Conversation with An Atheist

[RandyDawson]

I'm an agnostic atheist. Belief is for believers.

Agnostic atheists don't hang out on Christians forums talking about the things of God.

Something is up with you. You must be a believer deep down, otherwise you would not be here.

 

[amigo de christo]

So how do children become Christian?

We all know why children become Christian, we know why children become Muslim, we know how children become Hindu.

In a few words they follow their various religions because trusted people spoon feed it to them.
If it was just the realisation that a God must exist then we'd all be in agreement.

So its obvious you have heard about Jesus Christ and yet do not Believe his gospel .
You cannot claim ignorance that you never heard .
This will work to your destruction on JESUS day . And i cannot make you or anyone believe .
I can only point to Christ . Your blood will be upon you , unless you repent .
There is no need for me to continue this dialogue .

 

[LoveYeshua]

There's a difference in saying that a creator may well have existed or exists and having a 100% belief in a creator. I thought that I had explained this.
Atheism is a disbelief, I can't speak for all atheists but very few would say that a God definitely doesn't exist or has never existed. Many like me will stick their neck out and say that they're sure that the mainstream Gods that mankind worships don't exist based on evidence...

well many have had evidence, I did have evidence but I did believe fully before I saw what I saw and heard what I heard, and I am not alone. I will not say what as you would not believe anyways but can you tell me if you have read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? this is truly inportant and will explain when I have a reply from you.

 

[Wrangler]

I was saying that one would expect a God to be sensible and fair.
In other words... That's exactly what I would expect from a God, or a God that truly cares about mankind.
What I don't understand is why these verses are hidden deep within the Bible, and sometimes other verses supersede them?

Great question! The thing to keep in mind is that while the Bible was written FOR US, the Bible was not written TO US. It is written to a people, culture, race and sensibilities very different from 21st century Americans.

There is an account of a prophet of YHWH having a competition with 400 prophets of Baal to start a fire. It might seem petty and showy by our standards but to people who believed in regional gods, it showed YHWH was more powerful - a god among (false) gods. In other threads, I’ve written about how modern Christendom has become feminized and over-spiritualized. To the ancients, practical power over life and death meant more than us today who have all of our creature comforts met.

 

[Mancunian]

well many have had evidence, I did have evidence but I did believe fully before I saw what I saw and heard what I heard, and I am not alone. I will not say what as you would not believe anyways but can you tell me if you have read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? this is truly inportant and will explain when I have a reply from you.

Yes I have.

 

[RandyDawson]

the Bible was not written TO US

It was certainly written to me! I'm in a blood covenant relationship with the Father through Jesus Christ so all those instructions and warnings, and God's wisdom are for me as a member of the Body of Christ!

 

[LoveYeshua]

Yes I have.

These four contain the words of Christ that did received all authority in Heaven and on Earth, His words Eternal Life and are certain and are very clear except some of his parables that certain unbelievers cannot understand.

Now ill tell you that John 17 tells us what we shall become, read it with an opened heart. after all Why would GOD have made us in his Image? if you want to know GOD study Jesus, we can see he is the most loving God, yes Jesus is God and One with GOD. He left his precious words in these 4 books and a few more from his disciples.

 

[Mancunian]

So its obvious you have heard about Jesus Christ and yet do not Believe his gospel .
You cannot claim ignorance that you never heard .
This will work to your destruction on JESUS day . And i cannot make you or anyone believe .
I can only point to Christ . Your blood will be upon you , unless you repent .
There is no need for me to continue this dialogue .

Why are you so scared of death? Keep wrapping yourself up in your comfort blanket and pretend it's not going to happen. If that makes you happy carry on, but stop pushing nonsense onto children. They deserve better information than the utter hogwash they're being spoon feed by well meaning adults.
Children the world over are subjected to this fear mongering. It's wrong.

 

[amigo de christo]

Why are you so scared of death? Keep wrapping yourself up in your comfort blanket and pretend it's not going to happen. If that makes you happy carry on, but stop pushing nonsense onto children. They deserve better information than the utter hogwash they're being spoon feed by well meaning adults.
Children the world over are subjected to this fear mongering. It's wrong.

I aint scared of death . HE who beleives on JESUS shall never die . Only the body .
But speaking of death , You better be terrified . cause if you think a dirt nap is all that is in store for you ,
You aint heard of the SECOND death . It aint gonna be just like g oing to sleep for you .
Much wailing , and worse you gonna realize too late , why o why did i love my life in this world so much
that i kept rejecting JESUS . The absolute worst feeling is
REALIZING something is TRUE , ONLY ITS TOO LATE . That i wish upon none . But you have literally
no idea the wrath you are heaping up upon yourself .
You probably had be tter morals than what i once did too . God saved me , one of the worst .
YOU keep rejecting . And unlike most here i aint gonna just hug ya to the lake of fire . I gonna warn you .
But i aint gonna just keep on debating with you .
If after the first or second warning the hertick wont hear , MOVE ON , reject such , he condemns himself .

 

[Marvelloustime]

I aint scared of death . HE who beleives on JESUS shall never die . Only the body .
But speaking of death , You better be terrified . cause if you think a dirt nap is all that is in store for you ,
You aint heard of the SECOND death . It aint gonna be just like g oing to sleep for you .
Much wailing , and worse you gonna realize too late , why o why did i love my life in this world so much
that i kept rejecting JESUS . The absolute worst feeling is
REALIZING something is TRUE , ONLY ITS TOO LATE . That i wish upon none . But you have literally
no idea the wrath you are heaping up upon yourself .
You probably had be tter morals than what i once did too . God saved me , one of the worst .
YOU keep rejecting . And unlike most here i aint gonna just hug ya to the lake of fire . I gonna warn you .
But i aint gonna just keep on debating with you .
If after the first or second warning the hertick wont hear , MOVE ON , reject such , he condemns himself .

@amigo de christo

 

[Mancunian]

@amigo de christo
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I ask again. Saved to what and where? For what purpose?
Millions of years of total boredom?
Millions upon millions of years of what exactly?
If you can possibly answer this in your OWN words, that'd be good.

 

[amigo de christo]

I ask again. Saved to what and where? For what purpose?
Millions of years of total boredom?
Millions upon millions of years of what exactly?
If you can possibly answer this in your OWN words, that'd be good.

According to whom was it millions . man . his religion of evolution .
And before you even t ry and say evolution is not a relgion , take a seat .
In every religon , the many false or the one true one , its a concept of HOW this world came to be .
The false religoins also beleive in a god that created it .
And evolution in a god of forces and that is how it came into existance .
OH its a religon all right , a false one too , just like all other religions , cept The one true religion
of the one true God that points to HIS SON .

 

[Wrangler]

I ask again. Saved to what and where? For what purpose?

This line of questioning has been answered over and OVER again; The purpose of our lives is to glorify God, no matter what we do or where we do it.

Whether we are a carpenter in the Middle East of the 1st century, a shepherd in the 10th century BC or an IT guy in today’s America’s Silicon Valley or Wall Street investor, our purpose is to love God with all your heart, all your soul and all your might.(One could say, it’s not about WHAT we do but HOW we do it.)

Millions of years of total boredom?
Millions upon millions of years of what exactly?

What contemptuous and solipsistic questions! Given that a child of God is devoted to God’s glory, there is no possibility of being bored in living out our purpose. As far as exactly what we’ll do, it’s irrelevant. Paul’s wrote of this Romans 14:8 (CEV)
Whether we live or die, it must be for the Lord. Alive or dead, we still belong to the Lord.

I know this Appeal to Ignorance strikes you as a great question, with a dash of humility one might realize we don’t need to know; The knowledge would not change your decision to accept or reject God’s grace. You’re falling for Original Sin all over again!

The hubris to demand God treat us as a god, submitting to our will, providing all the knowledge we prefer to have is proof your deserved death cannot be averted by God’s grace. With tears in my eyes, I bid you adieu and lament your evil choice to forsake THE Creator.

It’s important to note the agnostic-atheist failure mode here. In the moment of truth, the question before the council on Judgment Day is did we submit to God? It’s not about knowledge but a soul so marked by that choice that it’s plain to see for all where no one can deny - just as no one cannot deny a body so marked by the choice to over eat.

We have enough information, enough knowledge to render a verdict in faith. Luke 16:27-31. As the Crusader said in Indiana Jones, choose carefully.

 

[Mancunian]

This line of questioning has been answered over and OVER again.

No it hasn't.
Why can't you answer the question.... It's quite a simple question.

What do you think that your eternal life will entail?
Saying that you'll be glorifying God doesn't answer the question... Saying that you'll be serving God as a part of his government doesn't answer the question.

What will you actually be doing for billions upon billions of years?

How do you know that it will be blissful? You have no experience of living for eternity, it could be torturous for all you know.

If you're just there spiritualally mindlessly worshipping forever, I don't really see the appeal, or the point for that matter.

 

[Wrangler]

No it hasn't.
Why can't you answer the question.... It's quite a simple question

Yes, I’ve answered this question repeatedly, You just ignore the answer,

 

[LoveYeshua]

I ask again. Saved to what and where? For what purpose?
Millions of years of total boredom?
Millions upon millions of years of what exactly?
If you can possibly answer this in your OWN words, that'd be good.

Don't be silly. As for the purpose , I gave you the answer, its in John 17!, eternal boredom? really? God has a plan and many others for us in store, want to be part of it?

It is God who calls and decides not us, but at least read the books I asked you to; John, Mark, Matthew and Luke but with an opened mind and you may find the truth to your questions. Jesus said many things but bot everything as he said;

Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.

Jhn 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall take of mine, and shall declare it unto you.

Jhn 16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he taketh of mine, and shall declare it unto you.

 

[Wrangler]

Millions upon millions of years of what exactly?

You imply that your faith hinges on this question. IF an angel from heaven came to you and spelled out the details, then you'd believe or would you just contemptuously argue that is boring and not worth your precious time?

Honestly, you come across like an immature person, a spoiled brat. Dad tells you he planned a grand vacation. You fold your arms and demand details or you're not going to go.

Are you married? Got friends? Close family? I like to just spend time with these people; what we do is secondary to doing life together. Do you demand that every minute with your social network is on a strict itinerary?

 

[CrowCross]

I ask again. Saved to what and where? For what purpose?
Millions of years of total boredom?
Millions upon millions of years of what exactly?
If you can possibly answer this in your OWN words, that'd be good.

Well, at least you won't be bored in hell.

You'll be living your life just the way you want to...with no interference from God.

 

[Mancunian]

You imply that your faith hinges on this question. IF an angel from heaven came to you and spelled out the details, then you'd believe or would you just contemptuously argue that is boring and not worth your precious time?

Honestly, you come across like an immature person, a spoiled brat. Dad tells you he planned a grand vacation. You fold your arms and demand details or you're not going to go.

Are you married? Got friends? Close family? I like to just spend time with these people; what we do is secondary to doing life together. Do you demand that every minute with your social network is on a strict itinerary?

You have no idea what you are signed up to.
Of course I'd need to know what an eternity of life would entail. I don't know why you find it difficult to understand about that.

 

[Mancunian]

Well, at least you won't be bored in hell.

You'll be living your life just the way you want to...with no interference from God.

Good.