Flat Earth Theory

[David in NJ]

That ONLY works with very specific starting points and distances.

EXACTLY

Everyone is born in the MIDDLE of SIN and cannot escape it.

For GOD so loved everyone HE Sent His SON to Stand in the Middle with us yet without sin!
CHRIST Paid in Full our Debt and now our sins have been separated from us = as Far as the East is from the West

East from West ONLY works on the level planar earth that GOD created.

On a globe = the sin circles right back at us.

The HOLY SPIRIT Says to you, Today, "Get off the lie of a globe and Stand Firm on MY WORD"

 

[CrowCross]

That ONLY works with very specific starting points and distances. And is ONLY possible on a perfect sphere using spherical geometry.
You're welcome.

The point is it works on earth. If the earth was flat it wouldn't work.

 

[David in NJ]

The point is it works on earth. If the earth was flat it wouldn't work.

FALSE = AGAIN

 

[doctrox]

You can stay with the foolish or you can join us under GOD in Genesis, under the Rainbow of Promise

and

The rainbow is observable science, indeed.

A projector without a screen would be pointless. The rainbow (the projector) is always there but you cannot see it unless it rains (the screen).

You can see the rainbow when the sprinkler is watering your lawn because there's water in the air. It's in 3D also. No matter which way you turn, the rainbow is always visible as long as you have a mist of water to provide the screen.


..... - source BLB





And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. (Genesis 9:15)

A rainbow is a reminder of God's promise to never flood the earth again as in the time of Noah. It's a great comfort to know that when it rains and I see a rainbow, another flesh-destroying flood is not forthcoming.

God's word is awesome!

And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth. - Genesis 9:8-17




The Firmament Has Windows

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. - Gen. 7:11
The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained; - Gen. 8:2
Then a lord on whose hand the king leaned answered the man of God, and said, Behold, if the LORD would make windows in heaven, might this thing be? And he said, Behold, thou shalt see it with thine eyes, but shalt not eat thereof. - 2 Kin. 7:2
And that lord answered the man of God, and said, Now, behold, if the LORD should make windows in heaven, might such a thing be? And he said, Behold, thou shalt see it with thine eyes, but shalt not eat thereof. - 2 Kin. 7:19
And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. - Isa 24:18
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. - Mal. 3:10

 

[doctrox]

Sounds like you don't want to answer the questions...

Can you answer the questions or will you only mock and ridicule me?
...Will you address those issues...or continue to sidetrack?

I have presented you with 3 examples...

What you need to do is ANSWER THE QUESTION and refute each of the 3 spherical earth facts ...or retract your belief.
It's that simple Dave. Will you address the questions?

Will you answer the questions?

...Will you address those issues...or continue to sidetrack?

WILL YOU NOT EVEN ATTEMPT TO REFUTE THE 3 QUESTIONS?

Jupiter is a real spherical planet and not a ruse of NASA.
You can't see Polaris below the equator.
The sun can shine for an entire day at the bottom of the earth.

All 3 refute your broken theory.

Well, here you go again...NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS.
Not only didn't you answer the 3 questions..you also didn't provide any verses that speaks of a flat earth.

I'm thinking about putting him on my ignore list.

I wonder if @TLHKAJ can answer the 3 questions. Question 2 about Polaris fits into the question you just asked.

Sounds like you don't want to answer the questions...

You were the one who started with the all NASA photos are bogus...and can't be used to verify Jupiter exist. So, I said, take your own photographs....you'll even see Jupiter is a sphere like earth is.

Ball earthers believe Jupiter is 541 million miles away, but are CGI cocksure that it is a sphere. Amazing!

I then showed you how Polaris drops behind the horizon at the equator...and that wouldn't happen on a flat earth.

Answered previously here.

I then spoke about the midnight sun in the antarctic which would be impossible with a flat earth...but it happens.

Answered previously here.

Ball earther, are you guilty of the following?

1) You get on CB.

2) You notice someone, such as myself, who believes in a planar earth.

3) You instantly disagree with me, typically by posting an ad hominem, an insulting comment.

4) Before you even start talking to me, you discredit everything I'm about to say. It doesn't matter if I'm right, it doesn't matter if I'm wrong. It doesn't matter if I explain your model to you, or if I explain my model to you. It doesn't matter to you.

5) Then you ask me a question, even though you're going to discredit everything I just said. And you ask the question over and over again, demanding a response.

6) I explain it to you, and then you discredit me again because you've already arrived at a conclusion that I'm not a credible source based on some misrepresentation of me that you created in your head three steps ago.

7) So you're attacking a straw man that doesn't even exist. You're discrediting yourself, which is basically doublespeak. It's a textbook example of mind control in action.

How did this sad state of affairs come about for many ball earthers?

The fall of the human race was initiated because Eve listened to someone else's voice, not just the voice of God. Today, there is a chorus of other voices competing with the word of God for our time, attention, affection and our mind. The Bible says that, “the god of this world hath blinded the minds of those which believe not...” 2 Cor. 4:4. How does he do this? How does he affect the mind?

Your mind includes what is in your head. The two eye holes and two ear holes are the means by which it receives input. Eve was seduced by the tree because it was “pleasant to the eyes.” This is why we 'watch' the weather and news on TV, rather than listen to it on the radio. Since it worked so well for Eve, the serpent packages his mind numbing message in a pleasant-to-the-eyes package, perhaps even as NASA's “Blue Marble” image (exposed previously here).

If you analyzed specifically WHAT each unsaved person has exposed their eyes and ears to over the course of their life, to determine what has caused their blinded condition, you would find that the average person has subjected himself to between 100,000 and 200,000 hours, out of their approximately 600,000 hour life, opening their ears and eyes to the voice of visual and audio media, including internet and TV, videos, commercials, news, newspapers, magazine, direct mail advertising and commercially produced electronic music.

The Bible says, “I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes.” (Psa. 101:3) “Take heed what ye hear...” (Mark 4:24). As Christians, we can attempt to do that, but what if the enemy were to be as subtle as the serpent in the garden? The Bible says that “the serpent was more subtil than any...” (Gen. 3:1).

As a young man attending university, I was being taught to manipulate the cognitive behavior of the public, using what I, even as an unsaved person back then, considered to be unethical, dishonest and blatantly wicked means. One of the tools we were being taught to use was subliminal embeds in print, visual and auditory meda. Because I was introduced to the techniques, I have been able to spot the use of them throughout my life. Because the embeds (and the overt sin) were increasing to almost saturation level, I cut myself off from exposure to most media decades ago.

Be advised that the following information is somewhat dated, as the industry has since largely shifted from analog to digital.

Embed: To make something an integral part of its surroundings

I realize that most Christians don't know that subliminal embeds are used in all media to which they are unwittingly subjecting themselves to daily. These embeds are, no doubt, the source of many of the hurtful notions and temptations Christians needlessly bear.

The book of Hosea says that “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.” (Hos. 4:6) There are serious spiritual implications of media induced mass hypnosis and social engineering. Searching the Web for the words “subliminal embeds” will generate hundreds of very informative sites; some of them are damage control “plants” from the advertising industry.

The average North American perceives some 1,000+ ads daily. A MAJORITY of these contain subliminal stimuli of one type or another. On the surface, ads appear innocent, harmless, even insipid. They are engineered to communicate this perception.

If you are wondering WHY you haven't heard about this on the news, remember, advertising pays for the media. Advertising agencies choose which media will receive the advertising dollar. Subliminal advertising increases sales and revenue. The news media use embeds just as often as the merchants.

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[doctrox]

How are these embeds inserted?

1- The embeds are printed on a photoengraving plate with asphaltum. The plate is then immersed in acid. The embeds are lightly etched on the plate's surface.

2- The embeds are airbrushed into a drawing or photograph very lightly or painted into hair, creases in clothing, facial lines, or rough background surfaces.

3- The embeds are written on a transparent overlay for a photograph or drawing The overlay is photographed alone at high speed, approximately 1/2,000 of a second, and the overlay is double-exposed over an art layout at 1/100 of a second. By varying speed and light, the embeds can be superimposed into any photograph at any intensity level desired.

4- Wire a rheostat into the light cord of a slide projector. Once a slide is projected over a motion picture, light can be reduced to a level just below where the slide image is consciously apparent. (Coca Cola invented this.)

5- Subliminally embedded paper stock has been available to printers for many years. They texture, weave, or emboss words into the paper stock. Virtually any high quality business card or sales brochure held up to the light for 10 seconds or so and viewed in a relaxed manner will reveal a mosaic of “s e x”.

6- Doctored film emulsions.

7- Stripped in fine dot screen used on one or more of the color separations in film emulsions or engraved plates.

8- Metacontrast (Repeated flashes of very dark then very bright screen images). Puts viewer in a state of light hypnosis. Used in most TV advertising and music videos today. Increases suggestibility.

9- Figure-ground reversal. (Danish psychologist Edgar Rubis reversible profiles and vase appear in most encyclopedias.)

10- Anamorphic forms (dissonance grabs attention).

11- Double Entendre.

12- Using the principles of Gestalt psychology, artists know that:

a. People simplify shapes, therefore only an abstracted, simplified representation of the image they wish to bring to mind needs to be given. This includes both letters and images.

b. People will fill in an incomplete or partial form or letter to make it match what is already in their mind. So it is not necessary to draw much more than a hint of what you want to embed. Scrambled or partial letters work just as well as complete words and are less likely to be “found.” Have you ever noticed all the products that are SE or EX or XE (Nexus, Exxon, ad nauseum)?

A Pupilometer or Mackworth camera is a machine that tracks where the eye travels when looking at a picture or person and records at what points the pupil enlarges to see that particular point better. The elements most looked at are drawn into the ad, packaging, video image etc. where ever they can be.

When a camera tracks a woman in a grocery store, it shows that her eye blink rate is 14 blinks per minute, the rate of someone in a state of light hypnosis. (See Num. 24:4 “...falling into a trance, but having his eyes open”). The rate does not go back to normal until the check out person tells her the total. (To explain how this hypnotic state has been produced would go beyond the scope of this post.)

What are they embedding?

The three most emotion laden human experiences:

- Birth
- Reproduction
- Death

The words most often embedded are foul language related to the second item. The images most often embedded relate to item two also. The next most often depicted word is 'death' (Pro. 8:36); horror pictures which depict a violet death or dismemberment are popular (Psa. 11:5). Embedding the words '...you...want...you...need...you...get...' is very popular.

Why do they embed these images?

Through market research, they have determined that these embeds increase viewer attention to and interest in the product, thereby increasing $ales. (They will introduce a TV commercial or packaging design in the Cleveland area with the embeds; they will introduce it in the Dallas area without them. Sales are tracked and embeds always win - hands down.)

The unconscious memory system appears to retain emotionalized information indefinitely. We remember the things (products or ideas) which are introduced to us wrapped in an emotion generating experience.

This is how trauma bonding takes place. TLHKAJ and I have both posted about this previously. For example, if you had met a stranger for the first time, and rather than offering a handshake, he punched you in the face, then your memory of that person would be much stronger. Granted, it's a negative memory, but the level of emotion associated with the experience is much greater. This is why virtually all subliminal embeds are of a wicked, vile or horrific nature. There are no “nice” embeds.

Likewise, those of you here who have trotted out NASA's infamous Blue Marble CGI image as some kind of Holy Grail “photograph” are flummoxed when shown the large number and wicked nature of subliminal embeds it contains (as per a previous post). Blue Marble proponents have been trauma bonded to NASA's deception.

If I cannot see them, how can it be determined that they are affecting me?

Mechanical devices that register the autonomic nervous system clearly indicate that they are having an effect as indicated on the following tests:

1- GSR (galvanic skin response) (sweat on skin)

2- EEG (electroencephalograph) (brainwaves)

3- EKG (electrocardiogram) (heart rate)

4- Blood Pressure

5- Increased respiration

6- Blood oxygen levels

7- Retinal and foveal activity

8- Adrenal gland production of epinephrine and norepinephrine.

All advertising agencies have an MR (Motivational Research) Department (e.g. the William Morris Agency). It offers incentives (e.g. free movie tickets) to two groups of volunteers. In both groups, the viewers are outfitted with what is essentially a glorified polygraph machine, which performs all the measurements indicated above. The first group is shown a movie with the embeds; the second group is shown the same movie without the embeds. Data is compared and embeds always win - hands down.

Scientists have documented that subliminally perceived information affects:

1- Dreams (Do you have crazy bizzare dreams that are totally unreflective of your conscious waking thoughts???) REM sleep appears solely to be comprised of subliminal perceptions. Eccl. 5:3 says “For a dream cometh through the multitude of business.” If your dreams are not reflective of your business, they are reflecting '$omeone' else's.

2- Speech (The embedded words will find their way into your thoughts and conversation. How often do we hear the word “sex” spoken, even in Christian circles? This would have been unheard of in the pre-advertising age of our grandparents.)

3- Purchasing behavior (When you think of doing something 'fun,' do you think of going on a picnic or going to Walmart?)

Further questions that we can explore if there is an interest:

What should I do to avoid subliminally embedded ideas?
What should I substitute in its place?
Why, after hearing the facts about subliminal embeds, does the average individual ignore and repress the facts?
Did God not warn us about such men?
Why is God exposing this?


nāšā' (H5377) = to beguile, deceive - Blue Letter Bible

 

[Armour of God]

 

[CrowCross]

6) I explain it to you, and then you discredit me again because you've already arrived at a conclusion that I'm not a credible source based on some misrepresentation of me that you created in your head three steps ago.

If you're flat earth....you're not credible when it comes to the geometry of the earth. Sorry.

There can't be a period of 24 hour long sun at the south pole on your flat earth. Proven.
On a flat earth Polaris can't be seen below the equator...unless you gotta really tall ladder. Proven.

 

[David in NJ]

If you're flat earth....you're not credible when it comes to the geometry of the earth. Sorry.

There can't be a period of 24 hour long sun at the south pole on your flat earth. Proven.
On a flat earth Polaris can't be seen below the equator...unless you gotta really tall ladder. Proven.

So you are a NASA globalist posing as a christian?

GOD made WATER for you to understand BUT you instead mock GOD/Genesis and His Law of Physics.

Furthermore, you disregard/mock any scriptures that expose your immaturity.

 

[Nathaniel]

Has anyone reading or participating in this thread been converted to the other side yet, for or against?

 

[Nathaniel]

So you are a NASA globalist posing as a christian?

GOD made WATER for you to understand BUT you instead mock GOD/Genesis and His Law of Physics.

Furthermore, you disregard/mock any scriptures that expose your immaturity.

"Posing as a Christian" is a bs comment.
You need to check yourself bro.

 

[David in NJ]

"Posing as a Christian" is a bs comment.
You need to check yourself bro.

Same for you and everyone.

This will be the third time I am coming to you. “By the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established.”
2I have told you before, and foretell as if I were present the second time, and now being absent I write to those who have sinned before, and to all the rest, that if I come again I will not spare— 3since you seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, who is not weak toward you, but mighty in you. 4For though He was crucified in weakness, yet He lives by the power of God. For we also are weak in Him, but we shall live with Him by the power of God toward you.

5Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified. 6But I trust that you will know that we are not disqualified.

Many on here claim they follow Christ but when the Scriptures are given, by which we are sanctified(John 17:17), many argue against God.

Mocking God's words are a sure sign that one is not "in the Faith".

 

[TLHKAJ]

If you're flat earth....you're not credible when it comes to the geometry of the earth. Sorry

Your geometry is based on numbers told to you by free masons. How can you, as a human, experientially verify what they're telling you, and that the numbers are accurate? You're not the Creator. God is ...and His Word is the place we should be looking for our foundation of belief.

 

[doctrox]

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Previously,

6) I explain it to you, and then you discredit me again because you've already arrived at a conclusion that I'm not a credible source based on some misrepresentation of me that you created in your head three steps ago.

Presently,

If you're flat earth....you're not credible when it comes to the geometry of the earth. Sorry.

"As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly." (Pro. 26:11). Yes, you are "sorry," because you're attacking a straw man that doesn't even exist. You're discrediting yourself, which is basically doublespeak. It's a textbook example of mind control in action.

There can't be a period of 24 hour long sun at the south pole on your flat earth.

At the least, your presumptive statement is conflicted. "The south pole," in the form you've been deceived into perceiving it, does not exist. It's just another NASA distortion piled onto your ball earth psyop to prop up the lie.

To be crystal,

Your geometry is based on numbers told to you by free masons.

Your ostensibly fair questions have been answered, repeatedly, but you are unable to process it.

The mind controlled do not know they are mind controlled. There is only One Way out, and few there be that find it (Mat. 7:14).

Has anyone reading or participating in this thread been converted to the other side yet, for or against?

Yes, and after 117,000 hits, no less. "But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light." (Eph. 5:13)

 

[David in NJ]

Has anyone reading or participating in this thread been converted to the other side yet, for or against?

How does a person, especially a 'christian', come to truthful discovery?

 

[doctrox]

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5Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?

It's tragic that this is not being done among professed believers. Beware, as opposed to today's "reckless love" meme, there is a limit to God's grace, a cutoff point:

"And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man..." (Gen. 6:3).

"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient" (Romans 1:28).

Many on here claim they follow Christ but when the Scriptures are given, by which we are sanctified(John 17:17), many argue against God.

Are they believers? or make-believers?

Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. (2 Cor. 4:1-4)

Mocking God's words are a sure sign that one is not "in the Faith".

100%.
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[Nathaniel]

Same for you and everyone.

This will be the third time I am coming to you. “By the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established.”
2I have told you before, and foretell as if I were present the second time, and now being absent I write to those who have sinned before, and to all the rest, that if I come again I will not spare— 3since you seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, who is not weak toward you, but mighty in you. 4For though He was crucified in weakness, yet He lives by the power of God. For we also are weak in Him, but we shall live with Him by the power of God toward you.

5Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified. 6But I trust that you will know that we are not disqualified.

Many on here claim they follow Christ but when the Scriptures are given, by which we are sanctified(John 17:17), many argue against God.

Mocking God's words are a sure sign that one is not "in the Faith".

You can believe whatever you want about the cosmos man. You can shout it from the rooftops. If you think you are called to argue all day long about this particular topic, then do your thing.
But when you start challenging another's salvation you have crossed a line.
That's not our call.
I didn't see the whole conversion, didn't need to, I saw your comment. Christ saw it too, and anyone else who might be coming here looking for Christ saw it.
Justify it if you will, it matters not to me.

 

[doctrox]

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So you are a NASA globalist posing as a christian?

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"Posing as a Christian" is a bs comment.
You need to check yourself bro.

As a fellow believer, I know enough of David in NJ's five-year history here to identify with his frustration. Note that he posted it as a rhetorical question and not as a statement of fact, in yet one more attempt to elicit a God-honoring response from a demonstrable NPC.

I didn't see the whole conversion [sic?]...

CrowCross has been over the top, but it worketh patience in some of us more than in others.

In fact, I have a legitimate question as to whether "he" is a mere troll, or something else altogether...

But when you start challenging another's salvation you have crossed a line.
That's not our call.

I agree. Yet in this silicon snakepit, David in NJ has been a gentleman at times when I have failed to be.
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[David in NJ]

You can believe whatever you want about the cosmos man. You can shout it from the rooftops. If you think you are called to argue all day long about this particular topic, then do your thing.
But when you start challenging another's salvation you have crossed a line.
That's not our call.
I didn't see the whole conversion, didn't need to, I saw your comment. Christ saw it too, and anyone else who might be coming here looking for Christ saw it.
Justify it if you will, it matters not to me.

Indeed the LORD Jesus Christ is seeing every word we speak!!!

#1 - Your globalists friends were the first to accuse us who believe the Word of God as being liars and un-christian!

You have not responded here in the love of Christ in your post here = "I didn't see the whole conversion, didn't need to"

The LORD Says, you need to!

Next time, before you speak, do your research in the conversations of the past.

Justify it if you will, it matters not to me.

It matters to Christ!!!

That matters to me and it should to you as well!

Is shouting from the roof tops promoting the deception from NASA, waking in the love of CHRIST???

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

 

[David in NJ]

You can believe whatever you want about the cosmos man. You can shout it from the rooftops. If you think you are called to argue all day long about this particular topic, then do your thing.
But when you start challenging another's salvation you have crossed a line.
That's not our call.
I didn't see the whole conversion, didn't need to, I saw your comment. Christ saw it too, and anyone else who might be coming here looking for Christ saw it.
Justify it if you will, it matters not to me.

Nathaniel,
What you have not seen is the many times i shared the love of Christ with Crosscrow and many on here.
Many many times i addressed Crosscrow as my brother in Christ.

But when 'christians' act and speak as those without God, with false accusations and mocking, then i no longer assume that they are walking with Christ = ESPECIALLY by how they respond with mocking to God's words!!!