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[quietthinker]

What or who leads a human into all truth?

God’s Spirit

 

[Rockerduck]

Everyone used the KJV when I became a Christian. It was normal to read it with a group and a teacher who was learned. However, it is advised to look at it like you was studying a medical book and need a medical dictionary to go with it. I use a dictionary anyway, whatever translation I use. Some of the old testament names are tongue twisters. How many here use the spellchecker when typing? Well, the spellchecker is a dictionary.

 

[Sel@h]

You really believe God authored, wrote the King James Version of the Bible?

Actually it was a team of translators.

Do not make the KJV an idol.

….but then again, don’t make not reading the KJV an idol. I think most of us use commentaries and different translations, etc; we do whatever it takes to try and understand the inspired Truth He wants us to learn, to know.

Isaiah 40:21 (KJV) Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

 

[GodsGrace]

Secular humanism at its worst. Again, a "dictionary" is an integral part of the AV. Understanding comes from the Holy Spirit - not from Secular dictionaries.

The Holy Spirit doesn't do translating.

 

[GodsGrace]

Everyone used the KJV when I became a Christian. It was normal to read it with a group and a teacher who was learned. However, it is advised to look at it like you was studying a medical book and need a medical dictionary to go with it. I use a dictionary anyway, whatever translation I use. Some of the old testament names are tongue twisters. How many here use the spellchecker when typing? Well, the spellchecker is a dictionary.

There's a difference RD
With the spell check you already know the word you want to use and what it means...
you just don't want to misspell it.

With the KJV the actual word is not understood and required it to be translated into modern English.

 

[GodsGrace]

This is the nexus of your dilemma. You do not discern that God never inspired any man; God inspired his word. Understanding never comes from men.

God inspired men to write down words, stories, parables, poems, wisdom, teachings,
etc.

If you want to study the bible...you're going to have to trust men to teach it to you.

 

[GodsGrace]

Again, Secular humanism. I get "new information" often from the Holy Spirit. How about you?

We seem to get differing information from the Holy Spirit.
This is why Protestantism is split up into many denominations.
Seem the Holy Spirit does not teach each one of them exactly in the same way.

 

[GodsGrace]

I certainly would never countenance the wicked invention they use! Touch not the unclean thing. I don't need to experience a needle in the arm to know that heroin is is bad for me.

This is fine.
As long as you're not interested in apologetics.

 

[Sel@h]

The Holy Spirit doesn't do translating.

Yeah, IT kinda does. The Holy Spirit is our Teacher, right?

Psalm 32:8 (NKJV) I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will guide you with My eye.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yeah, IT kinda does. The Holy Spirit is our Teacher, right?

Psalm 32:8 (NKJV) I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will guide you with My eye.

I let go of this idea many years ago.
Q: If the Holy Spirit is teaching us....
why are we not all taught the same?

I know all the verses,,,Jeremiah, Timothy, John...
We have a problem here and I believe it's through a teaching mechanism that is not functioning.

What do you think of this?:
Jesus gave the Great Commission.
Did He say that everyone was to go out and teach or did He give this commission to the §Apostles?
Paul taught Timothy and told HIM to pass on what he was taught.

2 Timothy 2:1-2
1You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2The things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.


We're supposed to be learning from men who have been entrusted with the teachings.
Why are there different teachings?

Why is a church split up because someone believes he understood something from scripture that was not being taugth?

The church was unified for 2 thousand years.
Then it was unified at the reformation.
It is no longer unified.

 

[Sel@h]

I let go of this idea many years ago.
Q: If the Holy Spirit is teaching us....
why are we not all taught the same?

I know all the verses,,,Jeremiah, Timothy, John...
We have a problem here and I believe it's through a teaching mechanism that is not functioning.

What do you think of this?:
Jesus gave the Great Commission.
Did He say that everyone was to go out and teach or did He give this commission to the §Apostles?
Paul taught Timothy and told HIM to pass on what he was taught.

2 Timothy 2:1-2
1You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2The things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.


We're supposed to be learning from men who have been entrusted with the teachings.
Why are there different teachings?

Why is a church split up because someone believes he understood something from scripture that was not being taugth?

The church was unified for 2 thousand years.
Then it was unified at the reformation.
It is no longer unified.

I want to start with this: Most churches today do not teach the Truth. Remember in the book of Revelation that Jesus was only pleased with two churches: Smyrna and Philadelphia.

Also notice in the verses below that God’s promises are to those who love the Lord, to those who seek Him and trust in Him—who find their Rest in Him.

Psalm 32:7-8 (NKJV) 7 You [are] my hiding place; You shall preserve me from trouble; You shall surround me with songs of deliverance. Selah 8 I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will guide you with My eye.

James 4:8-10 (NKJV) 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse [your] hands, [you] sinners; and purify [your] hearts, [you] double-minded. 9 Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and [your] joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

Matthew 11:28-30 (NKJV) 28 “Come to Me, all [you] who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 “Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 “For My yoke [is] easy and My burden is light.”

 

[Sel@h]

What do you think of this?:
Jesus gave the Great Commission.
Did He say that everyone was to go out and teach or did He give this commission to the §Apostles?
Paul taught Timothy and told HIM to pass on what he was taught.

This is the Great Commission to His children—Christians.

 

[Sel@h]

2 Timothy 2:1-2
1You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2The things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.


We're supposed to be learning from men who have been entrusted with the teachings.
Why are there different teachings?

…but it says to entrust these to “faithful“ men.

 

[GodsGrace]

…but it says to entrust these to “faithful“ men.

Of course S...to faithful men.
How would you determine which ones are not faithful?
Which teaching would they have to be teaching in order to be considered unfaithful?

I believe man brings too much of his own opinion into scripture.
Could you think of another reason why we don't all believe the same?
Is not the Holy Spirit doing the teaching?

 

[Rockerduck]

There's a difference RD
With the spell check you already know the word you want to use and what it means...
you just don't want to misspell it.

With the KJV the actual word is not understood and required it to be translated into modern English.

A dictionary does both, and that was my point.

 

[Sel@h]

Which teaching would they have to be teaching in order to be considered unfaithful?

Well is their teaching according to what God says?

I believe man brings too much of his own opinion into scripture.
Could you think of another reason why we don't all believe the same?
Is not the Holy Spirit doing the teaching?

Maybe we’re not all studying diligently with the help of the Holy Spirit?

 

[GodsGrace]

Well is their teaching according to what God says?

Maybe we’re not all studying diligently with the help of the Holy Spirit?

Everyone that is posting on this Forum believes he is learning from the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said the Holy Spirit would bring to mind everything HE taught the APOSTLES.

John 14:25-26
25“These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you.
26“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.


Jesus stayed with His Disciples/Apostles (after His death) for over 3 years teaching them so that they could also teach others.

The teaching remained the same even at the reformation because they believed in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist...they believed in baptisim for salvation...they also believed in faith alone for salvation...but this is not what faith alone means today.

As time passed, beliefs were changed by the men who taught them.
Today we have hundreds of denonminations,,,each one believing that they learned from the Holy Spirit.

If I disagree with someone about a doctrine,,,we will both believe we learned from the Holy Spirit,,,and yet, only one of us has.

Too much of following what a denomination teaches...
too much picking which verses one likes and rejects the others...
too many warnings gone rejected.

 

[GodsGrace]

Well is their teaching according to what God says?

What does God say?
Is our salvation eternal or not?

 

[Sel@h]

What does God say?
Is our salvation eternal or not?

God says what the Bible says.

I say yes.

 

[GodsGrace]

God says what the Bible says.

I say yes.

But what does God say?
You didn't reply to my question.
Is salvation unconditionally eternal?

Some say Yes.
Some say No.

How could we be sure which one it is?

Both claim to be led by the Holy Spirit.