Young rich ruler not saved, why ?

[Marvelloustime]

Yeah , have you seen the so called MYSTERIES of this god that epi points this athiest too .
IT WONT PREACH THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS .
In fact it called one who did a religious extremist .
OH its the MYSTERY that epi preaches all right . BuT NOT OF GOD .
The mystery of inquity . that is what he preaches . The lie of UNBELIEF and simply
tryin g to do good . THAT is what EPI preaches . ALL of it is a lie and i will expose it
if even i get banned here for doing so .
THIS IS NOT the gospel of GOD that epi preaches . HE preaches AGAINST the gospel of GOD .
And rather than anyone doing anything about it . HERE he stays and here he remains .
WELL i will expose it sister . I Told you in private
I am gonna grab that all incliusive bull by the horns no matter the cost . I GO out contending for the one true FAITH and not on my knees
to a harlot . WE KNEEL BEFORE JESUS sister . not anti christ . WE kneel before CHRIST .
And HE is with the sheep sister . HE is with the sheep .

@amigo de christo
@Lizbeth

 

[Lizbeth]

@amigo de christo
@Lizbeth
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Amen, and it is such a minefield out there today, or maybe it has always been since the early church and apostles. Paul was always battling to keep it out of the church and John said there were many antichrists even back then. What I notice about the son of perdition is a sense that he draws people to himself instead of to Christ/God....that is part of what it means to sit in the temple as if he were God. So folks who do that are antichrist. It's a fleshly perversion/counterfeit of something that is true. And they make themselves the measure/plumbline of what is right instead of the Lord.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen, and it is such a minefield out there today, or maybe it has always been since the early church and apostles. Paul was always battling to keep it out of the church and John said there were many antichrists even back then. What I notice about the son of perdition is a sense that he draws people to himself instead of to Christ/God....that is part of what it means to sit in the temple as if he were God. So folks who do that are antichrist. It's a fleshly perversion/counterfeit of something that is true. And they make themselves the measure/plumbline of what is right instead of the Lord.

in part this is correct dear sister . For when a man rebels against GOD
and omits His words in favor of that which pleases himself
his god is himself . so in part that is actually correct sister . Is that not what satan first did .
I shall become as God .
Rather than the way JESUS meant the servant should be as his master
and to follow his footsteps and walk as he did ,
THESE serve themselves and try and be as though they are God .
Serving SELF and not GOD .

 

[rwb]

In a nut shell...
Jesus said if you want to inherit eternal life then follow the law....the man thought He did but Jesus pointed out where He didn't....ooops, too late for the man.
But Jesus then told Him...follow Him. Which the man didn't do.

Yes, and there is the answer to the question of the OP. The man asked what HE, HIMSELF, I might do to inherit eternal life. When He should have said, Lord, please save me. None will be eternally saved relying on their own righteousness, because no man shall inherit eternal life until they fully submit to Christ, who alone saves.

 

[Lizbeth]

in part this is correct dear sister . For when a man rebels against GOD
and omits His words in favor of that which pleases himself
his god is himself . so in part that is actually correct sister . Is that not what satan first did .
I shall become as God .
Rather than the way JESUS meant the servant should be as his master
and to follow his footsteps and walk as he did ,
THESE serve themselves and try and be as though they are God .
Serving SELF and not GOD .

Episkopos seems to think he is the righteous man/prophet that if anyone receives him they are saved by that. Kind of a Catholic idea. I guess that's why he is so hard on those who don't accept him hook line and sinker. And his way of evangelizing is to draw people to himself.

I believe there is something in that one receives spiritual benefits and covering from being under the spiritual authority of those in the church with authority from the Lord and who are walking with Him.......but as soon it slips over into being a fleshly thing and not in the simplicity of Christ, like Catholicism, which believes their people are saved by being under the authority of a Pope and member of his church, it can be so wrong so fast. It's like a thin fine line between flesh and spirit.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, and there is the answer to the question of the OP. The man asked what HE, HIMSELF, I might do to inherit eternal life. When He should have said, Lord, please save me. None will be eternally saved relying on their own righteousness, because no man shall inherit eternal life until they fully submit to Christ, who alone saves.

be sure and let this all inclusive ecumeincal led , interreligious dialgoue led generation KNOW THIS .
cause i darn sure didnt see that in their intefaith interreligous dialgoue .
THEY SAID ALL the religoins of earth serve the same GOD christains do
and that all are simply coming to the same GOD in different diverse ways .
SOMEONE is lying to this generation . And do remember that WHILE JESUS DOES save
HE AINT NO MINSTIR OF ANY SIN or UNBELEIF . that be only another jesus that one sumits too .
And that one , CANNOT SAVE THEM . false sensual love of a harlot and her inclusive father satan , IS ALL that is my friend .

 

[rwb]

Because at that time, in that verse, there was No CROSS of CHRIST avaialble so that He could be saved.

People of faith before Christ came to earth a man were saved by Christ even though they lived only through the promise of His coming. It is by grace that we are saved through faith in Christ. They possessed faith to believe on Him in the same way Abraham did. They heard of Him (gospel) who would come and they believed!

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

There is a WHOLE category called the righteous in BOTH testaments. The ONLY way to miss that is to be unlearned and indoctrinated.

Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous OT saints.

Luke 1:5-6
5there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron. 6Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly.

They had the righteousness that is by law. That is the righteousness that the rich young man did not have, because he did not observe all the Lord's commands and decrees blamelessly as Zechariah and Elizabeth and others did. That is why he could not have eternal life/salvation. He kept the 10 Commandments but he failed to keep Deuteronomy 15:7-8.

7If anyone is poor among your fellow Israelites in any of the towns of the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward them. 8Rather, be openhanded and freely lend them whatever they need.

He would have to start doing this if he wanted to have eternal life and be saved. That's what the covenant of law he was under demanded.

 

[amigo de christo]

Episkopos seems to think he is the righteous man/prophet that if anyone receives him they are saved by that. Kind of a Catholic idea. I guess that's why he is so hard on those who don't accept him hook line and sinker. And his way of evangelizing is to draw people to himself.

I believe there is something in that one receives spiritual benefits and covering from being under the spiritual authority of someone who is walking with the Lord.......but as soon it slips over into being a fleshly thing and not in the simplicity of Christ, like Catholicism, which believes their people are saved by being under the authority of a Pope and member of his church, it can be so wrong so fast. It's like a thin fine line between flesh and spirit.

You ever heard this my dear sister .
And before i type it , let us know and understand GOD always speaks truth .
Cursed is the man whose hope be in man .
Blessed is the man whose hope be IN GOD .
And one more simple reminder as well .
MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD , if it were my servants HAD FOUGHT so that i would NOT have been delivered .
And the heavenly and the earthen CANNOT BE BLENDED .
HE whose hopes and cares and pleasures be in THIS world , its kingdoms , its men , IS cursed sister .
WHY .
Well ask yourself WHY it is that the left does not realize their own side does the same agenda
as does the opposing side . NOW vice versa that sister . NOR can the right see
their TRUMP leads them all into the same agenda , while speaking out against this one world govt .
AND THE REASON WHY neither side can see this
IS they are guilty of the same thing . And that is
THEY HOPE IN MEN sister . THEY HOPE IN THIS LIFE , IN THE EARTHERN and in men . That is why they are taken
and being taken into this DELUSION sister . The delusion TO FIND COMMON GROUND
and all believing it will lead this world to PEACE N SAFETY .
Only just like paul wrote , and for OBVIOUS reasons in that interfaith interrelgious dialgoue ,
OH its not for their peace n safety . IT is for their own SUDDEN destruction on the Great and Mighty day
OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
ITS a lying spirit sent to all the false prophets in chrisetendom as well as to the false relgions .
TO HAVE THEM ALL go up to the table as one under a harlot , under that intefaith anti christ peace plan
THAT DARN SURE DID DENY THE GOSEPL of JESUS
and all believing THIS BE THE WAY TO PEACE N SAFETY , as the muslim , hindu , jew , christain and all religoins say
GOD IS LOVE ,LET US BE ONE . HELLO its a king ahab DELUSOIN meant only
to lead them all to Thier own DESTRUCTION . WHO will go and convince the religoins and christendom to merge as one .
And a lying spirit said , I WILL GO and convince them . AND surely it has and surely it will be to their own destruction .

 

[Episkopos]

Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous OT saints.

They were not saints. They were righteous. And they are not alone. Joseph of Arimethia was a just man and so was Cornelius the centurion.

Righteousness on the human level is not just an OT thing.

Without the righteousness standard we make Christianity follow whatever standard we want...as we have done. Lawlessness.

Read the bible....follow the bible. Discern correctly. You may yet learn what salvation is.

Luke 1:5-6
5there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron. 6Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly.

They had the righteousness that is by law.

They were blameless before God. IOW Tamim.

That is the righteousness that the rich young man did not have, because he did not observe all the Lord's commands and decrees blamelessly as Zechariah and Elizabeth and others did. That is why he could not have eternal life/salvation. He kept the 10 Commandments but he failed to keep Deuteronomy 15:7-8.

This is pure speculation on your part. And not according to anything in the text.

7If anyone is poor among your fellow Israelites in any of the towns of the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward them. 8Rather, be openhanded and freely lend them whatever they need.

He would have to start doing this if he wanted to have eternal life and be saved. That's what the covenant of law he was under demanded.

Jesus laid out what the young man needed. You can't judge what God expects from individuals.

 

[rwb]

Speaking from the viewpoint of the covenant of law in which Jesus is speaking, it would be impossible for the rich guy to be righteous, and therefore saved by only keeping part of the law.

In a covenant of law you have to obey all the commands of God for that to be the righteousness by which you have eternal life and enter the kingdom of God. The rich guy wasn't doing that. That is the primary and foremost teaching in the passage. He was not doing all that he was supposed to do under the covenant of law to be righteous/perfect and qualified to inherit eternal life in the kingdom of God.

Even if they perfectly kept the Old Covenantal Mosaic Laws, only those who had faith in the promise of Messiah who was to come are eternally saved. Keeping the Laws only cleansed outwardly, but it could do nothing for the conscience. To be inwardly cleansed Old Covenant saints believed the word of faith through the gospel, (trusted God) even though it was only a promise that in their lives was not yet physically known. God sent the Old Covenant nation prophets like Isaiah who preached to them about the Messiah who was to come to give them eternal life! Keeping the Law attested only to outward cleanliness, but that only established their own outward righteousness to themselves without reliance on the righteousness of God, who only could eternally save them. They heard the gospel and only those who believed in the promise of the one who would come according to grace are eternally saved.

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Ro 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Ro 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
Ro 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Ro 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Ro 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Ro 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Ro 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Ro 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Ro 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Ro 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Ro 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Ro 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
Ro 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Ro 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

 

[Lizbeth]

You ever heard this my dear sister .
And before i type it , let us know and understand GOD always speaks truth .
Cursed is the man whose hope be in man .
Blessed is the man whose hope be IN GOD .
And one more simple reminder as well .
MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD , if it were my servants HAD FOUGHT so that i would NOT have been delivered .
And the heavenly and the earthen CANNOT BE BLENDED .
HE whose hopes and cares and pleasures be in THIS world , its kingdoms , its men , IS cursed sister .
WHY .
Well ask yourself WHY it is that the left does not realize their own side does the same agenda
as does the opposing side . NOW vice versa that sister . NOR can the right see
their TRUMP leads them all into the same agenda , while speaking out against this one world govt .
AND THE REASON WHY neither side can see this
IS they are guilty of the same thing . And that is
THEY HOPE IN MEN sister . THEY HOPE IN THIS LIFE , IN THE EARTHERN and in men . That is why they are taken
and being taken into this DELUSION sister . The delusion TO FIND COMMON GROUND
and all believing it will lead this world to PEACE N SAFETY .
Only just like paul wrote , and for OBVIOUS reasons in that interfaith interrelgious dialgoue ,
OH its not for their peace n safety . IT is for their own SUDDEN destruction on the Great and Mighty day
OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
ITS a lying spirit sent to all the false prophets in chrisetendom as well as to the false relgions .
TO HAVE THEM ALL go up to the table as one under a harlot , under that intefaith anti christ peace plan
THAT DARN SURE DID DENY THE GOSEPL of JESUS
and all believing THIS BE THE WAY TO PEACE N SAFETY , as the muslim , hindu , jew , christain and all religoins say
GOD IS LOVE ,LET US BE ONE . HELLO its a king ahab DELUSOIN meant only
to lead them all to Thier own DESTRUCTION . WHO will go and convince the religoins and christendom to merge as one .
And a lying spirit said , I WILL GO and convince them . AND surely it has and surely it will be to their own destruction .

Amen. It reminds me of this:

Amo 5:19
As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house (for refuge), and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Without the righteousness standard we make Christianity follow whatever standard we want...as we have done. Lawlessness.

You can repent of that right now, and I encourage you to do so.

 

[Lizbeth]

You can repent of that right now, and I encourage you to do so.

Falsely accusing as unrighteous all who do not accept everything he says is a righteous thing in his eyes. Which means he is making himself the standard.

 

[amigo de christo]

Falsely accusing as unrighteous all who do not accept everything he says is a righteous thing in his eyes. Which means he is making himself the standard.

even worse he is making a lie the standard of what he thinks is God .
Look at what he calls and considers righteous and what he calls religious extremism .
To call GOD a liar is righteouness in the eyes of epi
As unbelief in Christ is accepted and any who reminds of the dire need to Believe on Christ is labeled . A RELIGIOUS extrmist .
That is the god that is behind this inclusivsm , as it says judge not and all the while
JUDGES the gospel of GOD hard core . someone is lying to them inclusiviains sister .
Its been in the garden with adam and eve . and it too sold eve a lie . Has God really said , nay nay surely ye wont die .
Only death did come upon them .
and once again it rears it head and says HAS GOD really said and commanded ye to BELIEVE ON JESUS .
Nay nay it says surely they wont face the second death if they believe not , HEY just do good to a righteous man
As it twists jesus own words to use them against HIS OWN GOSPEL .
Oh yes sister , someone is lying to them all . And Seeing GOD cannot lie , thus CHRIST cannot lie
WE KNOW ITS NOT OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD. its coming from another .
and that one is NOT ONE any should heed .

 

[Episkopos]

You can repent of that right now, and I encourage you to do so.

When I said "we" I was being gracious. Since you don't understand what gracious is...I'll say "you lot".

 

[Episkopos]

Falsely accusing as unrighteous all who do not accept everything he says is a righteous thing in his eyes. Which means he is making himself the standard.

Completely backwards. I'm calling people out because they have thrown out God's standards and invented their own. All the standards I present (righteous or holy) are repeated over and over and over again in the bible. You can only count on your "key" verse that you either misunderstand or has been translated for effect by other indoctrinated ones. (like 2 Cor. 5:21, or any of the aphesis verses badly translated as forgiveness rather than freedom)

 

[Lizbeth]

Completely backwards. I'm calling people out because they have thrown out God's standards and invented their own. All the standards I present (righteous or holy) are repeated over and over and over again in the bible. You can only count on your "key" verse that you either misunderstand or has been translated for effect by other indoctrinated ones. (like 2 Cor. 5:21, or any of the aphesis verses badly translated as forgiveness rather than freedom)

Nobody here is throwing out God's standards, except maybe some of the OSAS people. On the contrary, we affirm God's standards and know we can't possibly measure up to them in our own right and through our own efforts, apart from Him.

Forgiveness is being freed/loosed from the debt and dominion of sin. It is very much about freedom. You don't seem to understand forgiveness very well and even go so far as to say the cross is not about forgiveness. It's as though you are robbing Peter to pay Paul (no pun intended). It is like you are robbing the foundations of the gospel in order to pay it all forward into the perfecting part of it, thus leaving no foundation behind.

 

[CrowCross]

Nobody here is throwing out God's standards, except maybe some of the OSAS people.

?????? How is that?

 

[Marvelloustime]

even worse he is making a lie the standard of what he thinks is God .
Look at what he calls and considers righteous and what he calls religious extremism .
To call GOD a liar is righteouness in the eyes of epi
As unbelief in Christ is accepted and any who reminds of the dire need to Believe on Christ is labeled . A RELIGIOUS extrmist .
That is the god that is behind this inclusivsm , as it says judge not and all the while
JUDGES the gospel of GOD hard core . someone is lying to them inclusiviains sister .
Its been in the garden with adam and eve . and it too sold eve a lie . Has God really said , nay nay surely ye wont die .
Only death did come upon them .
and once again it rears it head and says HAS GOD really said and commanded ye to BELIEVE ON JESUS .
Nay nay it says surely they wont face the second death if they believe not , HEY just do good to a righteous man
As it twists jesus own words to use them against HIS OWN GOSPEL .
Oh yes sister , someone is lying to them all . And Seeing GOD cannot lie , thus CHRIST cannot lie
WE KNOW ITS NOT OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD. its coming from another .
and that one is NOT ONE any should heed .

@amigo de christo