How can there be life after death?
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Yes and that was the punishment for all of mankind because of the disobedience. I think that the snake got away with it's indiscretion fairly lightly all things considered.
Am I talking to someone who actually believes that man was crafted from mud? And from mudmans rib woman was crafted?
We are talking about a creator who created the universe.
Our solar system àlone is complex, from the gas giant planets to our neighbours Mars and Venus....
You are taking the word of largely ignorant (of science) people who were superstitious and looking for answers to why they existed.
We know where Homosapiens came from, we can trace our ancestry through the ages, we know that we are closely related to the chimpanzee and are a branch of the tree of life.
We are talking about a creator who created the universe.
Our solar system àlone is complex, from the gas giant planets to our neighbours Mars and Venus....
You are taking the word of largely ignorant (of science) people who were superstitious and looking for answers to why they existed.
We know where Homosapiens came from, we can trace our ancestry through the ages, we know that we are closely related to the chimpanzee and are a branch of the tree of life.
Seems to me that your God's followers invented the carrot or the stick.
Burning alive is probably the worst way to die, I can't think of a worst way to go...
The carrot is better than the stick.
Little wonder fearful individuals choose the carrot.
Under the cultural and political influence of Zoroastrianism and Hellenistic ideas, Judaism developed concepts of resurrection and post-mortem retribution, which early Christianity and Islam later expanded into eternal fire and torment (such as Gehenna or Jahannam).
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I have given you examples of animals showing a sense of morality and self awareness. Scientific examples. If you want to ignore that evidence and carry on thinking that we have dominion over 'dumb' animals because the Bible says so, carry on.
I’m not afraid of an end point; it’s just that Jesus offers eternal life. Is there something specific about Christianity you disagree with, or are you just unconvinced that God exists?Why are Christians so afraid of life having an end point? Why must one live forever when one didn't exist for billions of years and seemed to not suffer from it?
Non-existence is not to be feared. It's a return to the experience we all had before we were born. Which is to say, no experience at all. Why is everyone so frightened of this? I don't get it.
@Mancunian
I don't know whether a God exists or has existed that's why I'm agnostic. I don't believe that a God exists now, that's why I'm an atheist.
On Christiansity..
The offer of eternal life is based on belief and repentance and not on how you live your life. To me this is totally wrong...
Good people who have lived good lives perish because of a lack of belief. People who have lived bad lives and hurt people, sometimes in the worst ways can be saved?
No thanks, I'll pass up that invitation.
Everything didn't come from nothing. I don't like the big bang theory, it doesn't make sense to me... If that was the case, the laws of physics and mathematics would have to be in capsulated in the singularity.
That would still leave the question about who or what put them there.
That would still leave the question about who or what put them there.
soberxp
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**You simply don't believe that the words of the Bible are a matter of science. Aside from water, most of the elements that make up the human body are the same elements found in the soil. If you have studied some of the topics researched by Christians, you would understand this.**
**Consistency in element types:** Multiple Christian sources (including *The Watchtower* articles and systematic theology works) point out that the chemical elements that make up the human body are also present in the earth's crust. For example, citing scientific authorities, one systematic theology document lists 16 elements found in soil (such as calcium, carbon, c
rine, fluorine, hydrogen, iodine, iron, magnesium, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, potassium, silicon, sodium, sulfur, etc.) that can be found in the human body. Another article published in the *Brazilian Journal of Technology* also mentions that scientists have observed identical chemical elements in clay and the human body, and subsequent research has even expanded this number to 26.**Similarity in proportions:** Some apologetic articles further point out that it is not just the types of elements; there is also a correlation between the elemental abundance in the human body and that of the earth's crust. For example, some articles state that oxygen is the most abundant element in the earth's crust, making up about 65% of the human body; carbon is abundant in topsoil, making up about 18% of the human body; and hydrogen makes up about 10%. A study also observed that clay/soil models... *
**And the fact that the woman was formed from Adam's rib and flesh is also a true event. This part goes beyond what current scientific methods can prove, so it is very difficult to verify it with existing science.**
In the reverse. I'm unsure if God exists, although I'm certainly open to the idea. With regards to Christianity, I find all of the miracles strain credulity.
What are your thoughts on the universe being a simulation?
Different Proportions make up none physical matter.**You simply don't believe that the words of the Bible are a matter of science. Aside from water, most of the elements that make up the human body are the same elements found in the soil. If you have studied some of the topics researched by Christians, you would understand this.**
**Consistency in element types:** Multiple Christian sources (including *The Watchtower* articles and systematic theology works) point out that the chemical elements that make up the human body are also present in the earth's crust. For example, citing scientific authorities, one systematic theology document lists 16 elements found in soil (such as calcium, carbon, c
**Similarity in proportions:** Some apologetic articles further point out that it is not just the types of elements; there is also a correlation between the elemental abundance in the human body and that of the earth's crust. For example, some articles state that oxygen is the most abundant element in the earth's crust, making up about 65% of the human body; carbon is abundant in topsoil, making up about 18% of the human body; and hydrogen makes up about 10%. A study also observed that clay/soil models... *
**And the fact that the woman was formed from Adam's rib and flesh is also a true event. This part goes beyond what current scientific methods can prove, so it is very difficult to verify it with existing science.**
While Earth's crust is dominated by elements like iron (~35%), oxygen (~30%), silicon (~15%), and magnesium (~13%).
The human body is roughly 99% composed of just six elements:
Oxygen: 65% (largely via water)
Carbon: 18.5% (the backbone of organic molecules)
Hydrogen: 9.5% (found in water and organic compounds)
Nitrogen: 2.6%–3.2% (part of proteins and DNA)
Calcium: 1.3% (bones and teeth)
Phosphorus: 0.6% (DNA and energy transfer)
Trace Minerals: The body also requires tiny amounts of "earth" minerals like iron, zinc, sodium, potassium, and magnesium.
So we are not made from mud.
What if it is a simulation? Would that make a difference on how you're living your life? Maybe it is a simulation, maybe it isn't who knows? We play with the cards that we are given.
Right.
Nothing can come forward out of nothingness, so there always has been something, so that's a given.
AI about the chances of possible life in the Universe, the so called fine tuned Universe for life.
Physicist Sir Roger Penrose calculated the precision required for the universe's initial conditions—specifically its low entropy state at the Big Bang—as a probability of roughly \(\frac{1}{10^{10^{123}}}\) (or 1 in \(10^{10^{123}}\)). [1, 2]
Key Details of Penrose’s Calculation
- What it measures: Penrose did not calculate the chance of biological evolution happening by random chemistry on a planet; rather, he quantified the extraordinary precision needed in the gravitational phase space (initial entropy) of the early universe so that it wouldn't immediately collapse into a black hole or lack the capacity to form stars and galaxies. [1, 2]
- The Number (\(10^{10^{123}}\)): This figure means the Creator (or physical process) had to hit an absurdly tiny volume of phase space out of all possible initial configurations. The number of zeroes (10¹²³) vastly exceeds the total number of subatomic particles in the entire observable universe (estimated around 10⁸⁰ to 10⁹²). [1]
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Okay so knowing that, why on earth would you accept the word of superstitious people as the truth about the creator?
I really don't get it.
Tell you a super natural miracle without credulity, it really happen and I called it -
The hand of God
It was 1979, we just moved to a new house in Deventer, at the time we had 2daughters one of 3 and 1 of year old. At some point my wife lost sight of
the oldest one. She had crossed the road (the yellow brush) and entered a
field of grass which after 5-6 meters suddenly so sharply went down
that no 3 year old kid could keep the balance and it would fall into
the pond that came directly after that. And so it happened our 3 year old
daughter tumbled into the pond (the blue brush).
But that was not all, the dividing height between the water and the grass was so
high (25-30 cm) and precipitous that any adult would have had a hard time
climbing out the pond, for a 3 year old child that was impossible and of course
on that age kids can't swim. The blue brush.
The woman next door (the orange brush) on the second floor so she could see all)
was cleaning her bedroom and she saw my little one crossing the road. She kept
looking and saw our little one lose the balance and tumble into the pond.
In panic she ran down the stairs, crossed the road on her way to get my daughter
out of the water, it took here 30-40 seconds to arrive. However when she arrived
on the field of grass (the yellow brush) she saw my little one standing on her
feet on the field of grass her clothes were dripping wet all over.
When the neighbor woman arrived she asked my little one, "how did you get out
of the water?". To the astonishment of the neighbor woman my daughter replied,
"There was a hand that took me, lifted me up and put me here".
The neighbor woman looked around from who that hand could have been but
nobody was around, not in the wide vista. That was no big surprise as it was a
place nobody ever came in the first place.
The neighbor woman brought my little one home and told us the story, after the
shock of the experience our curiosity awakened and we asked our little one
several times, "who took you out of the water?", but my daughter kept repeating
there was nobody and that a hand took here, lifted her up and put her on the dry.
Needless to say we were most thankful and that praying for the protecting of our
little ones wasn't a case of unnecessary luxury.
Everybody are invited to look at the place for yourself, it is still in its original
state after all these years.
RLT63
Well-Known Member
Because Jesus did. (Matthew 19:4-5 and Mark 10:6-7), Jesus quoted Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:24, stating: "From the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female,' and 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife.'" [1, 2]
Riven you do not know the power of God. Human minds are limited in their understanding. The power of God isn't limited.
I've experienced the power of God a few times during my life. And the power of God saved my mother's life too.
I don't place my faith on experiences but just mention these things since you seem to have doubts.
soberxp
Well-Known Member
The elemental composition of soil is highly complex and can generally be divided by content into **major elements** (relatively high content, usually >0.1%) and **trace elements** (relatively low content, usually <0.1%). Below is a detailed list based on scientific data.
### Major Elements
These elements form the bulk of soil minerals and have the highest content. Among them, oxygen (O) and silicon (Si) together typically account for more than half of the soil mass.
| Element | Symbol | Typical Content/Characteristics in Soil |
| :--- | :--- | :--- |
| **Oxygen** | O | Highest content, accounting for about **49.0%** of soil mass |
| **Silicon** | Si | Second highest, accounting for about **33.0%**, primarily existing as quartz and silicate minerals |
| **Aluminum** | Al | Accounting for about **7.1%**, a key component of clay minerals |
| **Iron** | Fe | Accounting for about **4.0%**, affects soil color (e.g., red soil) |
| **Calcium** | Ca | Wide range, median value about **24,000 mg/kg**, an essential element for plants |
| **Potassium** | K | Median value about **15,000 mg/kg**, crucial for plant growth |
| **Magnesium** | Mg | Accounting for about **0.5%**, core element of c
rophyll || **Sodium** | Na | Accounting for about **0.5%**, excess causes soil salinization |
| **Titanium** | Ti | Common associated element, frequently detected in agricultural soils |
| **Carbon** | C | Exists as organic matter, median value about **25,000 mg/kg**, core of soil fertility |
| **Nitrogen** | N | Mainly exists as organic nitrogen, a key limiting factor for plant growth |
| **Phosphorus** | P | Relatively low median content, an essential nutrient element for plants |
| **Sulfur** | S | Essential secondary element for plants, participates in protein synthesis |
### Trace and Micro Elements
These elements are present in very low amounts in soil but can have significant impacts on plants, microorganisms, or human health. Some of them are **essential trace elements for plants**.
**Essential trace elements for plants** include:
* **Iron (Fe)**, **Manganese (Mn)**, **Zinc (Zn)**, **Copper (Cu)**, **Boron (B)**, **Molybdenum (Mo)**, **C
rine (Cl)**, and **Nickel (Ni)**. Although required in extremely small amounts, they are indispensable and participate in various enzymatic reactions within plants.**Other trace elements commonly present in soil** include (content in mg/kg, data representing soil median values or typical ranges):
* **Fluorine (F)**: Median value about **430** mg/kg
* **Barium (Ba)**: Median value about **580** mg/kg
* **Strontium (Sr)**: Often coexists with calcium
* **Vanadium (V)**: Widely distributed in soil
* **Chromium (Cr)**: Median value about **54** mg/kg
* **Cobalt (Co)**: Median value about **9.1** mg/kg
* **Arsenic (As)**: Median value about **7.2** mg/kg
* **Selenium (Se)**: Extremely low content, but has important antioxidant functions for organisms
* **Iodine (I)**: Median value about **1.2** mg/kg
* **Bromine (Br)**: Median value about **0.85** mg/kg
### Rare Earth Elements (REEs)
Soil universally contains all rare earth elements, but in extremely low contents (usually at ppm levels or lower). Their geochemical behaviors are similar and they are often studied as a whole. They mainly include:
* **Lanthanides**: **Lanthanum (La)**, **Cerium (Ce)**, **Praseodymium (Pr)**, **Neodymium (Nd)**, **Promethium (Pm)**, **Samarium (Sm)**, **Europium (Eu)**, **Gadolinium (Gd)**, **Terbium (Tb)**, **Dysprosium (Dy)**, **Holmium (Ho)**, **Erbium (Er)**, **Thulium (Tm)**, **Ytterbium (Yb)**, **Lutetium (Lu)**.
* In addition, **Yttrium (Y)** and **Scandium (Sc)** are also often included in the study of rare earth elements.
###
Heavy Metal Elements"Heavy metals" is a classification based on density. Some of these elements are essential micronutrients for plants (such as Zn, Cu), while others pose potential ecological risks. In soil environmental research, the heavy metals (and metalloids) of frequent concern include:
**Cadmium (Cd)**, **Chromium (Cr)**, **Arsenic (As)**, **Mercury (Hg)**, **Lead (Pb)**, **Copper (Cu)**, **Zinc (Zn)**, and **Nickel (Ni)**. The background contents of these elements in soil vary greatly depending on soil parent material and human activities.
### Summary
In summary, the elemental composition of soil is framed by major crustal elements such as **oxygen, silicon, aluminum, and iron**, while simultaneously containing various **macro- and micro-nutrients** essential for life, as well as a wide variety of **rare earth and heavy metal elements** present in extremely small amounts. Their specific contents vary significantly depending on parent rock, climate, biological activity, and human influence.
Your rejection of God is probably due to the lifestyles of your children. Rather than to think of them denying the Lord and suffering the end result...you instead deny God's existence and try to ease your mind.
This is from your welcome center post in August:
"Just to add.
I know that the vast majority of Christians don't agree that homosexuality's natural and IS an abomination/ sinful and I've come across a lot of derogatory comments about the likes of my son both online and sometimes face to face.
As for my other son who is transgender, can I just tell you that the discrimination that he has faced it quite frankly disgusting.
These people are human beings with feelings and deserve not to have their self-esteem destroyed by people who think that they are somehow superior.
I'm sad to say that I had some pretty stupid opinions on the subjects but I'm glad that admitting that I was wrong has helped to not rip my family apart."
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