Speaking in tongues?

[Biblica]

Well, you are full of self righteousness. You don't know me but you pass judgment on my relationship with Christ.
I was charismatic for 10 years and then God opened Scripture to me.
I am not deceived by charismata anymore.
You prove you are self righteous not by how you judged MY relationship but then you CONFIRM your self righteous attitudes toward others by pridefully passing judgment on another man's WIFE.
And the clincher is that not once did you even attempt to quote Scripture in defense of your ungodliness.
1 Corinthians 14:22 has apparently been cut out of your Bible.
Tongues are for a sign to.....them that believe not.
You are in disobedience.

I have been in fulltime ministry in the churches for over 26 years. What I have said is based on personal experience. Intimacy with God scares a lot of people. I am not charismatic, I am Pentecostal because God chose to baptize me with the Holy Spirit. I can understand why you would want to leave the Charismatic movement because there is a lot of error in their doctrine, but if you were legitimately baptized with the Holy Spirit and knowingly rejected the Spirit, that is a spiritually dangerous place to be, so I doubt that you had ever experienced the Baptism. As far as the pastor's wife was concerned, we were discussing intimacy with God and she was vehemently opposed to it. It is not a matter of judging, it was observation of her behavior. Moses said that God wanted all men to be prophets Numbers 11:29. That means God wants all people to be filled with His Spirit and to be operating under His direction.
Tongues can be used as a sign to unbelievers and also for personal prayer. One of the missionaries said that she could not make any inroads on her mission field until she walked the town praying in tongues. Then she had her breakthrough. But as I said in my previous post, the major sign that results in the most conversions is healing. I think you are judging me. And I never passed judgment on your relationship with Christ, I wasn't even addressing you. One of the things that God whispered to me through His Spirit is this, "Never stop seeking Me, even after You find Me, there is always more." So even if you think you have a relationship with God, we should never stop seeking Him and desiring more of Him and more of His control in our lives. The people who resist the Spirit and refuse a deeper walk with Him are the ones who are in disobedience. Keep growing in grace.

 

[Biblica]

It was worth the year I spent at Fuller Seminary in Pasadena just for priviledge of 2 chances to witness a Kathryn Kuhlman healing crusade. When she lay dying, the odor of roses in her hospital room was so strong that it could be still smelled aross the street from the hospital.

Here is a really good video about Kathryn Kuhlman. She was a very humble lady.

 

[Dryhn]

not only was this katheryn decieved but was a key player IN THE DECEPTOIN .
Dont judge ol amigo too harshly for calling her out as a total wolf in wool .
Nor that i am so gra ve in doing so .

Thnx adc.
When someone claims miraculous gifts, I simply ask for the proof not just words :)

 

[Dryhn]

Ever hear of cushings disease?
My dog had it and it is horrible.
A horrible death is the fruit of it.
It is terminal.

I have possibly the only dog on the planet that MIRACULOUSLY recovered supernaturally.

God is bigger than any devil.

God lead me into matt 18:18.
I claimed Matthew 18:18 over her for over 2 months everyday and probably over a 100 times a day.
I went to bat for her and I did not give up.
The only thing I heard from heaven was "stay with it".
And it truly seemed like nothing at all was happening. In fact, she got worse.
One night she lay there breathing heavily. And I knew she was dying, so I called my mother and I told her the bad news. And that we had failed, and I felt she would be dead by in the morning.
At 3:40 in the morning. My dog woke me up and ran to the door wanting to go outside. She jumped off the front porch and didn't even go down the steps and she ran to the back where the farmer has a plowed field, and she ran all around that field for an hour.
100% healed of cushings.

Get this.
The vet would not talk to me.
I went to another vet that knew cushings destructive outcome.
He did not believe me.
I said " i can prove it" do a blood test.
His jaw dropped when he saw it was near perfect.

See how it is? God does things and the skeptics spit on it.

I am opposite of a skeptic. I believe with every fiber God changes things.

BTW, they banned me from the cushings site.
Kicked me off.
Why? They said you give people false hope.

For me my walk with God is a wild ride.
For the skeptic it is status quo. No power.

List any confirmed occurrence where a critically ill baby in hospital recovered within hours of having hands laid on them.
TIA :)

 

[Dryhn]

And Paul said not to quench the Spirit or forbid any to speak with tongues.

Please show the Paul verses regarding QUENCH regarding tongues
Paul gave SPECIFIC teachings & commands regarding tongues
Here's a GREAT teaching which I bet you wont watch

 

[Biblica]

Please show the Paul verses regarding QUENCH regarding tongues
Paul gave SPECIFIC teachings & commands regarding tongues
Here's a GREAT teaching which I bet you wont watch

1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
Why don't you just end the controversy and ask God for the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

 

[JimKnox]

It is true. The gifts and calling cannot be recalled. They can remain inactive through apostasy and disbelief, but they are always there. They are to help people in ministry, but since the majority of Christians are basically pew warmers, the gifts are not being appropriated.

That's nonsense.
A. You have completely ignored what "tongues" actually are: Acts 2.
B. You have ignored the PURPOSE of tongues. 1 Cor 14:22
C. You have TWISTED Scripture for your own glory: Matt 4:1-11
D. You mishandled the words of God to your everlasting shame: 2 Cor 2:17
F. You speak tongues in chaos and confusion in the church: 1 Cor 14: 33-34.

In your self righteousness you accuse they who obey God as being they who are in disbelief and are apostate. Repent of your sorceries.

 

[Biblica]

List any confirmed occurrence where a critically ill baby in hospital recovered within hours of having hands laid on them.
TIA :)

Check out some of the testimonies on this website. https://www.youtube.com/@HeroesOfFaith007

 

[Dryhn]

1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
Why don't you just end the controversy and ask God for the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

HSseal today is ONLY achieved c/- 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 :)

That was quick, which parts of the teachings do you have questions about ?

 

[Biblica]

That's nonsense.
A. You have completely ignored what "tongues" actually are: Acts 2.
B. You have ignored the PURPOSE of tongues. 1 Cor 14:22
C. You have TWISTED Scripture for your own glory: Matt 4:1-11
D. You mishandled the words of God to your everlasting shame: 2 Cor 2:17
F. You speak tongues in chaos and confusion in the church: 1 Cor 14: 33-34.

In your self righteousness you accuse they who obey God as being they who are in disbelief and are apostate. Repent of your sorceries.

Have you ever spoken in tongues? You said you were Charismatic. Did you ever have the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

 

[Dryhn]

Check out some of the testimonies on this website. https://www.youtube.com/@HeroesOfFaith007

In that case it will be easy for you to list MANY OCCURENCES where today a critically ill baby in hospital fully recovered within hours of having hands laid on them, please list one TIA :)

 

[Dryhn]

Have you ever spoken in tongues? You said you were Charismatic. Did you ever have the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

Did you ever have the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 -- thankyou

I'm happy to discuss TONGUES with you after you watch this.
That way we can both learn :)

 

[JimKnox]

I have been in fulltime ministry in the churches for over 26 years. What I have said is based on personal experience. Intimacy with God scares a lot of people. I am not charismatic, I am Pentecostal because God chose to baptize me with the Holy Spirit. I can understand why you would want to leave the Charismatic movement because there is a lot of error in their doctrine, but if you were legitimately baptized with the Holy Spirit and knowingly rejected the Spirit, that is a spiritually dangerous place to be, so I doubt that you had ever experienced the Baptism. As far as the pastor's wife was concerned, we were discussing intimacy with God and she was vehemently opposed to it. It is not a matter of judging, it was observation of her behavior. Moses said that God wanted all men to be prophets Numbers 11:29. That means God wants all people to be filled with His Spirit and to be operating under His direction.
Tongues can be used as a sign to unbelievers and also for personal prayer. One of the missionaries said that she could not make any inroads on her mission field until she walked the town praying in tongues. Then she had her breakthrough. But as I said in my previous post, the major sign that results in the most conversions is healing. I think you are judging me. And I never passed judgment on your relationship with Christ, I wasn't even addressing you. One of the things that God whispered to me through His Spirit is this, "Never stop seeking Me, even after You find Me, there is always more." So even if you think you have a relationship with God, we should never stop seeking Him and desiring more of Him and more of His control in our lives. The people who resist the Spirit and refuse a deeper walk with Him are the ones who are in disobedience. Keep growing in grace.

Classic CHARISMATIC response.

I don't care if you are Pentecostal, Oneness Pentecostal, Assembly of God, Foursquare or Goofey and Pluto ministering at the First Holiness Church of the Ridgid Fridgid. You are wrong.

I am not going to play "one up" with you. You glory in your flesh and call it the Holy Ghost; not a wise practice but that is between you and the Lord at the Judgement Seat of Christ.

I don't care if you have been "pastoring" for 75 years. You are wrong. The Nazarene Church got its start because they rejected your nonsense.

There is no such thing as "more" of Christ. We are COMPLETE in HIM. Colossians 2: 8-12.

It is not I who "judgeth" you, it is the words of God.

(Edit: FYI, Charismatic is the term used by theologians worldwide to describe the collection of churches who practice that tongues nonsense. I surrendered to Christ, was immersed in water and "got the hully gust" in a UPC in the mountains of Idaho. I followed that nonsense [tie-my-bow-tie] for ten years as I stated earlier. Again you make self righteous assumptions so you can glory in your flesh over others)

 

[Biblica]

HSseal today is ONLY achieved c/- 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 :)

That is correct. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit when we receive Jesus for our sanctification. After His resurrection Jesus breathed His Spirit upon His disciples. John 20:22. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is for gifting for ministry. They are two different operations.

The Apostle Paul was teaching how tongues are to be ministered within the context of an organized gathering. All the gifts should be done in order. People who have the Holy Spirit are directed by the Spirit and speak as they are prompted by the Spirit within the context of their personal ministries. The pastor in the video does not make that distinction. Also it strikes me as funny, you have a pastor who has never had the baptism of the Holy Spirit speaking on a subject he has had no personal experience with.

 

[Dryhn]

That is correct. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit when we receive Jesus for our sanctification. After His resurrection Jesus breathed His Spirit upon His disciples. John 20:22. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is for gifting for ministry. They are two different operations.

The Apostle Paul was teaching how tongues are to be ministered within the context of an organized gathering. All the gifts should be done in order. People who have the Holy Spirit are directed by the Spirit and speak as they are prompted by the Spirit within the context of their personal ministries. The pastor in the video does not make that distinction. Also it strikes me as funny, you have a pastor who has never had the baptism of the Holy Spirit speaking on a subject he has had no personal experience with.

John is not my Apostle, Paul is :)
Acts 9:15
Rom 11:13
Rom 15:16
1 Tim 2:7
Gal 2:7-9 ALL the Apsotles inc John agreed

If you want to discuss tongues with me then please watch this first :)

 

[JimKnox]

1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
Why don't you just end the controversy and ask God for the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

It is the pinnacle of presumption to ASK for a gift.

 

[Biblica]

Classic CHARISMATIC response.

I don't care if you are Pentecostal, Oneness Pentecostal, Assembly of God, Foursquare or Goofey and Pluto ministering at the First Holiness Church of the Ridgid Fridgid. You are wrong.

I am not going to play "one up" with you. You glory in your flesh and call it the Holy Ghost; not a wise practice but that is between you and the Lord at the Judgement Seat of Christ.

I don't care if you have been "pastoring" for 75 years. You are wrong. The Nazarene Church got its start because they rejected your nonsense.

There is no such thing as "more" of Christ. We are COMPLETE in HIM. Colossians 2: 8-12.

It is not I who "judgeth" you, it is the words of God.

I guess you have all of Jesus you want. Suit yourself. I know for a fact that I have grown in the Lord and He is closer now than when I first received him. And because I am always seeking for more of Him, He will continue to bless me with more of His sweet presence. I know the difference between the flesh and the Spirit and it is the Spirit's job to diminish the flesh and increase His Spirit. We are complete in Christ and even though we are, we are still told to grow in grace II Peter 3:18. As believers we are called to be conformed into the image of Christ and that is a life long process. Jesus was completely filled with the Spirit and operated as a Spirit-filled man when He was on earth. That is what we are called to emulate.

 

[Biblica]

Gal 2:7-9 ALL the Apsotles inc John agreed

John, Peter and James were the "Pillars." They established the foundational doctrine. They were not theologians, Paul was the theologian who got into the nuts and bolts of doctrine, so to speak. But for simple foundational refreshment I always resort to the Pillars.

 

[Dryhn]

John, Peter and James were the "Pillars." They established the foundational doctrine. They were not theologians, Paul was the theologian who got into the nuts and bolts of doctrine, so to speak. But for simple foundational refreshment I always resort to the Pillars.

Gal 2:7-9
Who are you & who teaches you the gospel ?
ez question to answer :)

 

[Biblica]

It is the pinnacle of presumption to ASK for a gift.

You have to have humility to ask for anything. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a real experience. Some of the great revivalists asked God for the baptism and the result was massive salvations. The baptism is meant for equipping for ministry. If you don't have a ministry, then you don't need it, but the infilling of the Spirit makes you closer to God, if that is what you want. His presence is tangible.