David in NJ
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Very busy day today with relatives up from Texas
Talk with you tomorrow or maybe @doctrox may want to engage on the moon phases.
Question: Do you believe the sun lights the moon?
@Crazy Ivan
Flat Earth Theory
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Talk with you tomorrow or maybe @doctrox may want to engage on the moon phases.
Question: Do you believe the sun lights the moon?
@Crazy Ivan
You appear to be the only reasonable 'flattie' to interact with here.
Yes, the sun lights the moon
David in NJ
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Please think of me correctly.
#1 - i am your brother in CHRIST = SAVED by the Blood = not of works, but by GRACE as HE Chose us = not vice versa
#2 - No one knows the true shape of the earth = God said so!
#3 - All of mankind dwell on the surface of the earth = Genesis & Gospel
#4 - The earth has great depth that no man/technology can search out
#5 - Feel free to call me a True Earther = Genesis
What benefit does Satan gain by hiding the shape of the earth, when we both agree that the shape of the earth has nothing whatsoever to do with salvation, and we both agree that Satan could still do his nefarious work even if everyone knew the earth was flat?
We know how to split an atom for crying out loud. We know how DNA works. We are learning more and more every day about how the human brain actually functions.
Why is this one particular truth sooooooooooo important to Satan that he just HAS to do everything in his power to hide this from us? Or, to look at it another way, why has God overcome Satan in all these other areas, allowing us insight into molecules and the genetic code and to understand how vision works and how God designed our immune system, but God just can't seem to, or has no interest to, over come Satan so we can see the truth in THIS area?
What's so special about the shape of the earth/
Yes. This is demonstrably and objectively the case.
(and, well, light from distant stars also faintly light the moon)
The moon has no capacity in it of itself to produce light. It merely reflects light.
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Isa. 13:10
For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa. 30:26
Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
Isa. 60:19-20
The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
Jer. 31:35
Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Mat. 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mar. 13:24
But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Eze. 32:7
And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.
Rev. 21:23
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
nāšā' (H5377) = to deceive - Blue Letter Bible
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The moon has its own light:
Isa. 13:10
For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa. 30:26
Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
Isa. 60:19-20
The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
Jer. 31:35
Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Mat. 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mar. 13:24
But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Eze. 32:7
And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.
Rev. 21:23
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
nāšā' (H5377) = to deceive - Blue Letter Bible
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FLAT earth defies simple observable logic
eg
At sea level Fort Niagra NY 31 miles away over water the CN tower Canada was photographed
RH side shows the tower from a closer distance
Why is the bottom of the tower not seen if the earth is flat ?
Ohhhhhhh boy.
Isaiah 55:12 - "For you shall go out in joy and be led forth in peace; the mountains and the hills before you shall burst into song, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands."
Does the Bible teach that the trees have hands, and that trees actually clap them?
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nāšā' (H5377) = to deceive - Blue Letter Bible
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A non sequitur. IOW, your reply does not address the fact that the moon has its own light.
nāšā' (H5377) = to deceive - Blue Letter Bible
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Since the moon is a MINI SUN then eclipses of the moon are not the moon at all and neither are the 1/4 & 1/2 moons that we see :)
The moon reflects the light of the sun and the stars. Which is why we have phases of the moon, dude. If the moon had its own light, we wouldn't have things like crescent moons. It would always be a full moon.
And it's not a non sequitur. It's illustrative of the fact that the Bible uses imagery all the time to convey truth; we aren't to take the imagery literally.
Or do you ACTUALLY believe that trees have hands and clap them?
David Lamb
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I agree. Also, if the moon shone with its own light, there would be no such thing as a lunar eclipse.
I still can't get over the map issue. It's beyond hilarious.
Like, we have hyper-accurate maps and now, with technology, images of the earth that are so precise, they can see individual houses. They can give us precise driving directions from Eastern Russia to South Africa. We have GPS technology that can tell us - within a meter or two - of where we are on the earth (or at least tell where our GPS device is). We know the exact mileage from Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia. We have super accurate political maps, geographical maps, and street maps. Our GPS technology allows us to know where every ship is in a given area. (I provided a link to that earlier in the thread)
We've had accurate maps of the Mediterranean since Paul's day. We actually know where stuff is on the planet. This isn't conspiracy. It's not made up. We actually have accurate maps.
But for some unfathomable reason, we don't have access to an accurate flat earth map. If Satan is deceiving us and allowing us to use these fake maps we currently use, why are they so incredibly accurate? Why would Satan give us actual accurate information? Again, our phones, for crying out loud, can tell us precisely where we are on the earth. Just by opening google maps or Apple Maps. I've disconnected my phone from my home internet and it's just working on cell service, and opening Apple Maps, it shows me exactly where I am - at my own house, third house on the right on my little tiny street in my small little town in Connecticut. How can it possibly do that unless it's accurate? Even if we buy the "they don't work by satellite, they work by...balloons" line, fine, then we can make accurate maps via balloon.
So for some incredible reason, we just don't have an accurate flat earth map? How does our GPS know where we are then? Do we at least have a kindasorta accurate flat earth map? Or are we just completely in the dark here?
I've asked flat earth people here for days on end now for the best flat earth map we have, and they've provided NOTHING. Not a single map. I've provided one - the best one I could find on google - but that was dismissed as being a "distortion". Well, how can we know it's a distortion unless we know what the correct one is?
Good grief people I'm not asking for much - just for the most accurate flat earth map we have available. That's it.
Like, we have hyper-accurate maps and now, with technology, images of the earth that are so precise, they can see individual houses. They can give us precise driving directions from Eastern Russia to South Africa. We have GPS technology that can tell us - within a meter or two - of where we are on the earth (or at least tell where our GPS device is). We know the exact mileage from Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia. We have super accurate political maps, geographical maps, and street maps. Our GPS technology allows us to know where every ship is in a given area. (I provided a link to that earlier in the thread)
We've had accurate maps of the Mediterranean since Paul's day. We actually know where stuff is on the planet. This isn't conspiracy. It's not made up. We actually have accurate maps.
But for some unfathomable reason, we don't have access to an accurate flat earth map. If Satan is deceiving us and allowing us to use these fake maps we currently use, why are they so incredibly accurate? Why would Satan give us actual accurate information? Again, our phones, for crying out loud, can tell us precisely where we are on the earth. Just by opening google maps or Apple Maps. I've disconnected my phone from my home internet and it's just working on cell service, and opening Apple Maps, it shows me exactly where I am - at my own house, third house on the right on my little tiny street in my small little town in Connecticut. How can it possibly do that unless it's accurate? Even if we buy the "they don't work by satellite, they work by...balloons" line, fine, then we can make accurate maps via balloon.
So for some incredible reason, we just don't have an accurate flat earth map? How does our GPS know where we are then? Do we at least have a kindasorta accurate flat earth map? Or are we just completely in the dark here?
I've asked flat earth people here for days on end now for the best flat earth map we have, and they've provided NOTHING. Not a single map. I've provided one - the best one I could find on google - but that was dismissed as being a "distortion". Well, how can we know it's a distortion unless we know what the correct one is?
Good grief people I'm not asking for much - just for the most accurate flat earth map we have available. That's it.
David in NJ
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Good Night Brothers and Sisters in Christ
"the god of this world has blinded their minds lest the Light of the Glorious Gospel of Christ should shine upon them"
New moon
Waxing crescent
First quarter
Waxing Gibbous
Once again, you guys are trusting the Masonic occultists teachings from Babylon/NASA.
GOD Says the moon and the stars are their own light = Genesis
Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.
Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
JESUS always confirms Truth from Gebnesis
Mark 13:24 (KJV) But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Matthew 24:29 (KJV) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
@Dryhn
HUGE benefit to Satan = Deception and Control of over the minds to keep them in darkness
"the god of this world has blinded their minds lest the Light of the Glorious Gospel of Christ should shine upon them"
Sun and moon phases can be seen out at the same time, thus proving the sun does not illuminate the moon.
New moon
Waxing crescent
First quarter
Waxing Gibbous
Once again, you guys are trusting the Masonic occultists teachings from Babylon/NASA.
GOD Says the moon and the stars are their own light = Genesis
Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.
Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
JESUS always confirms Truth from Gebnesis
Mark 13:24 (KJV) But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Matthew 24:29 (KJV) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
@Dryhn
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David Lamb
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That doesn't prove that the moon does not shine with light reflected from the sun. The sun can be shining on the earth and the moon at the same time.
As for NASA being occultist Freemasons, I am not saying that nobody who works for NASA is a freemason, but you seem to be saying that everybody involved with NASA is not only a freemason, but involved in the occult too. Where is your evidence that such a statement is true?
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
God's Word/Genesis/Gospel and the factual evidence AGREE.
Occult/Babylon/NASA and those who follow their teachings disagree with God's Word/Genesis.
REFRESH your mind Today
The Artemis Lie.
Video and written proof of the demonic deception of space travel.
theamericanclassroom.substack.com
David Lamb
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I am not saying that everything NASA says is based on Genesis. I was asking you what your evidence was that everybody who works for NASA is a freemason and an occultist.God's Word/Genesis/Gospel and the factual evidence AGREE.
Occult/Babylon/NASA and those who follow their teachings disagree with God's Word/Genesis.
REFRESH your mind Today
The Artemis Lie.
Video and written proof of the demonic deception of space travel.
We already agreed that the shape of the earth is irrelevant to the gospel. Satan allows us to know all kinds of other truths about the world. Why is THIS one SOOOOOOOOOO important to him when it's not even remotely related to the gospel?
What makes a crescent moon, in flat-earth world?
Do you also think that stars are like in some sort of canopy hovering over the earth? And are not distant stars?
Do you think the Voyager spacecraft is just a really expensive hoax? For what purpose?
How far away do you think Mars is? Or Jupiter? Planets even the ancients knew about.
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