False Teaching: Mary died a virgin. Biblical Proof Mary had children.

[Grailhunter]

I am prepared to die on the hill that pointed ONLY TO JESUS CHRIST the one who first died for me on the hill called calvary .
Now if any has a problem with this , your problem is not with me
BUT WITH THE GREAT AND MIGHTY GOD . because it is t hee who calls him a liar and not ME .
GOD is not man that he can lie . but man he is man and is darn sure able to do so .
EVERY WORD of GOD shall be embraced by me . and it is meat . THUS EVERY WORD OF JESUS is my meat .
And ev ery lovely word them apostels left us to read in said bible shall be my meat .
MY DESIRE IS
and believe you me it cometh of GOD all mighty , IS THAT GOD , T HUS HIS CHRIST RECIEVE ALL HONOR
and all THE GLORY and that many souls be saved .
SO dont expect me to point anyone here to the love of a judge not all inclusive harlot or her father satan
who has by means of ecumeincalism poured a cup of fornication she calls love and cliams is for peace
UPON this world .
I want every man and every woman on this site to read this . THEN get all others to do so .
YOU all got a decision to make .
And i do suggest you make it asap . Dont hold your breath expecting me to bend the knee
to t his other god , his ecumeincal harlot , his incluisve message of anti christ interfaith for peace .
I dont bend the knee to satan and i dont bend the knee to his anti christ or his harlot .
I had rather die . So if that sounds like religious extremisim to any of you
Then you just gonna have to do as you feel is necessary to do . BUT AS FOR ME and the sheep
WE BEND THE KNEE TO GOD AND TO HIS SON ONLY . DO as you will o world of false love .
MY GOD is my helper and I DO NOT fear what man can do to me . JESUS has already conquered death
and i shall NEVER DIE .
Now run and run quickly and gather all on this site to read this . And you all decide .

Read what?
What is the point?

 

[amigo de christo]

Read what?
What is the point?

just read my f riend . just read it .

 

[Grailhunter]

just read my f riend . just read it .

I did read it.
A lot of words but what is your point?

 

[GeneZ]

You’re mixing categories.

Yes, ecclesia means “the called‑out people,” and the Church is indeed people who belong to Jesus. But saying it’s “not an established group” is simply incorrect.

After the time of discovering one another they chose to organize into groups.
Then the church became established as groups.

The first churches met in people's homes.
Believers did not build special places for worship for more than two hundred years.

Too much misunderstanding and lack of knowledge about the foundational years
has led some to assume that things have always been the same as we now know it.

 

[amigo de christo]

I did read it.
A lot of words but what is your point?

OH Fair enough . my point is , and i do need you to undestand this ,
I dont kneel to no ecueminal harlot or her all inclusive father satan or his intefiath of anti christ peace plan .
I expose it .
I dont make deals with darkness and hug it and find common ground with it for any cause ,no not even world peace
By grace I Expose the darkness and do not make my bed with it or sit at a table of unity with it .
I kneel TO GOD and that means TO HIS CHRIST .
And i absolutely refuse to allow a harlot loves to make v oid THE GOSPEL .
As it sure seems many have already .
Kissing on korans , NOW HEAR THIS , kissing budda statues
and tell ALL THE WORLDS RELIGOINS they serve the same GOD us christains do .
A HELL NO on that one . forgive the hell no , but man i have to say it to make a point .
A RESOUNDING NO WAY on that one buddies .
NOR does jesus hold rainbows or accept any sin .
WOULD you like to know exactly how wise and cunning a harlot is and her father is .
WOULD you like to know HOW they convinced NOT Only the false religions
but christendom of the THIS LIE that now merges them as one for world peace .
THREE WORDS were sold long ago by seeker friendly men and the likes
GOD IS LOVE .
THE ONL PROBLEM IS they had ZERO DISCERNEMENT or REAL BIBLE KNOWLEDGE .
AND how do i know that . cause if they had , THEY HAD REALIZED IT WAS NOT THE LOVE GOD BEING SOLD TO THEM .
WHO SHALL GO and proclaim to this all inclusive ecuemincal generation and its false religoins and christendom
THAT they must repent asap . I WILL GO and grab this eucmeincal bull by its horns
if even it costs me my life . In hopes that at least some will repent .
I want no tears for me . But if you do desire to weep , WEEP FOR ALL WHO BOUGHT THIS HARLOTS LOVE
GOD is my helper and i shall NOT fear what man can do to me .
NOR can they take my joy from me , not in prison nor even if they kill me .
FOR THE LORD , HE IS MY JOY and HIS SALVATION . AND NO man can seperate me
FROM THE LOVE OF GOD WHICH IS IN CHRIST JESUS . so this ol ecumeincal whore gonna be exposed on my watch buddy .

 

[amigo de christo]

I did read it.
A lot of words but what is your point?

now if that repsonse sounds like a religious exremist to you ,
then know and understand you are not alone .
and more and more within even chrsitendom and the false religoins
will soon unify as one for one common purpose OF ANTI CHRIST and the BEAST .
Now AI who will lead the digitgal system and enforce the laws of its ecumencal harlot and its inclusive god satan .
WILL NOT put a difference between any thing deemed extremist or religious extremist .
THAT MEANS that men like me who simply preach the gospel , to say an athiest , EVEN ON THIS site
and was called religous extremists for doing so ,
WELL guess who gonna be rounded up as a potential terroist , as a religious extremist . ME and other sheep will be .
But again i dont say that for tears or sorrow for me .
YOU WEEP FOR ALL and i mean every last one who sat under that eucmeincal anti christ harlot and her peace plan .
cause if this can come upon the sheep
OH MY GOODNESS what do you suppose is gonna come upon them all ON JESUS DAY .
AND friend , I NEVER DESIRED That for them , ITS WHY I WARNED THEM ALL to get the HECK OUT OF IT NOW

 

[amigo de christo]

I dont sit under harlots . they are full of disease . TIME to preach JESUS and all holy bible doctrine .

 

[Moonwood]

Yes There sure was an organized church centered at Jerusalem . The apostels were centered there .
Though often they too went out to the other locations to preach the glorious Gospel .
And key leaders did make sure to visit other areas where the churches were .
But they darn sure did not do as the RCC did .
Upon entering the house of cornelious , and cornelious seeing peter
had went to kneel before peter . Peter did not then say , HOLD up
And kiss my r ing and call me MOST HOLY FATHER . NO SIR i sure didnt see that .
QUITE the opposite in fact . GET UP , I am but a man . THE RCC , WAS NOT the PLAN OF GOD for the church .
Nor the JW , nor mormon , nor nar realm , nor scores of others .
You see the true church and its true sheep and its seasoned leaders
DONT bow to harlot nor seek the praise and worship of men .
Nor would they continously teach the precepts of men as though it was the HOLY doctrine of GOD himself .
TO such places that do , TIME TO COME YE OUT FROM AMONGST THEM .
Any one sitting in anything ecumeinal inclusive and of intefaith doctrine , WARN IT TO REPENT
and if its leaders do not , YOU GET OUT and take all that you can with you and dont look back .
Cause its all coming Down on the DAY of JESUS CHRIST .

You’re confusing later polemics with actual early Christian history.

Yes, the apostles preached in many places, but that doesn’t change the fact that the Church Jesus founded was visible, organized, and apostolic. Meeting in homes doesn’t mean they lacked structure — it simply means Christianity was illegal and believers had no buildings yet. Even those house churches had bishops, presbyters, deacons, sacraments, discipline, and apostolic authority. That’s organization.

As for Peter and Cornelius, Peter refused worship — not respect, not leadership, and not the role Jesus gave him. Saying “get up, I am only a man” doesn’t erase the fact that Jesus said to Peter, “Feed my sheep,” and gave him the keys. Rejecting worship is not rejecting leadership.

Your comments about “kissing rings,” “MOST HOLY FATHER,” and “harlots” are rhetoric, not history. The early Church didn’t operate on modern slogans, and neither did the apostles. The New Testament itself uses teacher, elder, overseer, and Paul even calls himself a spiritual father to believers. Matthew 23 condemns pride, not legitimate leadership.

The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD didn’t erase the Church. The apostles had already established communities throughout the Roman world, and those communities continued under the leadership Jesus gave them. That’s why the Church didn’t disappear when one city fell.

 

[amigo de christo]

You’re confusing later polemics with actual early Christian history.

Yes, the apostles preached in many places, but that doesn’t change the fact that the Church Jesus founded was visible, organized, and apostolic. Meeting in homes doesn’t mean they lacked structure — it simply means Christianity was illegal and believers had no buildings yet. Even those house churches had bishops, presbyters, deacons, sacraments, discipline, and apostolic authority. That’s organization.

As for Peter and Cornelius, Peter refused worship — not respect, not leadership, and not the role Jesus gave him. Saying “get up, I am only a man” doesn’t erase the fact that Jesus said to Peter, “Feed my sheep,” and gave him the keys. Rejecting worship is not rejecting leadership.

Your comments about “kissing rings,” “MOST HOLY FATHER,” and “harlots” are rhetoric, not history. The early Church didn’t operate on modern slogans, and neither did the apostles. The New Testament itself uses teacher, elder, overseer, and Paul even calls himself a spiritual father to believers. Matthew 23 condemns pride, not legitimate leadership.

The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD didn’t erase the Church. The apostles had already established communities throughout the Roman world, and those communities continued under the leadership Jesus gave them. That’s why the Church didn’t disappear when one city fell.

well if what anyone calls The abominations the RCC added in as polemics , lets just say i have a whole nother word for that .
And i already said the above part with the apostels and an organized visible church etc .
But that RCC was NOT OF IT . That a harlot and i wont be bending the knee to her or her all inclusive ecumenical peace
of anti christ . Moonwood , i truly pray TO GOD that none would either. I sure dont desire their destruction .
So i got work to do exposing her and all her protestant daughters and false religons she has merging under her
as one . So let us all take heed . Never sit under a harlot , for she is always f ull of deadly diseases
and her chambers are but death leading to death twice told . as in second death for sure and for certain .
I am glad we could clear this up my friend .

 

[Moonwood]

well if what anyone calls The abominations the RCC added in as polemics , lets just say i have a whole nother word for that .
And i already said the above part with the apostels and an organized visible church etc .
But that RCC was NOT OF IT . That a harlot and i wont be bending the knee to her or her all inclusive ecumenical peace
of anti christ . Moonwood , i truly pray TO GOD that none would either. I sure dont desire their destruction .
So i got work to do exposing her and all her protestant daughters and false religons she has merging under her
as one . So let us all take heed . Never sit under a harlot , for she is always f ull of deadly diseases
and her chambers are but death leading to death twice told . as in second death for sure and for certain .
I am glad we could clear this up my friend .

You’re moving far away from history and into accusations that don’t reflect what the early Church actually was. Calling any Christian community a “harlot” or describing believers as “full of deadly diseases” isn’t a theological argument — it’s just hostility. I’m not going to follow you into that kind of language.

The point remains simple: the Church Jesus founded was visible, organized, and apostolic. The apostles led real communities, appointed real successors, and taught real doctrine. Meeting in homes didn’t make them less structured — it only reflected the fact that Christianity was illegal and believers had no buildings yet.

You’re free to reject the Catholic Church, but rejecting it doesn’t erase its historical continuity with the communities the apostles established. And it doesn’t turn modern slogans or condemnations into evidence. The New Testament itself uses teacher, elder, overseer, and Paul even calls himself a spiritual father to believers. That’s leadership, not corruption.

If you want to discuss history or Scripture, I’m here for that. But I’m not going to engage with language that degrades entire groups of Christians. It doesn’t help anyone understand the truth, and it doesn’t reflect the humility Jesus taught.

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[amigo de christo]

Praise the Lord this life is but a vapor but eternal life is forever .
Even so COME Lord Jesus .

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[GeneZ]

Catholics wish for us to believe that their church was a direct succession from the apostles.

This is what the apostle Peter had to say about direct succession.
Peter wrote the following to his own congregation who were alive at that time.

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. ​

They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them​

—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the ​

way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. ​

Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. 2 Peter 2:1-3​

​

 

[Moonwood]

After the time of discovering one another they chose to organize into groups.
Then the church became established as groups.

The first churches met in people's homes.
Believers did not build special places for worship for more than two hundred years.

Too much misunderstanding and lack of knowledge about the foundational years
has led some to assume that things have always been the same as we now know it.

They ended up that way.
Where did the first organized church in Jerusalem end up?

They ended up doing their own thing, and as a result it was destroyed in 70AD.

The Catholic Church exploited ignorant peasants by doing their own thing with distortions of the Bible.
The Bible, which the peasants never got to read for themselves.

Imagine if they were literate and could read?
And were allowed to read this passage?

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“But you are not to let yourselves be called ‘Rabbi’; because you have one Rabbi, ​

and you are all each other’s brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘Father.’ ​

because you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to let yourselves ​

be called ‘leaders,’ because you have one Leader, and he is the Messiah! ​

The greatest among you must be your servant, for whoever promotes himself ​

will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be promoted. Matthew 23:8-12​

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Note: It has all to do with using titles for men.

Add to that the invention of the Immaculate Conception. Indulgences?

It only proves how stupid we are free to be if one so chooses to be.

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Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,​

but whoever hates correction is stupid.​

Proverbs 12:1

It simply exposes your bias.

You’re still mixing categories.

The fact that early Christians met in homes doesn’t mean they weren’t organized. They met in homes because Christianity was illegal and they had no buildings — not because Jesus intended a loose, structureless movement. Even in those house churches, there were bishops, presbyters, deacons, discipline, sacraments, and apostolic authority. That’s organization.

And the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD didn’t erase the Church Jesus founded. The apostles had already established communities throughout the Roman world, and those communities continued under the leadership Jesus gave them. That’s why the Church didn’t disappear when one city fell.

As for Matthew 23, Jesus wasn’t banning titles — He was condemning pride and self‑exaltation. Paul calls himself a spiritual father to believers, and the New Testament uses teacher, elder, and overseer freely. The passage is about humility, not abolishing all human leadership.

Your claims about “ignorant peasants” and “distortions” are opinions, not historical arguments. Literacy rates were low everywhere in the ancient world, not just among Catholics, and the Church preserved Scripture, copied it, translated it, and defended it long before any other Christian group existed.

Other groups may hold parts of Christian truth, but that doesn’t change the fact that the Church Jesus founded is the one built on the apostles, and Catholics believe the fullness of teaching and authority remains in that Church. Rejecting that is your choice, but it doesn’t make your interpretation the original or neutral one. It just means you prefer it.

That’s not bias. It’s history.

 

[Moonwood]

Catholics wish for us to believe that their church was a direct succession from the apostles.

This is what the apostle Peter had to say about direct succession.
Peter wrote the following to his own congregation who were alive at that time.

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. ​

They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them​

—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the ​

way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. ​

Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. 2 Peter 2:1-3​

​

You’re taking a passage about false teachers and trying to use it as a blanket denial of apostolic succession. But 2 Peter 2 doesn’t say, “There will be false teachers, therefore no church can have legitimate leadership.” It simply warns that false teachers will arise — which every Christian tradition agrees with.

The existence of false teachers doesn’t erase the fact that Jesus founded a visible, organized, and apostolic Church. It doesn’t erase the fact that the apostles appointed successors, laid hands on them, and instructed them to guard the faith. And it doesn’t erase the historical continuity of the communities they established.

If you want to argue that the Catholic Church is wrong, that’s your choice. But quoting a warning about heresy doesn’t prove that the Catholic Church is the heresy. Every Christian group could point to that passage and claim it applies to someone else. That’s not evidence — it’s interpretation.

The historical question remains the same:
Did the apostles establish real communities with real leadership, real teaching, and real continuity?

The answer is yes. And the Catholic Church claims continuity with that apostolic foundation.

You’re free to reject that claim, but rejecting it doesn’t turn 2 Peter 2 into a historical argument. It just means you’re applying the passage to the group you personally disagree with.

That’s interpretation — not proof.

 

[GeneZ]

You’re taking a passage about false teachers and trying to use it as a blanket denial of apostolic succession.

No... Not exactly.

I was simply showing you that to claim apostolic succession can prove to be a bad idea.
For false teachers did pop up and many people did follow them, just like Peter said would happen.

 

[GeneZ]

You’re still mixing categories.

The fact that early Christians met in homes doesn’t mean they weren’t organized. They met in homes because Christianity was illegal and they had no buildings — not because Jesus intended a loose, structureless movement. Even in those house churches, there were bishops, presbyters, deacons, discipline, sacraments, and apostolic authority. That’s organization.

And the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD didn’t erase the Church Jesus founded. The apostles had already established communities throughout the Roman world, and those communities continued under the leadership Jesus gave them. That’s why the Church didn’t disappear when one city fell.

As for Matthew 23, Jesus wasn’t banning titles — He was condemning pride and self‑exaltation. Paul calls himself a spiritual father to believers, and the New Testament uses teacher, elder, and overseer freely. The passage is about humility, not abolishing all human leadership.

Your claims about “ignorant peasants” and “distortions” are opinions, not historical arguments. Literacy rates were low everywhere in the ancient world, not just among Catholics, and the Church preserved Scripture, copied it, translated it, and defended it long before any other Christian group existed.

Other groups may hold parts of Christian truth, but that doesn’t change the fact that the Church Jesus founded is the one built on the apostles, and Catholics believe the fullness of teaching and authority remains in that Church. Rejecting that is your choice, but it doesn’t make your interpretation the original or neutral one. It just means you prefer it.

That’s not bias. It’s history.

I had many Catholic friends growing up. I used to listen to them say things about certain rules and customs.
I, being Jewish, used to listen quietly. They used to jest and think certain things were just absurd. But as children
they used to take things seriously.
Some of these Catholic friends later on became Christians.

 

[Moonwood]

I had many Catholic friends growing up. I used to listen to them say things about certain rules and customs.
I, being Jewish, used to listen quietly. They used to jest and think certain things were just absurd. But as children
they used to take things seriously.
Some of these Catholic friends later on became Christians.

I appreciate the personal story, but it doesn’t really address anything I said. Childhood impressions or what some people later chose to believe don’t settle historical questions.

The point remains simple: the early Church was visible, organized, and apostolic, and the communities the apostles established didn’t vanish when Jerusalem fell. They continued under the leadership Jesus gave them, and that’s the historical continuity Catholics point to.

If you want to discuss the actual historical or scriptural claims, I’m here for that. But personal anecdotes don’t really answer the question of what the apostles built or how the early Church functioned.

 

[GeneZ]

I appreciate the personal story, but it doesn’t really address anything I said. Childhood impressions or what some people later chose to believe don’t settle historical questions.

The point remains simple: the early Church was visible, organized, and apostolic, and the communities the apostles established didn’t vanish when Jerusalem fell. They continued under the leadership Jesus gave them, and that’s the historical continuity Catholics point to.

If you want to discuss the actual historical or scriptural claims, I’m here for that. But personal anecdotes don’t really answer the question of what the apostles built or how the early Church functioned.

You're missing the whole point if you think defending Catholic teachings is a good thing.

I could care less to argue if you do not know that for yourself.