How can there be life after death?

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Riven

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Jesus is divine. What is the definition of divine?
Something that goes beyond human capability.

What was the level of divinity of the prophets, the apostles, and Pharaoh’s magicians?
None.

He, not just his body, was killed by the Romans. Jesus was dead. Jesus was made alive again. That’s resurrection.
I agree.

Believe it. Jesus preexisted his begetting. How is that possible? There are two ways, but it can’t have been both ways.
What are the two ways?
 

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It's the most honest one.

Which dictionary are you using?

They're all dead.

They are. Are they alive?

That's some divinity.

They were Godlike when they were alive. They will be Godlike again when they are resurrected.

Did Jesus exist before Abraham?

Yes.

If so, in what way?

Ideal preexistence - unless you believe Jesus was begotten before the Bible says he was begotten.

Book recommendation.

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Begotten.

The Bible does not state Mary's exact age when she gave birth to Jesus.
Based on historical context, Jewish marriage customs of the first century, and ancient traditions, most biblical scholars and historians estimate she was a teenager between 12 and 16 years old at the time of Jesus' birth (likely around 13 to 15 years old).

How nice.
 

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Ideal preexistence - unless you believe Jesus was begotten before the Bible says he was begotten.
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Nothing. I just got a little bored is all. Did I ever tell you I got kicked out of a Baptist school at the age of 4? :confused

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God -> unbegotten. Jesus -> begotten.

Jesus is before Abraham in position, not time.
 

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Knowing that the NT writers tell us that he was begotten, and knowing what being begotten means, what is your answer to your question? I’m asking you to tell me, Was Jesus created?

@Riven what - besides being a little bored, which I hope has now passed - is holding you back?
 

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“Moses thought that his own people would realize that God was using him to rescue them, but they did not.”

(Acts 7:25, NIV)

@Riven do you see what this has to do with Jesus?
 

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@Riven make up a story about Jesus for me. Make it as fantastic and as dazzling as you can. Wow me with your embellishment. Don’t hold anything back. Make it a doozy.

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(The joker’s story.)

Knock. Knock.

“Who’s there?”

“The Romans.”

“What do you want?”

“We’re here to torture you until we get the truth out of you about Jesus.”

“Whoa! I was just horsing around. I made up all that stuff about Jesus. I don’t believe a word of it.”

“Well knock it off. Some people might not know you’re conning them.”

“Sorry Romans. I was just having fun. I didn’t mean to mislead, hurt, or take advantage of anyone. I’m done with Jesus.”

P.S.

I don’t think I have to say it but I will -> the NT writers weren’t jokers. They didn’t embellish the story.

I don’t think you would be willing to be tortured or be killed for some wild story you concocted for me and knew wasn’t true.

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I think the trinity is very confusing to the human mind. So probably not.

You are correct, the trinity (sometimes also called the Godhead) is not to be understand, nobody can, no analogy applies, but it is true, just believe it, the Scriptures are full of it.

But there are well meaning Christians who reject the Godhead because they can not understand it and insist to understand, to no avail.
 

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Christians were persecuted for their faith. John the Baptist was imprisoned and beheaded (Matt. 14:1–11). Jesus was crucified. Stephen was stoned to death after his witness before the Sanhedrin (Acts 6–8). And Herod Agrippa killed James the brother of John (Acts 12:12), which led to the departure of the rest of the Twelve from Jerusalem. The first statewide persecution of Christians was under Nero (AD 64), as reported by Tacitus (Annals 15.44:2–5) and Suetonius (Nero 16.2). Although persecution was sporadic and local, from this point forward Christians could be arrested and killed for proclaiming the name of Jesus. And many of them were.
 

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Christians were persecuted for their faith. John the Baptist was imprisoned and beheaded (Matt. 14:1–11). Jesus was crucified. Stephen was stoned to death after his witness before the Sanhedrin (Acts 6–8). And Herod Agrippa killed James the brother of John (Acts 12:12), which led to the departure of the rest of the Twelve from Jerusalem. The first statewide persecution of Christians was under Nero (AD 64), as reported by Tacitus (Annals 15.44:2–5) and Suetonius (Nero 16.2). Although persecution was sporadic and local, from this point forward Christians could be arrested and killed for proclaiming the name of Jesus. And many of them were.

I vaguely remember I wrote a post about that :Broadly:
 

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You are correct, the trinity (sometimes also called the Godhead) is not to be understand, nobody can, no analogy applies, but it is true, just believe it, the Scriptures are full of it.

But there are well meaning Christians who reject the Godhead because they can not understand it and insist to understand, to no avail.
almost but not quite my friend . Those who reject the diety of Christ are not well meaning christains at all .
Now it is very TRUE that it sure can be hard to be understood .
but even when i clearly lacked the understanding , i did not go around
Denying the fact that The Word was G od . You see folks that do that
have a serious deadly problem my friend .
While its very true one who might not understand it , is not destined to hell at all .
IT is also very true THOSE WHO TWIST SCRIPS do so unto their own destruction .
So let that be clearly understood .
Some things may not be clearly understood in the bible and more so at the start is the case .
But one THING that all had better clearly understand is
WE DONT TWIST SCRIPS peroid . BELEIVE what is written EVEN IF it is not understood .
Understanding will come in time . BUT NEVER TWIST and omit what was written
to try and follow a teaching of men gone wrong .
SO allow me some parting words . IN the beginning was the WORD
and the Word was with GOD , all things were created by HIM
and without HIM was nothing made . And the WORD was GOD .
NOW THAT A FACT . However i do understand that might not be understood clearly and specially at the first .
But to twist that , IS DEADLY dangerous. To deny that is to deny HE who said
I AM ALPHA and OMEGA , the First and the last .
And i turned to see the voice that spoke to me and i seen one who had the appearnce as the Son of God .
And his first words to john were , fear not , I AM THE FIRST and the LAST .
Just a dire necessary reminder for us all , TO NOT TWIST anything written but rather beleive it
and pray for understanding .
 

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I vaguely remember I wrote a post about that :Broadly:
now lets address the question HOW can there be life after death .
And allow me to answer it with
THE SAME WAY there was even LIFE to begin with . GOD .
The question that begs to be asked is , HOW ON EARTH do we even have space , planets , perfect rotation
sun , moon , stars and even grass , trees , and life itself .
IF THERE WAS NOT CREATOR to create and give LIFE .
These athiests and others need a wake up call .
Go ahead and answer all day .
Science does not hold the answer .
Some cling to big bang . To which i say , OKAY but what created that .
SO they answer about molecules and etc
TO which i say , okay BUT what created that .
And HOW on earth did even the concept of our time even begin . because what was before that .
And on and on it goes .
But here is a real simple answer . GOD has always been and in a time that we cannot truly graps .
A time that never had a beginning . A time that does not compute to what we see Time as being .
HE just always was . And you cannot get LIFE from no life .
GOD is LIFE and he created by ALL BY HIS WORD < JESUS THE CHRIST . a mystery i kn ow
BUT VERY TRUE IT IS .
 
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Christians were persecuted for their faith. John the Baptist was imprisoned and beheaded (Matt. 14:1–11). Jesus was crucified. Stephen was stoned to death after his witness before the Sanhedrin (Acts 6–8). And Herod Agrippa killed James the brother of John (Acts 12:12), which led to the departure of the rest of the Twelve from Jerusalem. The first statewide persecution of Christians was under Nero (AD 64), as reported by Tacitus (Annals 15.44:2–5) and Suetonius (Nero 16.2). Although persecution was sporadic and local, from this point forward Christians could be arrested and killed for proclaiming the name of Jesus. And many of them were.
and by means of a highly powerful AI led digital system , many christains will soon again be persecuted for the faith .
Cause anyone who agrees not to the all inclusive god , who is satan , is gonna be cast out
unable to buy or to sell in the digital system . AI . what can it do .
WELL AI can generate any image that can speak .
I SEEN this done on stage . A lady came up and then AN AI image of her appeared
and it spoke in any language .
Now what else can AI do . You know darn well it can read and monitor anything written on a computer or any device .
And it can record any phone call . And it darn sure can route it to a data base .
How do you think they have been also infiltrating .
So lets examine that shall we . You have An image , it can speak
and it can cause those whose langauge is deemed as extremist , and put such into a database
and route it to any local police station . Then later houses can be surrouned
with a bull horn outside saying come out with hands up you are deemed a potential terroist
and we are here to detain you and send you to ...................
AND NOW A WORD from that bible you all seem to think is fairy dust .
AND HE HAD POWER to give LIFE unto the image of the beast so that the image COULD SPEAK
and cause that as many as would not worship the beast to be KILLED .
HELLO , after nearly two thousand years ago , WE cAN SEE THIS NOW .
MY advice to YOU , get in the bible and BELIEVE ON JESUS .
 
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Christians were persecuted for their faith. John the Baptist was imprisoned and beheaded (Matt. 14:1–11). Jesus was crucified. Stephen was stoned to death after his witness before the Sanhedrin (Acts 6–8). And Herod Agrippa killed James the brother of John (Acts 12:12), which led to the departure of the rest of the Twelve from Jerusalem. The first statewide persecution of Christians was under Nero (AD 64), as reported by Tacitus (Annals 15.44:2–5) and Suetonius (Nero 16.2). Although persecution was sporadic and local, from this point forward Christians could be arrested and killed for proclaiming the name of Jesus. And many of them were.
0h , i did not finish .
Lets do this again . And he had POWER to give LIFE unto the image
so that the image could SPEAK and cause that as many as would not worship
the image of the beast to be killed .
AND
he causes all both small and great , free and bond , to receive a mark in his right hand or forehead
that no man could BUY OR SELL save HE had the mark .
GUESS WHAT WILL CONTROL the DIGITAL SYSTEM .
AI will .
Guess what even they have said about such a system .
THAT It can be used to cut people out and they would be unable to BuY or sell .
AND YOU THINK the bible is f ake . THEY WROTE THIS TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO man .
 
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Can you tell me how your physical body functions differently to your spiritual body?
First you need to know that atheists will not even have a spiritual body. They will end up in the LAKE OF FIRE—to be blotted out of existence at the Second Death. Believers, on the other hand, will exist eternally in spiritual bodies that never get old, never experience pain or sorrow.
 
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