I see you still don't have an answer to the question....I believe running from the question and not answering it is a rule violation.
Flat Earth Theory
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At one point I had hope that David would be able to understand & discuss simple logical observations, how fooled was I
David in NJ
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By your own admission, you pridefully accept being fooled, in-deed, for trusting in satanists/globalists/NASA.
Yourself and others are part of the group that the Holy Spirit Prophesied = "mockers will come"
David Lamb
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Where does God say the earth does not move? I know there are scriptural references to the earth not being moved, but that is quite different. If I fell and injured myself when walking into town to go shopping, and an ambulance crew had to take me to hospital, they would need to move me. While they are doing so, I would be being moved. Before the accident, I was walking, in other words I was moving. There's a difference. There are examples in Scripture, too. David said several times that he would not be moved. An example is:
NKJV Psa 16:8 I have set the LORD always before me; Because He is at my right hand I shall not be moved.
Did David remain motionless for the rest of his life? Of course not. So why must those verses that tell us the the earth will not be moved have to mean that the earth is motionless?
The bible doesn't. I saw this verse...Isaiah 24:20 The earth staggers like a drunken man; it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.
David in NJ
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Good Morning
Psalm 11 is appropriate and applicable for us/today on this subject
If the foundations are destroyed,
What can the righteous do?
The Foundation of Truth for the people of God begins in Genesis
The Scientific Factual Truth of the earth begins in Genesis chapter 1
Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.
And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
#1 Why was it necessary for WATER to be contained and controlled by land?
Foundational Truth = Because of the Law of Physics that God created with WATER = It always needs a path and/or place of depression in the earth to settle: known as "coming to REST" = WATER always seeks it's own LEVEL and will never adhere to a globe earth
God Says the earth does not move beginning in Genesis = God created the Ordained movement of the sun, moon and stars
Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
God Says the earth does not move = Psalm 104
You who laid the foundations of the earth,
So that it should not be moved forever,
6You covered it with the deep as with a garment;
The waters stood above the mountains.
7At Your rebuke they fled;
At the voice of Your thunder they hastened away.
8[c]They went up over the mountains;
They went down into the valleys,
To the place which You founded for them.
9You have set a boundary that they may not pass over,
That they may not return to cover the earth.
God Says the earth does not move but only the sun, moon and stars move = Joshua 10:11-14
Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel:
“Sun, stand still over Gibeon;
And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
So the sun stood still,
And the moon stopped,
Till the people had revenge
Upon their enemies.
God Says the earth does not move = only the sun, moon and stars = Psalm 19
The Perfect Revelation of the LordTo the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.1The heavens declare the glory of God;And the firmament shows His handiwork. 2Day unto day utters speech, And night unto night reveals knowledge. 3There is no speech nor language Where their voice is not heard. 4Their line has gone out through all the earth, And their words to the end of the world. In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun, 5Which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, And rejoices like a strong man to run its race. 6Its rising is from one end of heaven, And its circuit to the other end; And there is nothing hidden from its heat. |
David Lamb
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Sorry, but you still haven't told me of one verse in the Bible that teaches that the eartrh does not move. I repeat, I know there are verses that tell us that the earth will not be moved, but that is a different matter, as I explained.
David in NJ
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EXCELLENT verse which AGREES with Genesis
David's authority was Ordained by GOD and as such David cannot be moved from that position as king by anyone other then GOD.
CHRIST is Seated in a Position of Authority that cannot be moved from HIM.
Therefore, once GOD establishes His WORD, no one can change or alter or add or take away!!!
GOD Says WATER is Contained & Controlled by LAND = LAND rises above WATER to prevent WATER from flooding over the earth
Satan says, "did God really say that?, nay, but water can cling to a spinning ball.
David in NJ
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It is very sorry David Lamb, that you choose to reject clear words from GOD that you may trust in fleshly men of the earth.
When 'christians' seek to correct God's words according to the philosophy of this world, it shows that they lack faith/trust in all that God has spoken.
JESUS taught that unbelief, ignorance and deception will continue on earth UNTIL the day when HE brings all things to LIGHT = Luke 8:16-18
“No one, when he has lit a lamp, covers it with a vessel or puts it under a bed, but sets it on a lampstand, that those who enter may see the light.
For nothing is secret that will not be revealed, nor anything hidden that will not be known and come to light.
Therefore take heed how you hear.
For whoever has, to him more will be given; and whoever does not have, even what he seems to have will be taken from him.”
Taken
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I think the Earth’s shape is moreso a sphere, having Piled High and Low lying Dirt, infused with Odors, Rocks, Metals, Minerals, Water, Oils, Fire all about it, on it and in it.
Planned, designed, created, made and hung in the atmosphere By God, For His Delight and Purpose.
A Flat Round Disc? No.
A Flat Square with Corners? No
Gods control over every measure, Height, Width, Depth…? Yes.
Glory to God,
Taken
David in NJ
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These are God's Commands and scientific facts that man is subject too.
#1 - WATER and LAND Law of Physics
Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.
And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
Why was it necessary for WATER to be contained and controlled by land?
Foundational Truth = Because of the Law of Physics that God created with WATER = It always needs a path and/or place of depression in the earth to settle: known as "coming to REST" = WATER always seeks it's own LEVEL and will never adhere to a globe earth
GOSPEL Message in WATER
No one knows the shape of the earth.
#2 - No one knows the exact shape of the earth and the Masonic world controllers who claim a globe spinning earth are liars.
Jeremiah ch31 = God's WORD
35Thus says the Lord,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The Lord of hosts is His name):
36“If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the Lord,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”
37Thus says the Lord:
“If heaven above can be measured,
and/If the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the Lord.
There does not exist within man and his technology to go beyond the Dome Firmament that GOD encapsulated the surface of the earth with.
#3 - God Says the earth does not move but only the sun, moon and stars above the earth.
35Thus says the Lord,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
God STOPPED the Ordinance/Movement of the sun & moon at Joshua's command =Prophecy of CHRIST/2nd Coming
Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel:
“Sun, stand still over Gibeon;
And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
So the sun stood still,
And the moon stopped,
Till the people had revenge
Upon their enemies.
SHALOM in the TRUTH = "Thy Word is Truth" = Always and Forever
@David in NJ @TLHKAJ @doctrox
There isn't a single person on earth who believes that a word can't have several meanings...nuances. No one.
For example the word "moved" can have many meanings..such as...bring down, fall, falter, gives way immovable, moved, shake, shaken, shaken violently, slip, slipped, slips, staggering, totter, tottered, totters, etc.
As presented above in the Word of God "moved"...Hebrew "mot"...is shown to have many meanings...nuances.
Concerning the earth some think the word "moved (mot) indicates the earth is at a fixed location in space. The earth can't rotate...that is it doesn't move nor can be moved.
They use Psalms 104:5 to support this argument....
"You who laid the foundations of the earth,
So that it should not be moved forever,"
The question what is the proper nuance of the word "moved" in Psalms 104:5? This is an invitation for any flat-earther to demonstrate their nuance is the correct use of the word "moved"
We know the earth according to the bible can indeed be moved (mot).
Isaiah 24:20 tells us the earth staggers (mot) like a drunken man; it sways like a hut;.......This verse indicates the earth can be moved when the context of the verse is explored.
What is the context of Psalms 104:5 that the earth can't be physically moved? I just presented a verse that shows the earth can be physically moved. Does the passage in Psalms 104:5 shows the concept of an unmovable earth...that is the earth is at a fixed location in space. Does it show that the earth can't rotate when applied to Psalms 104:5? The nuance assigned to the word moved by the flat-earthers is incorrect as we see the earth can be moved as it is being presented as moving in Isaiah 24:20.
The flat-earthers set up a contradiction which causes their interpretation to fail.
Psalms 104:5 fails to establish that the earth is at a fixed location in space and isn't rotating. There is no context in the surrounding verses to establish the flat-earth view.
The context mentions the foundation of earth....is it the foundation that can't be moved rather than the planet earth?
This brings up yet another question...what is the the foundation? What is the meaning of foundation?
Flat-earthers cherry picked Psalms 104:5..and assigned the wrong meaning to the word "moved". They should either prove their nuance is correct or retract from their position.
There isn't a single person on earth who believes that a word can't have several meanings...nuances. No one.
For example the word "moved" can have many meanings..such as...bring down, fall, falter, gives way immovable, moved, shake, shaken, shaken violently, slip, slipped, slips, staggering, totter, tottered, totters, etc.
As presented above in the Word of God "moved"...Hebrew "mot"...is shown to have many meanings...nuances.
Concerning the earth some think the word "moved (mot) indicates the earth is at a fixed location in space. The earth can't rotate...that is it doesn't move nor can be moved.
They use Psalms 104:5 to support this argument....
"You who laid the foundations of the earth,
So that it should not be moved forever,"
The question what is the proper nuance of the word "moved" in Psalms 104:5? This is an invitation for any flat-earther to demonstrate their nuance is the correct use of the word "moved"
We know the earth according to the bible can indeed be moved (mot).
Isaiah 24:20 tells us the earth staggers (mot) like a drunken man; it sways like a hut;.......This verse indicates the earth can be moved when the context of the verse is explored.
What is the context of Psalms 104:5 that the earth can't be physically moved? I just presented a verse that shows the earth can be physically moved. Does the passage in Psalms 104:5 shows the concept of an unmovable earth...that is the earth is at a fixed location in space. Does it show that the earth can't rotate when applied to Psalms 104:5? The nuance assigned to the word moved by the flat-earthers is incorrect as we see the earth can be moved as it is being presented as moving in Isaiah 24:20.
The flat-earthers set up a contradiction which causes their interpretation to fail.
Psalms 104:5 fails to establish that the earth is at a fixed location in space and isn't rotating. There is no context in the surrounding verses to establish the flat-earth view.
The context mentions the foundation of earth....is it the foundation that can't be moved rather than the planet earth?
This brings up yet another question...what is the the foundation? What is the meaning of foundation?
Flat-earthers cherry picked Psalms 104:5..and assigned the wrong meaning to the word "moved". They should either prove their nuance is correct or retract from their position.
David in NJ
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Genesis, WATER, Physics/Law prove beyond any shadow of doubt that a globe spinning earth is the lie, laid as a foundation, for even MORE lies and deception that is now being flooded upon the world = 2 Thess ch2
#1 - God is not mocked.
#2 - Pride goes before the fall.
#3 - GENESIS = Rejecting Truth/God's Word = always opens oneself to being deceived
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world.
The world is passing away, along with its desires; but whoever does the will of God remains forever.
Thus why the very 1st Commandment is to love the Lord God with all of our heart, mind, soul & strength
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RandyDawson
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2 Thessalonians 2:10 tells us “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved”
Don't be so sure that spreading deception does not cause one to not be allowed in to the Lord's Kingdom.
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Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. (Job 38:13-15)
This is made a terror to evil-doers. Nothing is more comfortable to mankind than the light of the morning; it is pleasant to the eyes, it is serviceable to life and the business of it, and the favour of it is universally extended, for it takes hold of the ends of the earth (v. 13), and we should dwell, in our hymns to the light, on its advantages to the earth. But God here observes how unwelcome it is to those that do evil, and therefore hate the light. God makes the light a minister of his justice as well as of his mercy. It is designed to shake the wicked out of the earth, and for that purpose it takes hold of the ends of it, as we take hold of the ends of a garment to shake the dust and moths out of it. Job had observed what a terror the morning light is to criminals, because it discovers them (ch. 24:13, etc.), and God here seconds the observation, and asks him whether the world was indebted to him for that kindness? No, the great Judge of the world sends forth the beams of the morning light as his messengers to detect criminals, that they may not only be defeated in their purposes and put to shame, but that they may be brought to condign punishment (v. 15), that their light may be withholden from them (that is, that they may lose their comfort, their confidence, their liberties, their lives) and that their high arm, which they have lifted up against God and man, may be broken, and they deprived of their power to do mischief...God, in his gospel, has shown strength with his arm, scattered the proud, and put down the mighty, by that light by which he designed to shake the wicked, to shake wickedness itself out of the earth, and break its high arm. - Matthew Henry
That was a cool video! A 700-mile-long view, on a ball earth, would be hidden by 49 miles of curvature, yet we can still see Mont Blanc! Amazing stat!
What does God himself say?
Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. (Job 38:13-15)
This is made a terror to evil-doers. Nothing is more comfortable to mankind than the light of the morning; it is pleasant to the eyes, it is serviceable to life and the business of it, and the favour of it is universally extended, for it takes hold of the ends of the earth (v. 13), and we should dwell, in our hymns to the light, on its advantages to the earth. But God here observes how unwelcome it is to those that do evil, and therefore hate the light. God makes the light a minister of his justice as well as of his mercy. It is designed to shake the wicked out of the earth, and for that purpose it takes hold of the ends of it, as we take hold of the ends of a garment to shake the dust and moths out of it. Job had observed what a terror the morning light is to criminals, because it discovers them (ch. 24:13, etc.), and God here seconds the observation, and asks him whether the world was indebted to him for that kindness? No, the great Judge of the world sends forth the beams of the morning light as his messengers to detect criminals, that they may not only be defeated in their purposes and put to shame, but that they may be brought to condign punishment (v. 15), that their light may be withholden from them (that is, that they may lose their comfort, their confidence, their liberties, their lives) and that their high arm, which they have lifted up against God and man, may be broken, and they deprived of their power to do mischief...God, in his gospel, has shown strength with his arm, scattered the proud, and put down the mighty, by that light by which he designed to shake the wicked, to shake wickedness itself out of the earth, and break its high arm. - Matthew Henry
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That was a cool video! A 700-mile-long view, on a ball earth, would be hidden by 49 miles of curvature, yet we can still see Mont Blanc! Amazing stat!
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What does God himself say?
Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. (Job 38:13-15)
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"like..." or "as..." are indicative of simile, which is a form of figurative language. Surely you learned this in grammar school, yes?
Indeed, "spreading deception" does disallow entry "in to the Lord's Kingdom," as shown again with scripture here.
If you love and/or abet a lie, you go to the pit. Simple.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (Rev. 22:14-15)
Can't seem to find anything remotely indicative of a ball. Surely you read God's word often, yes?
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Or of anything remotely indicative of flat. So we are left to our eyes and observational tools and, you know, science.
There are literally millions of subject the Bible doesn't speak about. Like what's on my desk right this moment. The Bible says not a word about that. So how do I know what's there? I can see. Make observations.
I'm still waiting, by the way, for you guys to give me any even reasonably accurate flat earth map. Don't think I've forgotten about that.
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