How many coming of Jesus?

[Dryhn]

So don't call me rude!

I haven't yet but I will if you are without just cause.

 

[Fred J]

Heaven > clouds > Heaven > earth/land

Ascension > Rapture > elects were given white robes > battle with the beast, rulers and leaders, and their armies

Am i correct, this is what you're referring to?

 

[Stumpmaster]

i perceive in my spirit that many believers are divided by this subject since many versions have come out of it

Coming = singular = one.
Comings = plural = more than one.
Forth = forward.
Fourth = the number 4.

You got all those wrong. It happens. Thanks for reading these corrections.

 

[Fred J]

Fred, when you have 2 (3 counting me) seeing your comments as uncivil, it is time to listen if you want to encourage dialogue.

Now you're being uncivil, please take note of that.

Have i been uncivil to you?

i've been called rude, so what has this got to do with you or Dryhn?

Busybody is among murderer, thief etc. (1Peter4:15)

 

[Fred J]

I haven't yet but I will if you are without just cause.

Why are you a busybody, when this has nothing to do with you?

Stick to the topic or don't, or are you trolling?

 

[Fred J]

Coming = singular = one.
Comings = plural = more than one.
Forth = forward.
Fourth = the number 4.

You got all those wrong. It happens. Thanks for reading these corrections.

Point taken, sometime there's typo error

 

[CrowCross]

Not only that, He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather 'only' His elect/church.

1 Thessalonians 4: 16, we have the same in parallel, 'with a blast of the trumpet of GOD, the dead in Christ will rise first.

These are two different events...the trumpet of angels and the trumpet of God.

 

[Dryhn]

Why are you a busybody, when this has nothing to do with you?

Stick to the topic or don't, or are you trolling?

I'll determine what & when I respond to a topic & not you

 

[CrowCross]

i perceive in my spirit that many believers are divided by this subject since many versions have come out of it.

Nevertheless, for All Scripture = Holy Bible to which that are not tangible, will knock em all out of the ballpark and have a home run.

Matthew 24: 3, the disciples inquire Jesus what will be the sign of His coming, besides at present He's come, about His second coming apparently.

Acts 1: 11, The angels themselves assured the disciples that the same way Jesus went, and the same way He shall retutrn.

Matthew 24: 30, Jesus gives the sign of His second coming, where the world, Israel and the church will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven.

Not only that, He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather 'only' His elect/church.

1 Thessalonians 4: 16, we have the same in parallel, 'with a blast of the trumpet of GOD, the dead in Christ will rise first.

Then those living and ready by faith as the 5 virgins, shall simultaneously be caught up along with in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

And so always they shall be with the Lord!

Revelation 20: 6, is parallel to the above sentence, that blessed and holy is the person who takes part in the first resurrection!

Over them the second death exerts no power or authority, even though second death shall come after the thousand years were completed, for those who are not written in the Book of Life.

To conclude, His second coming is on the clouds and in the sky, where the elects/church, lastly the Apostles(Matthew20:16), shall be caught up and brought to Heaven for eternity.

Even second death after the millennium were completed, have no power and authority over them anymore, but henceforth only on those who are not written in the Book of Life.

Which take place on the 'second resurrection' either unto life or damnation, where there'll be a great white throne, and there'll be the dead, great and small who'll be judged.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

Actually Jesus returns twice...

Acts 1:
11“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.”

In verse 9 we see a description....9 After He had said this, they watched as He was taken up, and a cloud hid Him from their sight.

In 1 Thes 4 we read about the resurrection/rapture (caught up) event.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

Jesus simply ascended into the clouds...nothing spectacular. At the resurrection rapture event Jesus returns in the clouds the same way He left.

When we get to Rev 19 we see a different description of the return of Jesus....
11 Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12 He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.

In Mark 16:19–20; Luke 24:50–53 there is no mention of a white horse. if Jesus ascended into heaven on a white horse surely Luke or Mark would have mentioned it.

There are obviously 2 returns as two distinctly different description are provided in the bible to read.

The pre-trib return...
In Luke 17 Jesus provides a description and relates it to the days of Noah and Lot
26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27 People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28 It was the same in the days of Lot: People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But on the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

Jesus told us... "People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building." If you think about it if Jesus only returns once at the end of the great tribulation....considering what the world has just gone through I don't think people will be eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building. BUT...in the pre-trib return scenario it describes what it is like today...people ARE eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building.

 

[Fred J]

These are two different events...the trumpet of angels and the trumpet of God.

Point out the scriptures to make a point, thank you

 

[Fred J]

Anger with a cause is not subject to judgement
eg Matt 5:22
, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment

This wasn't the topic!

 

[Dryhn]

Point out the scriptures to make a point, thank you

Matt 24:31 - Angels gather the elect and take the where ?
1 Thess 4:16-17 past & alive saved meet in the clouds - no angels

 

[Fred J]

Matt 24:31 - Angels gather the elect and take the where ?
1 Thess 4:16-17 past & alive saved meet in the clouds - no angels

Which quote is the trumpet of angels?

Which quote is the trumpet of GOD?

Point out the two different events.

 

[Dryhn]

This wasn't the topic!

Yet it was your comments on this thread that I replied to :-

 

[Dryhn]

Which quote is the trumpet of angels?

Which quote is the trumpet of GOD?

Point out the two different events.

There are no angels involved in the 1 Thess 4:16-17 CAUGHT UP as there are in the Matt 24:31 GATHERING
CAUGHT UP - no angels used
GATHERING - angels used

Yet these are supposedly the same event

 

[Fred J]

Yet it was your comments on this thread that I replied to :-


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It wasn't addressed to you, why are you a bustbody, whom are among muderer, thief etc.?

 

[Dryhn]

It wasn't addressed to you, why are you a bustbody, whom are among muderer, thief etc.?

I decide who, what, when & if I respond, not you.

Compliments are a process of which you will waste your time with me

Now what Scripture related question would you like to ask ?

 

[Fred J]

There are no angels involved in the 1 Thess 4:16-17 CAUGHT UP as there are in the Matt 24:31 GATHERING
CAUGHT UP - no angels used
GATHERING - angels used

Yet these are supposedly the same event

The 4 Gospels are not written the same, yet they are put together as the one Gospel.

Similarly, in one Gospel is mentioned and in amother is not, but yet they're the same account.

 

[Fred J]

I decide who, what, when & if I respond, not you.

Compliments are a process of which you will waste your time with me

Now what Scripture related question would you like to ask ?

But you responded to my quote which was addressed to another, get the point?

 

[Dryhn]

The 4 Gospels are not written the same, yet they are put together as the one Gospel.

Similarly, in one Gospel is mentioned and in amother is not, but yet they're the same account.

The 4 Gospels are the gospels being taught in Gal 2:7-9 ? Really ?