TRUTH they twist the truth .
FAITH . without faith , THERE IS NO PLEASING GOD .

@amigo de christo

 

[Brakelite]

GOD is not man that he can lie .
And was it not said and was it not recorded
That ALL unbeleivers , abominable , etc , that all who made and loved A LIE
would have his or her part IN THE LAKE OF F IRE .
Yet be aware for there are many other spirits at work today and use men
to LIE to this people . And its love and its harlot says
THEY will not perish , the unbeliever will not face the lake of fire
and what is abominable to GOD is no longer abominable to him as THEY HOLD rainbows .
And the gospel of YE must beleive has been replaced
with HEY ALL religoins are serving the same GOD a christain does in different ways .
SAY WHAT . AINT NO WAY that is coming FROM GOD .
GOD testifies TRUTH , the SPIRIT Testifies truth , and thus GOD TESTIFIED ON THE SON ,
not some diverse many way to him anti christ lie . the devil has done this sister .
AND no marvel for he sure can appear as an angel of LIGHT . THOUGH HE bE of the darkness .
And no marvel that satan , his harlot , his co workers
can all SAY GOD IS LOVE . and yet by that constant chant GOD IS LOVE
they lead and have led this people INTO GREAT REBELLION against GOD .
THEIR LOVE DONT LOVE THE TRUTH sister , IT LOVES A LIE and it does embrace sins and even a false gospel now .
THAT AIN COMING FROM GOD . That is coming only from HE who has always desired to be as GOD
and has always desired ONLY DEATH for humanity . ITS WHY he sells his lie as though it is the love of GOD .

It is true that the condemned are end up in the lake of fire, but what many people get very wrong, is that in the lake of fire they eventually die. The wages of sin is ultimately death. The time comes to all of them, including Satan himself, where the pain will cease and all conciousness will be expunged.

 

[quietthinker]

Right. So the consequence of sin is death, if you wish, though I believe with all my heart that we ought to give the Lord our GOD the glory and fear that is due Him. We have the story Jesus told about the rich man living selfishly, and Lazarus, and how the rich man was in torment after he died, and poor Lazarus after he died went to be where righteous Abraham was, in paradise.

This is a story for the purpose of the punchline. It is not a story for the purpose of establishing a theology of where the dead go.
So I would ask, what is the punchline of that story?
As an example, when you tell a joke, the details don't matter, it's the punchline that fulfils the joke's purpose.
If I tell you there was an Englishman, an Irishman and an American in a plane crossing the Atlantic, you know immediately a joke and a punchline is in the tubes where the details of the story/ joke don't matter.

And there is still the outstanding issue of God's wrath to be revealed in the end, as His mercy was revealed with Christ's first coming.

Rev 6:12-17

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

As for this above, it must be understood in the light of the definition of God's wrath in Romans 1.
'God's wrath' = natural consequences not arbitrary infliction.
As an example and going back to Creation, God said, 'if you eat of this tree you will surely die' He did not say, 'if you eat of this tree I will kill you'. God's pronouncement is one of consequence, not one of infliction.

Now, regarding your quotation of Revelation, there is much to say and understand re this. Suffice it to say that if/ when the paradigm is faulty the interpretation will also be.
What can I say that won't take many words to explain except......not sure if this link would interest you? It is detailed and protracted while immensely interesting and insightful. There are 30 lectures on 'Re Reading Revelation'. They are presented back to back by Sigve Tonstadt. Of course they don't need to be listened to/ watched in one sitting.
It is really only for serious students of the book of Revelation. Anything short of being serious is pretty much shooting in the dark.

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