Poll. Will we be judged when we die?

[RandyDawson]

I believe that both believers and non-believers will undergo God’s judgment, because in my view this is a necessary process. Without going through this process, no one can truly grow up and become an adult instead of remaining an infant forever. In my view, no one can say, “I fully understand and comprehend God’s words and wisdom.”

Yeah but can you show from the bible where God said this?

In other word, what is your belief based on? Feelings, logic, or what God says in the bible?

 

[soberxp]

Yeah but can you show from the bible where God said this?

In other word, what is your belief based on? Feelings, logic, or what God says in the bible?

Because the Bible says, “Do you not know that we will judge angels?” Or do you think that we, as believers, can judge angels, so does this sentence mean that judgment is only the judgment of angels? Because the words do not mention any beings other than angels?

 

[RandyDawson]

Because the Bible says, “Do you not know that we will judge angels?” Or do you think that we, as believers, can judge angels, so does this sentence mean that judgment is only the judgment of angels? Because the words do not mention any beings other than angels?

What scripture references are those?

Can you provide book, chapter, and verse please so people can read it for themselves?

We need to see it in God's book and not just take someone's word for it. Thanks.

 

[soberxp]

What scripture references are those?

Can you provide book, chapter, and verse please so people can read it for themselves?

We need to see it in God's book and not just take someone's word for it. Thanks.

1Cor

6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?


6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

 

[RandyDawson]

OK good, now where does the Lord say He will judge people after they die?

 

[RLT63]

OK good, now where does the Lord say He will judge people after they die?

Hebrews 9:27
27 And in as much as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,

 

[RandyDawson]

Great, thanks!

 

[RLT63]

12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books according to their deeds.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. Rev20:12-13

 

[soberxp]

OK good, now where does the Lord say He will judge people after they die?

The Lord didn't say he will judge people,
John 12:47
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

 

[RandyDawson]

The Lord didn't say he will judge people,
John 12:47
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

John 5:22-23 - For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son

 

[RLT63]

The Lord didn't say he will judge people,
John 12:47
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

47 “If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 “He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.

 

[RandyDawson]

47 “If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 “He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.

Yes and then Jesus said

John 5:22-23 - For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son

While Jesus was in His earthly ministry His goal was to get people to repent and become believers.
B ut in the end He, as the Word of God, will sit in judgement

 

[prism]

Didn't Jesus die for the whole world? What decided the difference between those who go to heaven and those who don't? Those saved, and those not? Those who go with Jesus when He comes, and those who cry out to the rocks and mountains to fall on them?

Did Jesus die for the whole world? Scripture seems to indicate otherwise...

John 6:44-45 NKJV
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. [45] It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.
Romans 9:18 NKJV
Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

 

[PinSeeker]

Hey Pin, thank you for your opinion

Same to you, Dry. <smile>

...is that Paul or Peter who Christ chose ?

Yes. <smile>

Gal 2:7-9
Who are you in those verses ?
Who do those verses teach is the apostle to teach you the Gospel ?

<chuckles> Those verses, Dry, do not teach ~ if this is your understanding ~ that any of us, circumcised or uncircumcised, are to listen to one (Paul or Peter) and not listen to the other. What Paul is saying there in Galatians 2 is that one was given one mission and the other was given another in that day, and together their mission was to proclaim the Gospel ~ the same Gospel, of course; there is only one ~ to all people. And we are not apostles, of course, but this is our continuing mission, even in our day, to ~ proclaim the Good News of Christ Jesus. As Jesus said to all of His disciples and the apostles, and to all of us by extension, after His resurrection and before His ascension in Matthew 28 (vv.19-20), "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

Yeah, again, Paul surely was not saying to Gentiles, "listen to what I say, and not Peter." Likewise, he was not saying to Jews, "listen to what Peter and/or John and/or James says and not me." Both are ridiculous suppositions... wrong understandings.

Grace and peace to you, Dry. <smile>

 

[Dryhn]

Same to you, Dry. <smile>


Yes. <smile>


<chuckles> Those verses, Dry, do not teach ~ if this is your understanding ~ that any of us, circumcised or uncircumcised, are to listen to one (Paul or Peter) and not listen to the other. What Paul is saying there in Galatians 2 is that one was given one mission and the other was given another in that day, and together their mission was to proclaim the Gospel ~ the same Gospel, of course; there is only one ~ to all people. And we are not apostles, of course, but this is our continuing mission, even in our day, to ~ proclaim the Good News of Christ Jesus. As Jesus said to all of His disciples and the apostles, and to all of us by extension, after His resurrection and before His ascension in Matthew 28 (vv.19-20), "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

Yeah, again, Paul surely was not saying to Gentiles, "listen to what I say, and not Peter." Likewise, he was not saying to Jews, "listen to what Peter and/or John and/or James says and not me." Both are ridiculous suppositions... wrong understandings.

Grace and peace to you, Dry. <smile>

Gal 2:7-9
Who are you ? :)
Who has the role to teach you ? :)
2 easy questions to answer when ready :)

 

[PinSeeker]

Gal 2:7-9
Who are you ? :)
Who has the role to teach you ? :)
2 easy questions to answer when ready :)

It should be quite obvious to you by now that I would never be... "ready" ... to answer either question in the way you erroneously think they should be answered, Dry. <smile>

Read that passage again, especially this part: "I had been entrusted with the Gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the Gospel to the circumcised..." Paul and Peter preached to different groups of folks, but they were both entrusted with and proclaimed the same Gospel (of which there is but one) <smile>.

Even as for Peter, specifically, we know from his greetings at the beginning of 1st Peter and 2nd Peter that those letters were not written exclusively to Jews.

So, we can learn much from both regardless of ethnicity, and, even so, our real Teacher, though, is the Holy Spirit, Who, as Jesus said in John 14, is our Helper, Who brings to our remembrance all He has said.

I mean by all means keep up your little "crusade" if you must, but I would recommend against it... <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Dryhn]

It should be quite obvious to you by now that I would never be... "ready" ... to answer either question in the way you erroneously think they should be answered, Dry. <smile>

Read that passage again, especially this part: "I had been entrusted with the Gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the Gospel to the circumcised..." Paul and Peter preached to different groups of folks, but they were both entrusted with and proclaimed the same Gospel (of which there is but one) <smile>.

Even as for Peter, specifically, we know from his greetings at the beginning of 1st Peter and 2nd Peter that those letters were not written exclusively to Jews.

So, we can learn much from both regardless of ethnicity, and, even so, our real Teacher, though, is the Holy Spirit, Who, as Jesus said in John 14, is our Helper, Who brings to our remembrance all He has said.

I mean by all means keep up your little "crusade" if you must, but I would recommend against it... <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

Gal 2:7-9 is too difficult for you, got it :)

 

[PinSeeker]

Gal 2:7-9 is too difficult for you, got it :)

Yeah, no telling what else you... "got"... <chuckles>

Yeah, so, not "too difficult," but really the opposite... Actually, I did answer your first question ("circumcised or uncircumcised") several posts ago in post 128, but the second question ("Who has the role to teach you?") is just tin-headed, really... way too simple. As I said, the apostles were called to minister to different groups of people, but not to teach different things, and we, regardless of ethnicity, can learn a great deal from all of them. It's God's Word, after all. As Paul says, "All of Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God..." regardless of ethnicity <smile> "...may be complete, equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3), as I alluded to earlier.

But yeah, no telling what else is going on in that head of yours... <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Moonwood]

Will we be judged when we die?​

I answered "yes" for the following reasons.

There are, in a sense, two stages associated with resurrection (Revelation 20:5-6; Revelation 20:14). The first begins when death separates the soul from the body and the soul comes before God for its personal judgment (Hebrews 9:27; 2 Corinthians 5:8-10; Luke 16:22-23). Yet this is not the full restoration of the human person, because the soul remains apart from the body. The spirit continues to exist while awaiting the future reunion of body and soul, restoring the living temple God created in His image and likeness (Romans 8:23; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Genesis 1:26-27; Philippians 3:20-21).

Because man was created as both body and spirit, death leaves that union temporarily incomplete (Genesis 2:7; 1 Thessalonians 5:23). The final state of every person, whether eternal life in God's kingdom or eternal separation from Him, is ultimately experienced as a complete human being, body and soul together (Matthew 25:34, 41; Colossians 1:12-13; Daniel 12:2).

This helps explain the biblical references to a first and second resurrection (Revelation 20:5-6). Those who have remained spiritually dead through sin come before God in that condition at their personal judgment (Ephesians 2:1-5; 1 Timothy 5:6; John 5:24-25). At the final resurrection they receive their bodies again and enter into the everlasting consequences of that state (John 5:28-29; Daniel 12:2; Revelation 20:12-15).

Those who have sought God and overcome the desires of the flesh come before Him spiritually alive and enter into the blessedness of Paradise (Romans 8:13; Galatians 5:24; Philippians 1:21-23; Luke 23:43). Souls undergoing purification are likewise alive, though still being perfected (1 Corinthians 3:13-15; Wisdom 3:1-6). Once that purification is complete, they enter fully into God's presence (Revelation 21:27; Matthew 5:26).

When the final resurrection occurs, the righteous will be reunited with their bodies, which will be transformed and glorified, sharing fully in the life that Christ Himself possesses (1 Corinthians 15:42-53; Philippians 3:21; 1 John 3:2).

For this reason Scripture speaks of both a first and second death and a first and second resurrection (Revelation 2:11; Revelation 20:5-6, 14; Revelation 21:8). God desires every person to come into eternal possession of the Light, for God Himself is Light (1 John 1:5; John 3:19-21; Deuteronomy 30:19). His grace assists and invites, but each person must freely respond (Philippians 2:12-13; Revelation 3:20; Matthew 23:37).

God remains faithful (2 Timothy 2:13; 1 Corinthians 1:9) and respects the freedom He has given to humanity (Sirach 15:14-17; Joshua 24:15; Galatians 5:13). Because human beings are free, they are accountable for how they use that freedom and are called to choose love, gratitude, and obedience toward God (Deuteronomy 6:5; Sirach 15:11-20; Romans 6:12-13).

For those who persevere in righteousness, an eternal home has been prepared in God's presence, where they may share forever in His blessedness (John 14:2-3; Matthew 25:34; Revelation 21:3-7).

In summary, death is followed by a personal judgment of the soul (Hebrews 9:27; 2 Corinthians 5:10), while the resurrection described in John 5:28-29 takes place later, when body and soul are reunited and all stand before God in their complete humanity.

 

[Dryhn]

Yeah, no telling what else you... "got"... <chuckles>

Yeah, so, not "too difficult," but really the opposite... Actually, I did answer your first question ("circumcised or uncircumcised") several posts ago in post 128, but the second question ("Who has the role to teach you?") is just tin-headed, really... way too simple. As I said, the apostles were called to minister to different groups of people, but not to teach different things, and we, regardless of ethnicity, can learn a great deal from all of them. It's God's Word, after all. As Paul says, "All of Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God..." regardless of ethnicity <smile> "...may be complete, equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3), as I alluded to earlier.

But yeah, no telling what else is going on in that head of yours... <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

Regarding Gal 2:7-9
Who are you in those verses ?
Who is the Apostle to teach you the Gospel ?

You seem to unable to answer simple questions so let me help you

I am the gentile/heathen in those verses
Paul is the Apostle to teach me the Gospel

See, so ez :)