A poor response to an atheist

[Riven]

If this vast, complex, fine-tuned universe is not enough evidence for the existence of God, what can satisfy them?

Proof that it was indeed the Christian God who created this universe. I can just as easily say that this universe was created by another god, or no gods at all, without providing any evidence, and it's still just your word against mine.

In short, atheists need to see an author's signature for the cosmos.

 

[Matthias]

Find the evidence that they require in order to believe and present it to them.

I posted a short video yesterday concerning why evidence alone isn’t enough. (See post #14.)

What evidence have you presented to them?

P.S.

Romans 1:18-23. They know God exists.

 

[Mancunian]

God's followers shouldn't have to provide evidence for God, he/she it could do that very easily their self.

 

[Riven]

What evidence have you presented to them?

None.

Romans 1:18-23. They know God exists.

Then why ask me about evidence?

 

[Matthias]

None.

Why haven’t you?

Then why ask me about evidence?

Because you commented that we need to find it and present it to them. The apostle has diagnosed the real issue.

 

[Riven]

Why haven’t you?

Because I don't have it to give.

Because you commented that we need to find it and present it to them. The apostle has diagnosed the real issue.

If you have the evidence, sure. But if you don't, why dismiss the atheist position as wrong? The apostle side stepped the issue entirely by claiming everyone "just knows".

I think the most honest Christian position would be: there is no evidence, hence why faith is required. Why is this not enough for Christians?

 

[Matthias]

Because I don't have it to give.

Well, I didn’t have that on my BINGO card.

If you have the evidence, sure. But if you don't, why dismiss the atheist position as wrong? The apostle side stepped the issue entirely by claiming everyone "just knows".

The apostle didn’t sidestep the issue. The Bible doesn’t sidestep the issue. The evidence is all around us.

I think the most honest Christian position would be: there is no evidence, hence why faith is required.

I’ve recommended many fine books on the subject of evidence.

Why is this not enough for Christians?

It ignores the evidence and presents a blind faith.

 

[Matthias]

As this short video clip from a former atheist discusses, a poor response to an atheist is a blind faith argument.

 

[Riven]

Well, I didn’t have that on my BINGO card.

You would play Bingo.

The apostle didn’t sidestep the issue. The Bible doesn’t sidestep the issue. The evidence is all around us.

He completely sidestepped it. If everyone "just knows", there's no need for any further investigation.

It ignores the evidence and presents a blind faith.

All faith is blind to a certain degree. You have faith that your spouse won't cheat on you. Or maybe you did, and now you don't.

 

[Matthias]

You would play Bingo.

It’s an idiom.

He completely sidestepped it.

He addressed it directly.

If everyone "just knows", there's no need for any further investigation.

There is. That is what Paul was doing on Mars Hill.

All faith is blind to a certain degree. You have faith that your spouse won't cheat on you. Or maybe you did, and now you don't.

 

[Matthias]

Find the evidence that they require in order to believe and present it to them.

Have you looked for it?

 

[Matthias]

He completely sidestepped it.

Do you think Paul himself argued for faith without evidence?

 

[Mancunian]

Ask James.