How many coming of Jesus?

[Fred J]

i perceive in my spirit that many believers are divided by this subject since many versions have come out of it.

Nevertheless, for All Scripture = Holy Bible to which that are not tangible, will knock em all out of the ballpark and have a home run.

Matthew 24: 3, the disciples inquire Jesus what will be the sign of His coming, besides at present He's come, about His second coming apparently.

Acts 1: 11, The angels themselves assured the disciples that the same way Jesus went, and the same way He shall retutrn.

Matthew 24: 30, Jesus gives the sign of His second coming, where the world, Israel and the church will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven.

Not only that, He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather 'only' His elect/church.

1 Thessalonians 4: 16, we have the same in parallel, 'with a blast of the trumpet of GOD, the dead in Christ will rise first.

Then those living and ready by faith as the 5 virgins, shall simultaneously be caught up along with in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

And so always they shall be with the Lord!

Revelation 20: 6, is parallel to the above sentence, that blessed and holy is the person who takes part in the first resurrection!

Over them the second death exerts no power or authority, even though second death shall come after the thousand years were completed, for those who are not written in the Book of Life.

To conclude, His second coming is on the clouds and in the sky, where the elects/church, lastly the Apostles(Matthew20:16), shall be caught up and brought to Heaven for eternity.

Even second death after the millennium were completed, have no power and authority over them anymore, but henceforth only on those who are not written in the Book of Life.

Which take place on the 'second resurrection' either unto life or damnation, where there'll be a great white throne, and there'll be the dead, great and small who'll be judged.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

Now about His third coming;

Revelation 19:
14. And the troops of Heaven, clothed in fine linen, dazzling and clean, followed Him on white horses.

19. Then I saw the beast and the rulers and leaders of the earth with their troops mustered to go into battle and make war against Him Who is mounted on the horse and against His troops.

To conclude, based on above quotes, the battle between The Word of God with His troops and the beast, the rulers and leaders of the earth with their troops, took place on earth.

Therefore justifies His third coming, where with His troops, they stepped foot on this earth for the battle.

Moreover, all the birds that fly across the sky were called to gather together for the great supper of GOD. (vs.17)

And for them to feast on the flesh of generals and captains, the flesh of mighty and powerful men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all humanity, both free and slave, both small and great. (vs.18&21)

Finally, the beast and the false prophet were hurled alive into the feiry lake that burns and blazes with brimstone. (vs.20)

And satan who possessed the beast became on his own, and he was then bound with a great chain and hurled into the bottomles pit for a thousand years. (ch.20,vs.1-3)

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

About His forth coming;

There's no account of where the great white throne judgement will take place. (Revelation 20:11)

 

[Davy]

To conclude, His second coming is on the clouds and in the sky, where the elects/church, lastly the Apostles(Matthew20:16), shall be caught up and brought to Heaven for eternity.

That idea suggests that Christ never reaches the earth with His elect at His descent, when God's Word states that He does (Zechariah 14; Acts 1; Psalms 2; 1 Thessalonians 4).

Men's false Pre-trib Rapture theory is especially responsible for that false tradition of thinking Lord Jesus comes on a cloud, hanging in the sky, collecting His Church, and then putting it in reverse and going back into Heaven with them. That idea is nowhere written. It instead omits a multitude of Bible Scripture that shows Lord Jesus when He comes to gather His saints will descend to this earth, and His feet will touch down upon the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, with all His faithful elect that waited on Him.

What primitive minds that follow men's doctrines don't understand is what Apostle Paul plainly showed with what happens on the "last trump" (7th Trumpet) of 1 Corinthians 15. All... will be changed to their spiritual body at the sounding of that "last trump". Isaiah 25, where Paul quoted about death being swallowed up in victory, includes that future change upon ALL nations and peoples. And the kicker is, that the "spiritual body" is a Heavenly type body. Jesus said those of the resurrection are as the angels of God in Heaven.

So with Jesus' feet touching down upon this earth, at the Mount of Olives as written, with all His elect Church, that means Heaven is going to manifest RIGHT HERE, ON EARTH. Jesus' reign will begin ON EARTH, and it will begin the return of God's River and Tree of Life of Genesis 2, while He rules over ALL nations, on earth.

God created this earth to be lived upon. And He moved His Heavenly Abode off this earth per the end of Genesis 3 after Adam and Eve sinned. He was once living here ON EARTH with His Garden of Eden (Paradise in the Greek Septuagint). He is coming back to this earth, starting with His Son Jesus Christ.

 

[Fred J]

1 Thessalonians 4).

Idea?

Ouote from what you gave as above, where does it say He came with His elect and He stepped foot with them on earth?

 

[Sel@h]

Greetings, @Fred J — Brother, there are only two comings of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Zechariah 14:4 (NKJV) And in that Day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, [Making] a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.

This takes place on the Day of the Lord when Jesus returns. This is the Second Coming of Christ. God is going to shake the earth and send fire and brimstone upon it. Earthquakes will level the cities until not one stone remains upon another. The mountains will tremble, and the Mount of Olives will split in two. Prophecies about Christ’s return involving Mount Zion and the Mount of Olives will be fulfilled. This is where Christ’s feet will touch the earth when He returns.

You can also read about this event in Matthew 24:2:
Matthew 24:1-2 (NKJV) 1 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not [one] stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

 

[soberxp]

Greetings, @Fred J —

You can also read about this event in Matthew 24:2:
Matthew 24:1-2 (NKJV) 1 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not [one] stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

 

[Fred J]

Greetings, @Fred J — Brother, there are only two comings of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Zechariah 14:4 (NKJV) And in that Day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, [Making] a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.

This takes place on the Day of the Lord when Jesus returns. This is the Second Coming of Christ. God is going to shake the earth and send fire and brimstone upon it. Earthquakes will level the cities until not one stone remains upon another. The mountains will tremble, and the Mount of Olives will split in two. Prophecies about Christ’s return involving Mount Zion and the Mount of Olives will be fulfilled. This is where Christ’s feet will touch the earth when He returns.

You can also read about this event in Matthew 24:2:
Matthew 24:1-2 (NKJV) 1 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not [one] stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

Sadly you're 'shortsighted' like Davy and running off your mouth in vain, figuratively speaking.

What i started on this given thread of mine, have explained with supporting scripture quotes His number of comings.

i totally disagree with your version too which is bizzare like Davy's.

No, thank you

 

[Taken]

How many coming of Jesus?​

OF Jesus?
From where to where?

One CAME…Called the Son of man….
that human men on Earth could See.
He came HUMBLY.

One RETURNS…Same Likeness, Son of man…
that human men can See.
He returns with POWER.

Son of man Came to a specific Place…
Bethlehem…
and the news spread quickly by word of mouth.

Son of man Returns to a specific Place…
White Cloud…
and ALL (humans & departed souls) “BELOW” can LOOK upward and SEE Him.


This is in “Context”…
Meaning…
The Word of God, has HAD numerous …
“Titles and Descriptions and One Name,
Throughout History”.

Aside from what one has Learned, through “History of the “Son of this Man”…
It is He who came…to be seen and heard.
It is He who left…
It is He who returns…to be seen by All below.

Because throughout History, Some men,
Believed, Surrendered unto Him, died, Departed souls, resting In His Heavenly Kingdom Above the Earth…
(and His invisible holy angels)…
From ABOVE and They With Him (when He returns)…
Ofcourse SEE Him As He IS… Spirit…
While “they” Are invisible to the Humans Below the White Cloud, (on Earth).

Rev 14:
[14] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Looking UP…
Rev 1: (These are non committed believers on Earth…and deniers of the Earth , who will wail when they see Him).

[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye-shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Rev 5: (These are committed believers, above the Earth, unsaved believers on / under the Earth who see Him and Praise Him)

[13] And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Point…
All…
saved committed Believers…
Unsaved, non-Committed Believers…
Unsaved, non-Believers…
Depart-Ed souls…
Above / With Him/ Below…
Will ALL SEE Him…
(Which is Why it IS the “Son of man” that Must be the One who Returns…)

AND it is AT THAT Moment…
Believers, without Committment…
(Dead and Alive & departed souls)
are assured (by sight)
Praise Him.

And Deniers…
(Living, Dead & Departed souls)
are…uh oh, wailing, assured ( by sight)
Praise Him… ( but the dead, departed denier souls … oops, missed the Way, the Terms of Belief BEFORE Death.)

And … fulfilled IS Prophecy ALL Shall Yeild and Believe and Worship Him. (while yet All will not be saved).

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Sel@h]

Sadly you're 'shortsighted' like Davy and running off your mouth in vain, figuratively speaking.

What i started on this given thread of mine, have explained with supporting scripture quotes His number of comings.

i totally disagree with your version too which is bizzare like Davy's.

No, thank you

Fred, I am happy to discuss this topic with you, but I will not do so if you continue to be rude. We are discussing the Word of God, and it is contradictory of you to speak of our Savior while treating others without respect; I ask that you please speak with the kindness and humility that our faith requires. If you cannot engage with the text respectfully, I will consider my conversation with you closed.