You're suggesting that God can change lives on earth, can institute kingdoms and bring kingdoms down, can control the weather, can save people for eternity, but can't allow believers to have an accurate map of the earth?
Flat Earth Theory
- Thread starter Rudometkin
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
You're suggesting that God can change lives on earth, can institute kingdoms and bring kingdoms down, can control the weather, can save people for eternity, but can't allow believers to have an accurate map of the earth?
Time to think a little more.
US Puts Up $20M for Information on Iran's Nuclear Progress
Reward could include relocation for tipsterwww.newser.com
LOL go to Google Earth and put in Duomo, Milan Italy, and you can see the parked cars outside the Galleria Vittoria Emmanuel.
So what do you think happens to our satellites when they take images of the earth? Does Satan block them from actually getting images?
If we can't have accurate maps, how do airplanes know how to get from Los Angeles to New York? Or from Santiago to Sydney? Wouldn't they just be guessing?
So back to my question: Even if we don't have a perfectly accurate map, what's THE MOST accurate flat earth map we have? Please point me to THAT at least.
I mean, @David in NJ - as I showed you from google maps, we have accurate maps that give you exact driving directions from Khasan, Russia to Simon's Town (Cape Town), South Africa.
We know how many miles it is from Santiago, Chile, to Sydney, Australia. Like, this is actual knowledge. We have accurate maps. We have GPS that can tell you exactly where you are in the world. Our technology is so accurate that our military can program a Tomahawk missile that can travel 1,500 miles and land within meters of its target.
We can track where ships are in the world. See: United States Navy Live Military Ship Tracker | Free Real-Time Tracking of United States Navy Ships
This is real-world technology.
And you're saying despite all that, we don't have an accurate map of the flat earth? God allows us to have all this incredible information, lets us see the world from space, but He doesn't allow us to have an accurate map of our flat earth?
You realize that that's just utter insanity, right?
We know how many miles it is from Santiago, Chile, to Sydney, Australia. Like, this is actual knowledge. We have accurate maps. We have GPS that can tell you exactly where you are in the world. Our technology is so accurate that our military can program a Tomahawk missile that can travel 1,500 miles and land within meters of its target.
We can track where ships are in the world. See: United States Navy Live Military Ship Tracker | Free Real-Time Tracking of United States Navy Ships
This is real-world technology.
And you're saying despite all that, we don't have an accurate map of the flat earth? God allows us to have all this incredible information, lets us see the world from space, but He doesn't allow us to have an accurate map of our flat earth?
You realize that that's just utter insanity, right?
.
re: the LIE that is "Google Earth":
Further to the GPS hoax (Google/CIA) that was exposed here, it’s just cutting-edge, hyper-realistic mapping, created using a cutting-edge GPS system - that’s it! - no "orbiting satellites." When you zoom in to Street View, you are switched over to actual photography and 360 Street View* (taken from vehicles with cameras on top of them). For IT geeks, take note of the caption of this example: Elizabeth Tower "Big Ben" (3 minutes).
The U.S. Army has been taking photos from balloons** (not "satellites") since 1918, if not earlier (here are 357 of them).
* "Meet Google's colorful Street View fleet and learn how we collect 360 imagery to power the world map."
** NASA consumes more than twice the helium consumption of the entire U.S. Military.
.
re: the LIE that is "Google Earth":
Further to the GPS hoax (Google/CIA) that was exposed here, it’s just cutting-edge, hyper-realistic mapping, created using a cutting-edge GPS system - that’s it! - no "orbiting satellites." When you zoom in to Street View, you are switched over to actual photography and 360 Street View* (taken from vehicles with cameras on top of them). For IT geeks, take note of the caption of this example: Elizabeth Tower "Big Ben" (3 minutes).
The U.S. Army has been taking photos from balloons** (not "satellites") since 1918, if not earlier (here are 357 of them).
* "Meet Google's colorful Street View fleet and learn how we collect 360 imagery to power the world map."
** NASA consumes more than twice the helium consumption of the entire U.S. Military.
.
Last edited:
LOL
Right, we have no actual satellites in space. We probably don't even have the Hubble telescope in orbit right now either. Probably don't even have the International Space Station. It's all just fake.
.
PROPAGANDA TECHNIQUE #6:
The bandwagon technique is a persuasive and propaganda method that encourages people to adopt a belief or support a cause simply because "everyone else is doing it."
Right, your documentation is breathtaking.
PROPAGANDA TECHNIQUE #6:
The bandwagon technique is a persuasive and propaganda method that encourages people to adopt a belief or support a cause simply because "everyone else is doing it."
Last edited:
You wouldn't accept ANY documentation. You'd call it fake. Like the Hubble - it was amazing when it was launched. It immediately began taking incredible photos of the universe - clearer than anything we had ever seen before. It is still in orbit above the earth. NASA knows exactly where it is right this moment. You can learn about all this right here:
Hubble Tracker — Live Position, Altitude & Re-entry Forecast
Track the Hubble Space Telescope in real time. Altitude decay visualisation, JWST comparison, servicing history and re-entry forecast.
orbitalradar.com
But I'm sure you think that's just fake. A deliberate deception. Because if you can spend all this money to dupe people into believing that the world is round, you just gotta do it.
.
Your cited orbitaltracker site is privately owned.
...registered with GoDaddy less than 2 years ago. It "operates as an independent, public-facing space intelligence and live satellite-tracking platform."
Ya gotta luv the "space intelligence" oxymoron.
.
Rather, you don't have any. And after shooting yourself in the foot again, you don't have any of those left, either.
Your cited orbitaltracker site is privately owned.
...registered with GoDaddy less than 2 years ago. It "operates as an independent, public-facing space intelligence and live satellite-tracking platform."
Ya gotta luv the "space intelligence" oxymoron.
"orbitalradar.com ranks #638 in the October 2026 Home Security and Smart Home Systems Citation Index...Its strongest citation coverage occurred in Security Systems for Rural Properties with Unreliable Cellular or Internet." - source
lol @ "amazing" CGI imagery.
.
Last edited:
Ok you convinced me. We have no satellites in space. The space station isn't real. The Hubble telescope isn't real. Our maps aren't accurate. We can't actually tell where ships are by GPS. Your Apple Maps or Google Maps on your phone doesn't actually track where YOU are. It's a totally fake GPS. When my phone is out of cell tower service and asks me if I want to use a satellite connection, and I say yes and suddenly my phone works again, that's all just made up. We don't actually have any accurate maps despite mapmaking being a thing since the dawn of time. We have zero photos of the earth from space. I'm buying your view that it's all just a giant hoax.
WHY it's a hoax, I have no idea. Why would anyone bother with this kind of hoax? What good does it do? What benefit does it serve? Like, if the earth really is flat, can't Satan simply use a flat earth to accomplish his nefarious purposes?
.
When we act with integrity and ask honest questions, we can begin to peel back the layers that are deceiving and enslaving all of us.
NASA EXISTS TO SUBTLY GET HUMANITY TO REMOVE GOD OUT OF EVERYTHING BY RUNNING COMPLETE INTERFERENCE WITH PURE SATANIC AND OCCULT DECEPTION RIGHT IN OUR FACES.
.
When we act with integrity and ask honest questions, we can begin to peel back the layers that are deceiving and enslaving all of us.
The reason WHY is because YOU are a sovereign creation of Almighty God and, as such, are infinitely valuable. Thus, this war of all wars is being waged over your eternal destiny. YOU are the prize.
NASA EXISTS TO SUBTLY GET HUMANITY TO REMOVE GOD OUT OF EVERYTHING BY RUNNING COMPLETE INTERFERENCE WITH PURE SATANIC AND OCCULT DECEPTION RIGHT IN OUR FACES.
He could, and does! There are many snares that have been set for flat earthers, as well. Satan does not discriminate.
NASA is the world's largest consumer of helium. It uses balloons (located within the firmament) and not CGI "satellites" for its aerial tomfoolery. No one's "satellite" dish is pointed upward! While the phone connection is real, phone connectivity is provided via localized cell service and worldwide submarine cable networks.
The accuracy is being hidden from us because there is an agenda.
Rather, there are many CGI images (not photographs), and they're not from outer "space".
.
Last edited:
Hmmmm... quite convincing.
So do we have at least a semi-accurate flat earth map that you can show me? Because now I'm really curious.
No it wasn't. Nobody has given me any sort of map. Even if you believe that Satan is keeping us from a perfectly accurate earth map, it's a total cop out to say that we don't have ANY remotely accurate flat-earth map. Because map-making has been a science for millennia and we actually do have accurate maps. It's total BS to say the earth is flat but I can't show you a flat earth map because Satan is keeping us from making one.
David, I'm politely asking you for an explanation.
If you know the answer then share it with us here.
If you are unable to then politely & simply say so
On a FLAT earth why does the equator never have days/weeks/months of total dark like the Artic has in Dec/Jan.
Are you able to link a site that explains the reasons for this ?
.
I recently removed you from Ignore because I am eternally hopeful. However, if you insist on continually trolling this thread, then you will be Ignore'd yet again.
.
Yes, it was. And it was you who posted the Gleason map at post #3,465 here, to which I replied at post #3,471 here and again at post #3,474 here.
I recently removed you from Ignore because I am eternally hopeful. However, if you insist on continually trolling this thread, then you will be Ignore'd yet again.
.
Last edited:
The problem is that the FLAT EARTHERS believe NASA is hiding/distorting the truth and that what they show us is what they want us to see and not the truth.
A spherical earth is IMPOSSIBLE to debunk
A FLAT earth is impossible to prove.
And that's why the 'flatties' behave the way they do
Correct.
And this was the totality of that post of yours (#3,471):
Sure, you "decided to start" yesterday; that's not in dispute. But 4.5 months of silence here is the long game of a seeded sleeper.
As such, you'd also be informed by your overlords that the Gleason map is not a 100% correct representation, which is why you "decided to start" here with that deceptive angle.
And CARM was a snakepit - a regular hangout (admittedly your only hangout) for every shill and troll in the business. Universalism was its ultimate downfall. CARM was run by Matt Slick (no pun intended). When CARM boards were running, one of the rules prohibited mentioning and discussing CARM in other boards. Slick's daughter publicly wrote about her deconversion from Christianity to atheism. Another daughter of Slick became publicly known for her work as an adult model and sex worker. Slick still carries on with his YouTube channel (which link I won't post here).
So in the midst of all that stuff, including the stuff about Matt Slick, all you said was that the Gleason map is not a 100% correct representation of the flat earth. So I asked for a more accurate one.
Or is this you saying that I've been told that it's not 100% accurate, but you think that's my "overlords" deceiving me, and the Gleason map IS 100% accurate?
I can't tell what you're trying to say there.
Here's your post #3,474:
The Gleason map has been stretched and distorted. The following is the lie foisted by "fact checkers":
"The Alexander Gleason map of 1892 is a polar azimuthal equidistant projection, which naturally distorts or "stretches" distances and shapes increasingly as you move away from the center point (the North Pole). Because the Earth is a sphere and these maps are flat, some form of distortion is mathematically unavoidable."
How disingenuous.
So are you saying that the Gleason map is accurate, but that I posted a distorted one? Or are you saying that the Gleason map is a distortion of the true flat earth map?
Again, please be clear.
All I'm asking for is an accurate flat-earth map. So far nobody has provided me with one. Even if we don't have satellites and only have all this GPS stuff working because we have balloons in the air, that's sufficient to pinpoint a single window pane in a car, and it can tell exactly where your cell phone is located within like a meter or two, even from wayyyyyyyyy up there in the sky. So surely it can allow us to make an accurate map.
Or do you believe that all our maps are just bogus fakes?
They believe in a completely global conspiracy to convince us that the world is not flat. Why the need for such a conspiracy though? Like, IF the world IS flat, how does that affect your daily life or mine? We'd still get up and go to work and love our kids and go to church and watch football and enjoy our friends. Commerce would still happen. And there would also still be people who reject Christ in a flat earth. So what possible advantage could Satan gain from this deception?
And if God is able to overcome Satan and bring people to Christ and reveal His truth to people, is He impotent to overcome Satan and give us an accurate flat earth map? Seems like something God could do pretty easily. So where is it?
Every day that goes by that no flat earther can produce an accurate map is another nail in the coffin of flat earth credibility.
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
Time to think = God's WAY
#1 - God can do all things
#2 - God chooses to SAVE mankind from their sins thru the Precious Blood of Christ.
#3 - God's Will in Heaven is that we are conformed to the image of His SON
Luke 16: 14 -16
Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him.
And He said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts.
For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
2 Peter 3:10-13
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
ooking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
Satan is "the god of this world" = It is he who hides the Truth of Genesis/earth
And God allows him to do so for reasons that 95% of christians know not of.
This is why God Says:
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
Similar threads
