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[WHO ME]

How can Paul or any other human being know if those who profess to believe in Christ have been born again?

Why would paul tell them that that if they become entangled again (2nd time)

That they have fallen from grace... can an unbeliever fall from grace?


If your entangled under the law and then you accept Christ and are no longer entangled.... then to be entangled again wouldnt that mean you went back under the law

 

[rwb]

Go by what paul says

Paul has no way of knowing who and who has not been born again! Only the Lord knows those who are eternally His.

John 10:14 (KJV) I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

John 10:27-28 (KJV) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

The knowledge the Lord has of His own is personal, intimate and foundational to His mission. He knows them before they know Him, calls them friends, and shares His Father’s business with them. This mutual knowledge is part of the very definition of eternal life in His relationship with believers. Both Father and Son share complete knowledge of those whom the Father has given to the Son, that is not accessible to anybody else.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

 

[rwb]

Why would paul tell them that that if they become entangled again (2nd time)

That they have fallen from grace... can an unbeliever fall from grace?


If your entangled under the law and then you accept Christ and are no longer entangled.... then to be entangled again wouldnt that mean you went back under the law

Because Paul has no way of knowing their heart, and whether or not they have been born again.

 

[WHO ME]

OSAS, a Satanic trap! A license to sin!

If those who believe osas had no knowledge of osas or no osas and came upon this verse they would of said... hey these people if they go back into bondage again will have fallen from grace.. they wouldnt believe osas but osas teachers got to them first as they did to me.... everyone who reads this knows what fallen from grace means..everyone

 

[WHO ME]

Because Paul has no way of knowing their heart, and whether or not they have been born again.

Then paul would not tell them to standfast in the liberty which has made us free and if they didnt they would fall from grace and Christ would Become of no effect to them....

 

[WHO ME]

Because Paul has no way of knowing their heart, and whether or not they have been born again.

If this is true then no one can call anyone a brother in Christ cause they cant know if thats true or not...... maybe your pastor isnt saved and you shouldnt listen to him since he might not be....maybe..maybe paul isnt saved either... maybe none of the writers in the bible are we cant know... its for certain that paul believes they are saved by what he says to them...

We can know them by their fruits cant we

 

[rwb]

Then paul would not tell them to standfast in the liberty which has made us free and if they didnt they would fall from grace and Christ would Become of no effect to them....

Why wouldn't Paul tell them to standfast in the liberty that the doctrine of Christ affords whosoever is born again? It is Christ who sets us free, and the law brings us back into bondage. Not knowing who is and who is not born again, it is only logical for Paul to warn them and us. Paul is after all seeking to build the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven through preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ.

 

[rwb]

If this is true then no one can call anyone a brother in Christ cause they cant know if thats true or not...... maybe your pastor isnt saved and you shouldnt listen to him since he might not be....maybe..maybe paul isnt saved either... maybe none of the writers in the bible are we cant know... its for certain that paul believes they are saved by what he says to them...

We can know them by their fruits cant we

Why can we not call one another who professes to believe in Christ a brother or sister? We certainly don't want to assume anyone who professes to believe in Christ has not been born again. We are not the judge. Yes, we can know THEM by their fruits, but even knowing them who profess to believe in Christ, we have no way of knowing who has been born again. Don't you think it's better to assume they have been born again, knowing that Christ alone judges the heart?

 

[Jack]

If those who believe osas had no knowledge of osas or no osas and came upon this verse they would of said... hey these people if they go back into bondage again will have fallen from grace.. they wouldnt believe osas but osas teachers got to them first as they did to me.... everyone who reads this knows what fallen from grace means..everyone

OSAS is nonsense!

 

[WHO ME]

Rwb says: Why can we not call one another who professes to believe in Christ a brother or sister?

We certainly don't want to assume anyone who professes to believe in Christ has not been born again


WHO ME replys: yet you dont apply that to the people paul is talking to.....


Whose is in a better position to make a judgement on who is a beliver someone paul knows or people online youve never met......

 

[WHO ME]

OSAS is nonsense!

Remember I think its amos who says in the last days the truth wont be able to be found,

That would mean that the truth would be less believed on its way to that point and the lie would be the majority belief which is what osas is..... the majority of christians believe osas

Im glad Im not in the majority

 

[WHO ME]

Why wouldn't Paul tell them to standfast in the liberty that the doctrine of Christ affords whosoever is born again?

WHO ME replies: you mean when paul says:
Standfast in the liberty where with Christ has made us FREE isnt enough?

You believe osas and this goes against those beliefs so you dont want to accept what this says and thats that osas isnt true..... what do you think is meant by fall from grace? You know what it means dont kid yourself... you understand what grace is and you understand what falling from grace means.....

 

[WHO ME]

Rwb I want to thank you for not calling names and such as many do...... being civil

 

[WHO ME]

Rwb, look at verse 31 he is addressing brothers (in Christ)
And then in the next verse inplores them to standfast in the liberty where Christ has made us free

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul is speaking of Jews who believe the grace of Christ is still for them even if they go back to the Old Law. Paul in setting them straight says that if they think they merit grace under the law, Christ has become of no effect for them and they have fallen from grace.

Paul is not assuming these Jews who desired to go back to the law were eternally saved.

first off the letter is written to the beleivers . they were also t rying to convert gentiles to be circumsized and keep the law .
Its why paul and o ther had went up to Jerusalem to the apostels . they cleared it up too .

 

[rwb]

Rwb I want to thank you for not calling names and such as many do...... being civil

Thank you for the kind words my brother in Christ.

 

[rwb]

first off the letter is written to the beleivers . they were also t rying to convert gentiles to be circumsized and keep the law .
Its why paul and o ther had went up to Jerusalem to the apostels . they cleared it up too .

The letters are written to churches on the earth. As I said before, Paul writing to churches knows that both wheat and tares make up the body of Christ as it is on the earth. His letters assume those whom he writes to are believers but cannot know who from among those, who profess to believe in Christ have been born again.

 

[Jack]

Matthew 13:30
30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn."

 

[rwb]

Rwb, look at verse 31 he is addressing brothers (in Christ)
And then in the next verse inplores them to standfast in the liberty where Christ has made us free

That's why I said Paul is addressing those who believe in Christ, (church) and it is his prayer that they have been born again, or that through his words of warning they might become born again. Without the Holy Spirit coming in us when we are born again, we don't receive fruit that comes from Him. It's not that we have no fruit, but the fruit we do have without the Spirit is natural and without faith (believing unto eternal life). This faith comes through the Spirit sent from Christ, without which it is impossible to please God.

Ga 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Ga 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Ga 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Ga 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Hebrews 11:6 (KJV) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

 

[Marvelloustime]

first off the letter is written to the beleivers . they were also t rying to convert gentiles to be circumsized and keep the law .
Its why paul and o ther had went up to Jerusalem to the apostels . they cleared it up too .

@amigo de christo